Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by snapfusion

There are so many things that were done poorly in this game I cant believe the things they plan to change or add will be implemented any better than the original ones.

Plus this has to be one of the worst performing game engines I have ever seen.  No matter how much horsepower or graphics processing you through at it it just stumbles along.  That alone makes the game unplayable.

This game should of been flushed, I wonder whos continuing to pour money into it and why.

They've pretty much remade the game from scratch. Only the theme and the graphics engine is same as in the first release. However I had zero issues with the engine running an up-to-date rig. In all honesty S-E has one of the best engines out there and they are constantly developing the luminous engine.

Because the developers are really dedicated to improve the game and there's a huge company behind them I don't see any reason why FFXIV: ARR wouldn't be a massive hit.

S-E is probably the only company to take a failed MMORPG and turned it to a polished gem.

from what iunderstand they actully put a new engine under it

Yes they have. It really isn't the same game.

Originally posted by rutaq

If the game supports old school elements then.... Hell, I'll forgive the lack of PvP just to find a nice challenging group based MMO.

 

I haven't done any research yet so maybe the current FF XI fans can help me answer a couple questions...

 

1)  Can players easily solo their way to max level and not need to rely on other players, like some lame sinlge player PRG / Multiplayer Lobby MMO ?

2)  Are there any type of significant Death penalties besides the standard 2 copper repairs and running 60 seconds back to where you died ?

3)  Are there character classes that have useful unique abiltities that can add to the strength of a well played team/group,  or is everything homogonized so basically all the classes are the same except for the character models ?

4)  Is the character progression well scaled to give you consisent slow progression over 6 month - 1 year playing about 15 hours / week  , or is progression some XP jackpot where everything you do awards XP so fast that you are max level in a matter of a few weeks ?

5)  Are the MOBs and Dungeons challenging , or can you win by just spamming 3 keys while watching TV ?

 

 

 

Sorry for the bump.  

I am sorry if my previous post came off gruff or sarcastic but I honestly want to know more about the game from a fans view.

Can anybody help he out and give me a quick point by point on my 5 questions compared to the current  FFiX 2.0 ?

Thanks....

no i will not try, i bought 2 ffxivgame boxes and i did credit card chargeback on it sent back ffxiv gamebox after playing 10 hours and got my money back.

Square enix tried to rip me off.

Originally posted by Raxeon

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by snapfusion

There are so many things that were done poorly in this game I cant believe the things they plan to change or add will be implemented any better than the original ones.

Plus this has to be one of the worst performing game engines I have ever seen.  No matter how much horsepower or graphics processing you through at it it just stumbles along.  That alone makes the game unplayable.

This game should of been flushed, I wonder whos continuing to pour money into it and why.

They've pretty much remade the game from scratch. Only the theme and the graphics engine is same as in the first release. However I had zero issues with the engine running an up-to-date rig. In all honesty S-E has one of the best engines out there and they are constantly developing the luminous engine.

Because the developers are really dedicated to improve the game and there's a huge company behind them I don't see any reason why FFXIV: ARR wouldn't be a massive hit.

S-E is probably the only company to take a failed MMORPG and turned it to a polished gem.

from what iunderstand they actully put a new engine under it

Yeah, it's a completely new graphics engine, too. It's based off their new Luminous engine, but modified specifically for FFXIV.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Nope.  Bandaids can't cure cancer.

It's more like reconstructive surgery.

Only about 10% of the original game will remain intact. 90% of a game being completely redone can hardly be called a "bandaid".

If the changes aren't compelling or interesting to you, then fine. But to dismiss them as "bandaids" just seems a bit dishonest to me.

I knew FF14 was pants from the beta, but picked it up when it dropped to 4 bucks with no sub. It never really saved itself, but the graphics were great and I love the FF feel, but the UI was just unforgivable.

Having said that, I really like what they are doing with the remake. If they can give it a solid UI then I think this will be a very good MMO.

Been 'knocking doors doors' trying to get into the ps3 beta...Nn luck thus far

No and NO, XIV is a travesty, and a mess. It alienated the XI fans and was a joke to the themepark crowd. They failed to please anyone. The formula was simple to make a long lasting profitable game. All they had to do was make a slightly (I stress slightly) more casual version of XI in a new world with a new story and they would have been rolling in the cash right now. 

Would it have been wow numbers? nope but like XI proved you dont need wow numbers 300-500k subs over multiple years is insanly profitable.  Sometimes these devs out smart themselves.

Originally posted by toddze

No and NO, XIV is a travesty, and a mess. It alienated the XI fans and was a joke to the themepark crowd. They failed to please anyone. The formula was simple to make a long lasting profitable game. All they had to do was make a slightly (I stress slightly) more casual version of XI in a new world with a new story and they would have been rolling in the cash right now. 

Would it have been wow numbers? nope but like XI proved you dont need wow numbers 300-500k subs over multiple years is insanly profitable.  Sometimes these devs out smart themselves.

