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General Discussion  » Is anyone else real mad at SOE ? ( Poll )

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  delete5230

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Joined: 8/15/07
Posts: 2323

 
OP  9/20/12 3:34:28 AM#1

I loved Vanguard.  It's old but I don't care.  Millions of people cycled in and out of the trial Island, many had subscribed for a month only to find a mess.  Reasons being low advertisement, low population, bad coding, no updates.  Take your pick but we all know its all of the above.

Of playing MMO's for over six years I only have a small hand full of enjoyable games : Vanilla WoW, D&D Online before F2P and Vanguard.....I'm sure most of you have a small list of your own, and the rest are trash.

My opinion :

F2P is Vanguard's final nail in the coffin.  For me this is the last straw.  I could never go back now.  I never even attempted to download this F2P crap.  F2P games are short lived last attempts for any mmo.  After all who plays them ?....only F2P band wagon jumpers.  They get what they can for free, then gone when the next one comes out.

Whats wrong with SOE ?.......I would love to drop a microphone in one of there business meetings to find out the real story because I would really like to know what makes them tick, but I can only guess.

 

So here is a poll, Please take your best guess.

Vanguard, Your best guess at the real story

No advertisement policy
EQ2 was there baby
SOE stays clueless on the industry
They can't fix Vanguard
They just don't care about Vanguard
They don't care about any of there mmo's
Big Heads, and they think everyone loves there stuff
all of the above
none of the above
let me see the poll
(login to vote)
  Ozreth

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Joined: 2/26/06
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9/20/12 3:48:14 AM#2
Meh, for every person like you there is a person like me who actually came back because it's free, loves it again and will stick around and probably pay.

http://www.yeoldeblog.net

  UtukuMoon

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Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1103

9/20/12 3:49:04 AM#3
The missinformed ride again lol.So you love Vanguard but you haven't logged into the FTP model but you are sure it's the final nail in the coffin.So to burst your bubble but FTP has bought many more players to the game,the server telon is alive and kicking.FTP has bought many new players to the game,it hasn't been like this since release. You are being stubbern and because of that you are actualky missing a revival in the game.Yes their are a few lag problems but none are game breaking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  delete5230

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Joined: 8/15/07
Posts: 2323

 
OP  9/20/12 4:01:29 AM#4

SOE has three downfalls with all there mmo's

1) Low to no advertisement. Releasing new expansions as if they are new games, thats about the extent.  With Vanguard SOE was stuck....They didn't know what to do.....Vanguard was already a full game.  Justifying an expansion would not work.

2) They don't fix there mmo's, only look ahead.  EQ2 is still a mess to this day, the next expansion may be better but they would not spend resources fixing anything.  The trial Island had to be done for Vanguard, that was about it.  Fixing stuff is out of the question, a big no-can-do.

3) They have a big head.  They still think SOE mmo's are a house hold name like World of Warcraft. The fact is, no one knows unless your a fan of mmo's like us.....Go to work and ask anyone about Vanguard or Everquest.... Your answer will be, " WHAT !!!"

  Voiidiin

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Posts: 709

Soylent green is made from PEOPLE

9/20/12 4:12:07 AM#5

LOL

Umm i have been real mad at SOE since SWG pre-cu.

Vanguard was just another failure that SOE failed on, failed when they first took it over, and fromthe looks of it failed on the new F2P reboot.

Lolipops !

  akiira69

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 516

Need longer quote limits.

9/20/12 4:12:18 AM#6
Originally posted by delete5230

 F2P games are short lived last attempts for any mmo.  After all who plays them ?....only F2P band wagon jumpers.  They get what they can for free, then gone when the next one comes out.

 

RF Online went F2P and is still active, infact RF Online was the first MMO to go from Pay to Play to Free to Play. DDO and LOTRO are also Free to Play and both are still active. When Lineage 2 went Truly Free to Play(their term not mine) the amount of people that came back caused the Game Servers NPC Servers and Account Servers to crash. It also forced NCsoft to open 2 new servers to accomidate the influx of players. Then their is Guild Wars which has always been Free to Play. So your assumption that F2P Games are "short lived last attempts for any mmo" is wrong.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  sadeyx

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Joined: 11/22/06
Posts: 1570

9/20/12 4:12:57 AM#7

oh!   -  its free now ??

 

Yea, I havnt received any notification from soe about it (i had a CE account) and the first I've heard about it is here!

