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  Wendetta

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Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 33

I have been in a Banned.

 
OP  9/20/12 5:36:38 PM#1

It is common knowledge in certain circles that if you are a "Freep", ie a VIP player who might drop by the moors to partake in borked PvP, then you are more than allowed to cheat your way to the top.

 

With this mentality, some players have taken it upon themselves to exploit their way into not just PvPing but LotRO's Prized PvE experience as well. And the saddest joke that comes out from this is that, Turbine/Time Warner doesnt want to confess to having a problem nor even acknowledge it. 

If you are a LotRO player, and know what the stats: Block, Parry, Evade, Finesse, Resistance, Mitigations, etc mean then you`d know what a boost these stats give you when you stack em up high. Now imagine, stacking up on EVERY ONE of these stats uptil the fixed limit. You are bassically left with a god-mode character that is capable of solo tanking entire creep raids or soloing group intances without breaking a sweat regardless of the class (not talking bout wardens or minis doing this without exploiting, thats another whole can of worms Im not gonna talk about).

 

 

This thread was made in respone to another thread that the mods closed and deleted without providing any explanation. 

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?478088-Stat-exploits-fixed-2.0

This thread has also been locked without getting any reply from the blue names.

 

 

To get an idea of how broken the exploited characters are, here is a pic to show you the lights:

 

 

Taken from the thread: 

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?478776-minnie-stat-exploiting

 

 

Turbine MAY or MAY NOT be able to fix this with the coming expansion, but this exploit is alive and kicking as of now on the live servers. But they dont want you, their precious customers / potential customers, to know this. And that folks is a slap to the face of any customer, to be treated with such contempt that the devs dont even acknowledge the existance of such a game breaking exploit. Decide for yourself, if this company and game deserve your money.

How far has Turbine fallen from what it used to be...Anyone remembers their motto, Powered By Fans...?

Proud Member of the A.F-D-A. [Anti Fanboy-Defense-Army]Association for a Better Tomorrow or [A.F-D-A.]AfaBT, in short.

  Izik

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/13/04
Posts: 110

9/20/12 5:40:55 PM#2

I'm sure they'll get around to fixing it before RoR. Tbh dude if people are playing Lotro for pvp then they are playing the wrong game. Possibly some of the worst pvp on the market in this game :/ So many other games do it better. Not that that's any excuse for this exploit to fly, but I really don't think pvp is a priority for Turbine.

  FrodoFragins

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2796

9/20/12 5:42:53 PM#3

That bug still exists?  LOL.

 

LOTRO is running on a skeleton crew at this point.  It has to be a really tough environment for the devs to push out mandatory yearly expansions and fix bugs.

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

9/20/12 5:46:08 PM#4
Originally posted by Izik

I'm sure they'll get around to fixing it before RoR. Tbh dude if people are playing Lotro for pvp then they are playing the wrong game. Possibly some of the worst pvp on the market in this game :/ So many other games do it better. Not that that's any excuse for this exploit to fly, but I really don't think pvp is a priority for Turbine.

True- The PVP is abysmal-

But I think the OP is saying the PVP exploit can be taken across to your PVE toon- I think....

  FrodoFragins

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2796

9/20/12 5:48:11 PM#5
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Izik

I'm sure they'll get around to fixing it before RoR. Tbh dude if people are playing Lotro for pvp then they are playing the wrong game. Possibly some of the worst pvp on the market in this game :/ So many other games do it better. Not that that's any excuse for this exploit to fly, but I really don't think pvp is a priority for Turbine.

True- The PVP is abysmal-

But I think the OP is saying the PVP exploit can be taken across to your PVE toon- I think....

Freeps are your PVE toon.  It's the creeps(monsters) that can't leave the moors.

  Uhwop

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1693

9/20/12 5:48:55 PM#6

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

9/20/12 5:52:50 PM#7
Originally posted by Uhwop

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

This is how things get fixed-

Your line of reasoning is soooooo backword. You expose the problem until its fixed. Sometimes a company will ONLY fix things once the problems become public.

  squalleonaha

Novice Member

Joined: 1/08/07
Posts: 213

9/20/12 6:16:49 PM#8
Originally posted by Uhwop

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

Kids are alway think of covering their mistake instead of solving it.

if you cover up a disease, it'll spread out and kill everyone. but if you let people know, they'll at least be able to prevent it while searching for a cure.

people who already exploire will keep doing it. new players not gonna run to a 10 years old game so they can exploire. so not much damage will be done when OP post the problem out. the gains is that this problem will be discuss by community and spread out, eventualy force/make turbin work on a fix for it.

  FrodoFragins

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2796

9/20/12 6:17:12 PM#9
Originally posted by Uhwop

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

Is it the first rule when you join Exploit Club?

 

This exploit has been public for quite a while.  At some point, exploits need to be made public when the developer ignores them.  Sometimes it's the only way to get them fixed.

  fenistil

Novice Member

Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

9/20/12 6:19:45 PM#10
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

That bug still exists?  LOL.

