Originally posted by xpiher

 

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Originally posted by GeezerGamer Exactly who benefits from these changes? The only ones I can think of are players who buy gems since the trade value of gold will go up now.

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Before this change gem prices were steadily increasing. Remember, correlation does not equate to causation. And since the gem to gold ratio is based on supply and demand you may see a spike with speculation, but it will quickly fall after the market evens itself out.

The benefit these changes have is on the game as a whole. You guys are only looking at one side of the picture, the person directly affected. What happens when everyone starts only farming for gold using 10min dungeon runs? What happens to prices? How do new players catch up? Etc Etc

There is more to this than just dungeon runs, but you seem stuck on that point exclusively. 

Originally posted by wowfan1996
To sum it up: GW2 was born on 25-Aug-2012 and murdered on 17-Sep-2012. R.I.P. Was a fun ride while it lasted.

Not really - I like the fact you haven't played the game, give NO constructive comments and are a general troll - It is nice to have an ignore list.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Volkon
We know how you feel. - ArenaNet

I bet they don't.

"One shot, one kill." - Unreal Tournament

 Poor little fella. You're trying too hard.

There are plenty of things wrong with GW2. But truthfully, this isn't one of them.

Anyone crying about this change are the same people that grind one thing in a game to death and then quit a month later because they're bored. Sometimes you HAVE to force gamers to do something else both for their sake and for the sake of the game. Yes, everytime this happens certain players will revolt with the "Don't tell me how to play!" line (seriously I can't count how many times on how many MMOs I've heard this phrase, it is that old and overused).

The biggest mistake GW2 made in this was not having the common sense to see this before hand. How did they not see this is what players would do before they launched the game? It is testing 101; what will players do to get the highest rate of returns? They should have seen this coming and had the restriction in place at launch. However, they should have hidden the restriction the way many MMOs do, because let's face it, often times gamers can be tricked easily. So they should have had low returns on the dungeons/DEs, but then added a completed for the first time today bonus that made them really worth it. That would have players out running the different dungeons and DEs to get all of the bonuses, instead of feeling like they were losing out on the normal rate.

It is the difference between FF and WoW. One puts in the "If you are rested (from not playing for a while) you get a bonus to your earned XP for a period of time". The other did "After playing X amount of time you get a reduced rate of XP". They are essentially IDENTICAL systems. Yet gamers praise the first and despise the second. It is all in the presentation. Call something a bonus and gamers love it, call it a penalty and they hate it.

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Volkon
We know how you feel. - ArenaNet

I bet they don't.

"One shot, one kill." - Unreal Tournament

 Poor little fella. You're trying too hard.

Man..how do you guys do it? bash WOW in one psot and defend GW2 in second? i mean do you even realise the irony here when you call him out a 'troll' or try to hint towards it? do guys ever stop to think that? it blows my mind really how some people are oblivious to the double standards and their own hypocricy? 'yeah he trying too hard'..have you seen your own psoting history lately..jeez!!

I mean i don't agree with wowfan and his style of posting but i don't see how you are any better than him?

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Umm how is running events in the same zone considered farming?

Really, that doesn't even matter as far as I am concerned.  What's wrong with a regular player farming in the first place?  I say nothing.   ArenaNet Management was runniing NCsoft West when Aion was released and they ran that game right into the dirt. They will do the same with GW2.

There is this broken bridge in the NW part of Kessex Hills that gets attacked by centaurs every 10 minutes or so. I hadn't been there for a while but I went through there mining and gathering yesterday. I got there in between attacks and saw about 30 characters there botting... spamming their favorite AOE skill at nothing in particular... at the spot where the centaurs would eventually appear....

It seems to be the routine now for all DEs that you get some people that figure out the spawn point for the incoming mobs and go there to farm them all. If you're actually trying to play the DE as intended, you'll never even see a mob... I saw some of this happening in all zones but it's really noticeable 70+ in Malchor's Leap and Cursed Shore...

So... they're taking some steps to plug the exploit holes that people are exposing for them. Big surprise there.

So yeah, it must be Anet's fault... they're being downright fascist "No farming for you!"

If they had a server with zero asshattery tolerance I'd move my characters there in a flash.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Volkon
We know how you feel. - ArenaNet

I bet they don't.

"One shot, one kill." - Unreal Tournament

 Poor little fella. You're trying too hard.