I would have hung around if they just would have filled the game with content. Now I'll never go back and I will never buy another SE game again.

IMo it all started a number of years ago when Tanaka started to step down and let others make decisions.The Wings of Goddess xpac i believe was the one that rehashed old maps to show their greed and laziness.Then it was kind of odd how Tanaka took all the blame for FFXIV even though he had very little input,he let others make the decisions.He mentioned this in an interview before the game even launched,i was not surprised because following Square as clsoe as i do ,i saw a bigtime change in thinking at Sqaure.

I have not seen many good decisions by Square over the last 4 or so years.The whole Book burn/Leves/Abyssea were brutally bad decisions.I have also noticed there is an incredible amouint of stubborness at Square by the team in charge.Even after an increbily bad luanch,they still tried to stick to their guns and had to completelyu fail and shut down subs .Even now i just see a lot of the same old mistakes but they finished content that was missing from the rushed product.

Bottom line for me is they took a great design in FFXI and turned it into a really bad version and called it FFXIV.I do not see any indication this team "GETS IT",yo usee the same ideas pushed over and over and fact FFXI is pushing yet anotehr Abyssea Xpac proves it.You would think after a large exodus in FFXI and a fail in FFXIV ,that someone there would wake up,but simply put a real STUBBORN team is going to cost Square's MMO vision a lot of money.

IMO it is all about the guy in charge,you need a brilliant mind to oversee projects,without that guy the games wil lbe sub par.A guy like Tanaka will only come around once ina blue moon,the same as i have seen in other genres,the great leaders are few.

We saw  Lord british and John Carmack and his whole stable of games that changed gaming for years.EA became famous for it's sports games.Then we saw Epic games and the Unreal series and their great game engines.We saw the two that started the COD series now a shambles as they left for other ventures.Then we got Smedley who pushed out Eq,then Tanaka that is not a lot of real smart people over a 20 year span.

I cannot give the guys at Blizzard any credit becuase 90% of their design was a direct ripoff of Eq,al lthe ydid was make it easier and more soloable,not hard for anyone to do that really.

I bought the game and hated it so bad that I tried to return it.

I'm out 60 bucks and I'm never playing this crap, I don't care if it turns into the final fantasy 11 with better graphics we all hoped it would be.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I cannot give the guys at Blizzard any credit becuase 90% of their design was a direct ripoff of Eq,al lthe ydid was make it easier and more soloable,not hard for anyone to do that really.

i find it hilarious you post something so large and sneak in a jab at blizzard. We'll just ignore what their founders help make, Lost vikings and rock n roll racing both awesome games. Their RTS games are arguably the best ever and right now WoW is still #1 MMO in the world after 8 years.. this kind of hate is ridiculous.

As for the topic, i'll be trying it. I need an mmo that is fun and hopefully with all of the supposedly hard work going into reborn it might deliver.

Been there, done that, have the scars... No intention of going back.

They squandered their day in the sun, now only hardest of hardcore FF fanatics remain loyal. The rest of us are still recovering from the feeling of betrayal of the FF IP train-wreck that was the FFxiv launch.

I'm one of the few people who bought the game and didn't hate it at launch.

I mean, there were plenty of things I didn't like about it, but there were tons of things I loved about it too.

I managed to have fun for a while.

Since I already own it, I would certainly try it when 2.0 goes live.

I will try it.

But I still have issues with the lie that they told us regarding Final Fantasy being "final" - it never ends! :P

Nope, I wouldn't play it...

After years of devotion to FFXI, PlayOnline seriously screwed me over on subscription fee overcharges and Squenix did nothing except "take it up w/PlayOnline".  After that, I was heartened by the fact that Squenix didn't use PlayOnline for the FFXIV, so I dropped the cash and tried it.  After days of trying to find a good server, and days more trying to find a good guild, it turned out the were a bunch of uptight a-holes :/  Toss in the fact that the game was a horrid trainwreck and I was regretting dropping the cash I did on the game and regretting the prepayment of subscription I made for the game.  Then, when they announced the redesign work, I was heartened again.  The promises they made of the game being free for those that had paid until they were done making the changes was a nice feeling.  So I watched.. and waited... and waited.. and waited...

I guess I was expecting to see "hey, here's the progress so far, come check it out!" to come along.. but it didn't.  All I got was a email from out of the blue saying "We're done and btw, you need to pay again."

Yeah, they sapped the prepayment I had made while they were doing this "it's free while we work" period and I couldn't get in without dropping yet more cash.  Sorry Squenix, I've been with you since FF2 and you've been one of my all time fav companies for a long time... but I can only take so much.

Originally posted by Mannish

I never really played Final Fantasy XIV but I know it failed to be the game that people wanted. So my question is will you try Reborn when it comes out seeing is that its supposed to be the game that the original should have been.

 

Nope, Nil, Nada, Negetory.