 

LOTRO is running on a skeleton crew at this point.  It has to be a really tough environment for the devs to push out mandatory yearly expansions and fix bugs.

Yeah. I imagine they are under alot of pressure. Especially that Lotro is bleeding players. 

WB-Turbine eggs are in new under-development also-for consoles mmo and Lotro is left to make enough money until new mmo is ready.

  Uhwop

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1693

9/20/12 6:24:33 PM#11
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Uhwop

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

This is how things get fixed-

Your line of reasoning is soooooo backword. You expose the problem until its fixed. Sometimes a company will ONLY fix things once the problems become public.

 This isn't the official forums, it has zero impact on getting anything fixed.  It only brings something to light that most people here had no clue about. 

Game studios don't like posts about this things made outside of bug forums because it exposes it to more people then they'd like it be exposed to as well.  You're behaiving like Turbine is the only company that deletes posts like these and they aren't, and for exactly the reason I posted.

 

BTW, you just use the exact same excuse that the people who use the exploits use. 

  Torvaldr

Elite Member

Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 6100

9/20/12 6:32:36 PM#12
Just stop playing this game.  Turbine is a sham company and the game has turned into an embarrassing mess.  There are better games out there for any single aspect of the game you like whether it's the environment, the pve, the pvp, or the community.

Curse you AquaScum!

  MisatoTremor

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/10/03
Posts: 69

9/20/12 7:00:15 PM#13
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

That bug still exists?  LOL.

 

LOTRO is running on a skeleton crew at this point.  It has to be a really tough environment for the devs to push out mandatory yearly expansions and fix bugs.

Yeah. I imagine they are under alot of pressure. Especially that Lotro is bleeding players. 

WB-Turbine eggs are in new under-development also-for consoles mmo and Lotro is left to make enough money until new mmo is ready.

I imagine they keep it in maintenance until "The Hobbit" will be pouring in hordes of new players. At least I wouldn't be surprised if WB thinks so.

Lets bet how well this will go. :D

Misato - TankDoc for Life

  RoyalPhunk

Novice Member

Joined: 1/11/11
Posts: 181

9/20/12 7:04:52 PM#14
All I ever hear is bad crap relating to Turbine. Despite internet poasters primarily being negative and douchy, I had expected to hear something good every now and then from the Lotro camp. Glad I never touched it. This thread could easily be an EA thread or sounds like one.
  donjuanagain

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Joined: 3/16/11
Posts: 139

9/20/12 7:06:49 PM#15
So how do you do this then?
  Tokken

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Posts: 943

"I'm your Huckleberry!"

9/20/12 7:09:41 PM#16
Originally posted by Wendetta

It is common knowledge in certain circles that if you are a "Freep", ie a VIP player who might drop by the moors to partake in borked PvP, then you are more than allowed to cheat your way to the top.

 

With this mentality, some players have taken it upon themselves to exploit their way into not just PvPing but LotRO's Prized PvE experience as well. And the saddest joke that comes out from this is that, Turbine/Time Warner doesnt want to confess to having a problem nor even acknowledge it. 

If you are a LotRO player, and know what the stats: Block, Parry, Evade, Finesse, Resistance, Mitigations, etc mean then you`d know what a boost these stats give you when you stack em up high. Now imagine, stacking up on EVERY ONE of these stats uptil the fixed limit. You are bassically left with a god-mode character that is capable of solo tanking entire creep raids or soloing group intances without breaking a sweat regardless of the class (not talking bout wardens or minis doing this without exploiting, thats another whole can of worms Im not gonna talk about).

 

 

This thread was made in respone to another thread that the mods closed and deleted without providing any explanation. 

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?478088-Stat-exploits-fixed-2.0

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  SaintPhilip

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9/20/12 7:53:41 PM#17
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Uhwop

Funny thing is, the OP is doing more harm then the people that use the exploit. 

Congratulatins for letting people who didn't know there was such an exploit know, so that they can come to the game and use it.  Ever think that maybe, just maybe, this is why they don't want you talking about it on the official forums and why they aren't openly talking about it themselves?  To minimize the number of people who are aware of it until such a time as they're able to fix it. 

Nope, there's always a few people who think they're ahead of the game and figured out that the big bad video game company is running a cover up because they don't care, then sperg about the issue all over various forums so that even more people are aware that such an issue exists.

Good job OP.  There's a reason you're not allowed to discuss exploits.

This is how things get fixed-

Your line of reasoning is soooooo backword. You expose the problem until its fixed. Sometimes a company will ONLY fix things once the problems become public.

 This isn't the official forums, it has zero impact on getting anything fixed.  It only brings something to light that most people here had no clue about. 

Game studios don't like posts about this things made outside of bug forums because it exposes it to more people then they'd like it be exposed to as well.  You're behaiving like Turbine is the only company that deletes posts like these and they aren't, and for exactly the reason I posted.