Man..how do you guys do it? bash WOW in one psot and praise GW2 in second? i mean do you even realise the irony here when you call him out a 'troll' or try to hint towards it? do guys ever stop to think that? it blows my mind really how some people are oblivious to the double standards and their own hypocricy? 'yeah he tryign too ahrd'..have you seen your own psoting history lately..jeez!!

I mean i don't agree with wowfan and his style of posting but i don't see how you are any better than him?

 He cut out my Mark Twain quote. That's unforgivable. Besides, I could bash WoW and praise GW2 in the same spot if I chose. However... the only bashing I'll do of WoW is the simple fact that the treadmill style of gear grind they have simply grew old on me over the years. Once Cataclysm was around the corner I just simply lost the will to grind from 80 to 85 and start the whole treadmill all over again. That's it, it grew old and I needed something new and fresher. For me personally, GW2 is delivering that in excess. Completing a zone last night and getting a couple exotics as rewards... it made the zone feel like it was worth visiting and not simply a place I was passing through in the mad dash to reach the carrot races.

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Originally posted by Jyiiga

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Originally posted by xpiher  

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Originally posted by GeezerGamer Exactly who benefits from these changes? The only ones I can think of are players who buy gems since the trade value of gold will go up now.

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    Before this change gem prices were steadily increasing. Remember, correlation does not equate to causation. And since the gem to gold ratio is based on supply and demand you may see a spike with speculation, but it will quickly fall after the market evens itself out. The benefit these changes have is on the game as a whole. You guys are only looking at one side of the picture, the person directly affected. What happens when everyone starts only farming for gold using 10min dungeon runs? What happens to prices? How do new players catch up? Etc Etc

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There is more to this than just dungeon runs, but you seem stuck on that point exclusively. 

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Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Volkon
We know how you feel. - ArenaNet

I bet they don't.

"One shot, one kill." - Unreal Tournament

 Poor little fella. You're trying too hard.

Man..how do you guys do it? bash WOW in one psot and praise GW2 in second? i mean do you even realise the irony here when you call him out a 'troll' or try to hint towards it? do guys ever stop to think that? it blows my mind really how some people are oblivious to the double standards and their own hypocricy? 'yeah he tryign too ahrd'..have you seen your own psoting history lately..jeez!!

I mean i don't agree with wowfan and his style of posting but i don't see how you are any better than him?

 He cut out my Mark Twain quote. That's unforgivable. Besides, I could bash WoW and praise GW2 in the same spot if I chose. However... the only bashing I'll do of WoW is the simple fact that the treadmill style of gear grind they have simply grew old on me over the years. Once Cataclysm was around the corner I just simply lost the will to grind from 80 to 85 and start the whole treadmill all over again. That's it, it grew old and I needed something new and fresher. For me personally, GW2 is delivering that in excess. Completing a zone last night and getting a couple exotics as rewards... it made the zone feel like it was worth visiting and not simply a place I was passing through in the mad dash to reach the carrot races.

Well atleast you admit you are a hypocrite then. Honesty is rare virtue these days. You can troll WOW forums all you like but you are telling him 'you are trying too hard'..all right.

Originally posted by Xzen
The gold farmers will just use multiple characters and multiple accounts to get around this. The only people it hurts are the normal players that usually only have one character that they play and want to farm for themselves.

But, as has been said of people here, it appears that the anti-farming code doesn't kick in very quickly in zones. If you are cycling DEs in the same small area it might, but after a couple hrs of playing in 1 zone I didn't notice any decrease in rewards for anything I was doing (other than the exp boost from starting your daily). It appears to me a lot of people are complaining about it without testing. 

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Volkon
We know how you feel. - ArenaNet

I bet they don't.

"One shot, one kill." - Unreal Tournament

 Poor little fella. You're trying too hard.

Man..how do you guys do it? bash WOW in one psot and praise GW2 in second? i mean do you even realise the irony here when you call him out a 'troll' or try to hint towards it? do guys ever stop to think that? it blows my mind really how some people are oblivious to the double standards and their own hypocricy? 'yeah he tryign too ahrd'..have you seen your own psoting history lately..jeez!!

I mean i don't agree with wowfan and his style of posting but i don't see how you are any better than him?