 

BTW, you just use the exact same excuse that the people who use the exploits use. 

Man you really are too much. =P

No, you make it opublic in places Turbine (in this case) has no control over locking/deleting/hiding the issue. You take it outside their control until they are forced to fix it (or not).

This is why services such as "rip off reports" can be so valuable- (although I am not saying this entails a "rip off") to publicly shame a company and make waves outside of their sphere of influence when they fail to deliver.

If you are getting nowhere on the IOfficial Forums, taking it here is the next step-

  Karteli

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9/20/12 8:13:08 PM#18

Turbine is right up there with EA now.  EA is a bunch of liers who cover up and dismantle all their mistakes to spin them positively.

It's unfortunatate that LotR has seen such misbehavior by dev's.

 

I suppose some would say they hit the big league ... but I frown on them.

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  Loktofeit

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9/20/12 8:17:46 PM#19
Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Man you really are too much. =P

No, you make it opublic in places Turbine (in this case) has no control over locking/deleting/hiding the issue. You take it outside their control until they are forced to fix it (or not).

This is why services such as "rip off reports" can be so valuable- (although I am not saying this entails a "rip off") to publicly shame a company and make waves outside of their sphere of influence when they fail to deliver.

If you are getting nowhere on the IOfficial Forums, taking it here is the next step-

You're doing great! I can tell you for a fact the difference you are making.

To start, they probably already are working on something, however no dev will ever say "Hey, for those that didnt know yet, there's this issue that really needs to be fixed because it gives a big advantage. We're trying to solve it and will implement a fix soon," because that just triggers a wave of people trying to drink from the golden well before the flow is shut off.

Forget about the extra work you are creating for the entire CS team and the nonsense you help to put the PR team through,

  • - you exacerbate the short term effects of the problem by driving more people to the exploit
  • - you contribute to a Fix Now scenario rather than the more optimal Fix Right scenario
  • - you further damage your server community or economy (whichever exploit x is affecting) by accelerating the rate of damage that gets done long term

As someone who has been through this crap multiple times over the past decade and a half as a journalist, site manager and dev, I can tell you for a fact you are making a difference - you are making a bigger mess for the developer and you are creating more problems for an entire game community.

 

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

You more than lkely won't get feedback from many of those approaches. That doesn't mean they didn't read it or aren't doing anything. That you don't see or hear about work being done on it doesn't mean they aren't.

 

I know you don't believe a word of this. I know you are convinced you are the stalwart champion of justice here. This message isn't really for you. It's for others so that they can positively help their player community, work toward solutions with the devs, and don't do the same misguided damage that you are doing.

 

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  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

9/20/12 8:26:28 PM#20
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Man you really are too much. =P

No, you make it opublic in places Turbine (in this case) has no control over locking/deleting/hiding the issue. You take it outside their control until they are forced to fix it (or not).

This is why services such as "rip off reports" can be so valuable- (although I am not saying this entails a "rip off") to publicly shame a company and make waves outside of their sphere of influence when they fail to deliver.

If you are getting nowhere on the IOfficial Forums, taking it here is the next step-

You're doing great! I can tell you for a fact the difference you are making.

To start, they probably already are working on something, however no dev will ever say "Hey, for those that didnt know yet, there's this issue that really needs to be fixed because it gives a big advantage. We're trying to solve it and will implement a fix soon," because that just triggers a wave of people trying to drink from the golden well before the flow is shut off.

Forget about the extra work you are creating for the entire CS team and the nonsense you help to put the PR team through,

  • - you exacerbate the short term effects of the problem by driving more people to the exploit
  • - you contribute to a Fix Now scenario rather than the more optimal Fix Right scenario
  • - you further damage your server community or economy (whichever exploit x is affecting) by accelerating the rate of damage that gets done long term

As someone who has been through this crap multiple times over the past decade and a half as a journalist, site manager and dev, I can tell you for a fact you are making a difference - you are making a bigger mess for the developer and you are creating more problems for an entire game community.

 

Some ways to help out in cases like this:

  • - contribute feedback through petitions and bug report systems
  • - work with the devs on the test servers to solve the problem
  • - constructively discuss it on the threads that are allowed. if none, then understand there is a greater reason for that.
  • - report those you see using the bugs
  • - watch for and relay any official announcements on the matter

You more than lkely won't get feedback from many of those approaches. That doesn't mean they didn't read it or aren't doing anything. That you don't see or hear about work being done on it doesn't mean they aren't.

 

I know you don't believe a word of this. I know you are convinced you are the stalwart champion of justice here. This message isn't really for you. It's for others so that they can positively help their player community, work toward solutions with the devs, and don't do the same misguided damage that you are doing.

 

Things are fixed when they are in the open , bathed in light as it were-

Things do not get fixed if they are kept in darkness.

Its just the way it is- As a Journalist your job should have been to bring things to the light (be it Political, VCorpuptiomn, etc.) as the media is the watchdog of the people (unfortunatley its been a lap dog lately)-

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