 He cut out my Mark Twain quote. That's unforgivable. Besides, I could bash WoW and praise GW2 in the same spot if I chose. However... the only bashing I'll do of WoW is the simple fact that the treadmill style of gear grind they have simply grew old on me over the years. Once Cataclysm was around the corner I just simply lost the will to grind from 80 to 85 and start the whole treadmill all over again. That's it, it grew old and I needed something new and fresher. For me personally, GW2 is delivering that in excess. Completing a zone last night and getting a couple exotics as rewards... it made the zone feel like it was worth visiting and not simply a place I was passing through in the mad dash to reach the carrot races.

Well atleast you admit you are a hypocrite then. Honesty is rare virtue these days. You can troll WOW forums all you like but you are telling him 'you are trying too hard'..all right.

 I suppose I could troll the WoW forums, but I don't. Rarely leave these forums when I'm actually forum surfing.

out of curiosity i checked the price for gold on google websites and wtf it takes me playing the normal way and not exploiting bugs or using bots a shitload of time to gain 1 gold and these guys are selling gold like they got a trilion for dirt cheap ( i am not advertising ) just saying that the op most likely choose one of the above methods , got shitload of cash and now he is back to doing stuff like the rest of us because he can't do those anymore.

So tired of farmers boters or w/e u call them coming crying on forums whit a 2-3h well made story just to bash a company that is actualy doing something to stop these game ruiners

play the game for what it is and have fun , if u want to make money go knock on another door , u got plenty of them out there.

Originally posted by Xzen
The gold farmers will just use multiple characters and multiple accounts to get around this. The only people it hurts are the normal players that usually only have one character that they play and want to farm for themselves.

Nuff' said

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Xzen
The gold farmers will just use multiple characters and multiple accounts to get around this. The only people it hurts are the normal players that usually only have one character that they play and want to farm for themselves.

But, as has been said of people here, it appears that the anti-farming code doesn't kick in very quickly in zones. If you are cycling DEs in the same small area it might, but after a couple hrs of playing in 1 zone I didn't notice any decrease in rewards for anything I was doing (other than the exp boost from starting your daily). It appears to me a lot of people are complaining about it without testing. 

I'm testing it right now. I'm in Orr where a few DEs happen very often. Been at it for an hour at least with out any nerf to my rewards. maybe it only kicks in if you only farm 1 DE over and over? I have noticed my drops got nerfed though which is lame.

The only thing I am learning from this thread is the old adage of "exploit often and exploit first" may just hold true to this game. I see a lack of compassion or even acknowledgement from many over legit players issues with this system. While also seeing a lack of "true" action taken against people running bot programs.

Hell maybe I should just buy a second account, fire up my laptop and bot the ever loving kitten out of this game, cause I don't wish to be monetarily months behind what is potentially a large chunk (even 5% if large in my book) of the player population.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu >.<

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Well atleast you admit you are a hypocrite then. Honesty is rare virtue these days. You can troll WOW forums all you like but you are telling him 'you are trying too hard'..all right.

 I suppose I could troll the WoW forums, but I don't. Rarely leave these forums when I'm actually forum surfing.

same for me - i have issues w all mmos but i rarely debate outside GW2 / EQ2 forums

otherwise

im just posting relevant game news in the appropiate subforum

Originally posted by Draftbeer

Originally posted by Xzen
The gold farmers will just use multiple characters and multiple accounts to get around this. The only people it hurts are the normal players that usually only have one character that they play and want to farm for themselves.

Nuff' said

Not quite enough.... everyone blames these alien gold farmer sub-species for all anti-exploit measures. From what I've seen of DE exploiting, spawn camping and botting, and specially from all the bitching about all the counter-measures I read about here and in the official forums, it ain't just the gold farmers doing it.

Time to wake-up and realize that a big chunk of the MMO playing mainstream are exploiting asshats who ruin games. "Normal Players" may even be an endangered species.

Originally posted by Draftbeer

Originally posted by Xzen
The gold farmers will just use multiple characters and multiple accounts to get around this. The only people it hurts are the normal players that usually only have one character that they play and want to farm for themselves.

Nuff' said

Actually, no.

Is it so hard to simply move from zone to zone? I really don't see the problem (Other than your typical lazy human responses).

That said, I hardly ever get those diminished returns, simply because it is my playstyle. I get the picture though, its a pretty drastic measure against farming and bots, but I really think that all it takes is for players to adapt to it, instead of crying foul and immediately trolling the "GW2 is the 2nd coming" remark :).

Then again, you can't please everyone.