 

Shame, I was going to play it,  but if they arnt advertising then I dont care.  VG needs population, without its just a desert.  (Its a dry heat)

  UtukuMoon

Novice Member

Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1103

9/20/12 5:00:25 AM#8
Originally posted by sadeyx

oh!   -  its free now ??

 

Yea, I havnt received any notification from soe about it (i had a CE account) and the first I've heard about it is here!

 

Shame, I was going to play it,  but if they arnt advertising then I dont care.  VG needs population, without its just a desert.  (Its a dry heat)

 

Lol,did you read my post? The pupulation is thriving since FTP.You dont want to play it thats fine but dont use population as an excuse when the population has risen ten fold since FTP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 4725

9/20/12 5:06:13 AM#9
Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by sadeyx

oh!   -  its free now ??

 

Yea, I havnt received any notification from soe about it (i had a CE account) and the first I've heard about it is here!

 

Shame, I was going to play it,  but if they arnt advertising then I dont care.  VG needs population, without its just a desert.  (Its a dry heat)

 

Lol,did you read my post? The pupulation is thriving since FTP.You dont want to play it thats fine but dont use population as an excuse when the population has risen ten fold since FTP.

if true i can imagine how bad it is... the trouble with F2P is that it often only draws in people who have no real interest in the game itself.. odd as that may sound.. maybe in a few months it will be worth looking at again.. but tbh.. i don't see it.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11358

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

9/20/12 5:10:35 AM#10
Originally posted by Sylvarii
So you love Vanguard but you haven't logged into the FTP model but you are sure it's the final nail in the coffin.

The poll couple probably have been worded a little differently. Something like:

 

RAWR RAGE I HATE DIFFERENT RAWR $OE TALKING POINTS?

  1. I am completely irrational.
  2. I am making some of this up.
  3. All of the above.
 
 

  UtukuMoon

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Joined: 12/03/11
Posts: 1103

9/20/12 5:16:13 AM#11
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by sadeyx

oh!   -  its free now ??

 

Yea, I havnt received any notification from soe about it (i had a CE account) and the first I've heard about it is here!

 

Shame, I was going to play it,  but if they arnt advertising then I dont care.  VG needs population, without its just a desert.  (Its a dry heat)

 

Lol,did you read my post? The pupulation is thriving since FTP.You dont want to play it thats fine but dont use population as an excuse when the population has risen ten fold since FTP.

if true i can imagine how bad it is... the trouble with F2P is that it often only draws in people who have no real interest in the game itself.. odd as that may sound.. maybe in a few months it will be worth looking at again.. but tbh.. i don't see it.

 

Lol you are never going to be convinced so why waste your time even posting,save your finger working for something you are interested in lol. To be honest the community is just as polite and helpfull as ever but you are never going to be convinced.Don't bother logging in down the road,it's your attitude that we don't want in the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  sadeyx

Novice Member

Joined: 11/22/06
Posts: 1570

9/20/12 5:28:31 AM#12

no no.... you guys mis-understand me.

 

If SOE cant even be botherd to tell people who actually bought VG and might actually be interested in playing, then what does the future hold?

 

Sure it might be busy now... but unless something dramatic changes, history will repeat itself.

 

 

  Everket

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Joined: 3/22/11
Posts: 219

9/21/12 1:11:05 AM#13

F2P games are short lived last attempts for any mmo.  After all who plays them ?....only F2P band wagon jumpers.  They get what they can for free, then gone when the next one comes out.

 

That is simply wrong, there are plenty of success stories out there about games going f2p. You can be mad, you can think soe is evil bla bla, but some of your points just makes you clueless.

 

Their advertisement seems to be piss poor though. For example - none of my rl friends who played vanguard knew about the f2p conversion before I told them.

  Gamefun

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Joined: 6/30/12
Posts: 291

Long Term MMORPG'er. 1999-2012.

9/21/12 1:17:03 AM#14
Vanguard has been dead for years, why moan about it now?. You are right though, SOE buys out MMORPG games and destroys them, they've been doing this for several years. SOE and EA are the two companies I will never buy from again. The only thing in there mind is greed.
  Goldknyght

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 1557

It''s one thing to have a opinion, but enforcing one is unconstitutional.

9/21/12 1:18:27 AM#15
this will be moved to official soe hate thread good try though
  SaintPhilip

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Posts: 729

9/21/12 1:20:13 AM#16
Originally posted by Gamefun
Vanguard has been dead for years, why moan about it now?. You are right though, SOE buys out MMORPG games and destroys them, they've been doing this for several years. SOE and EA are the two companies I will never buy from again. The only thing in there mind is greed.

Pretty much THIS^^^^^^^

However I will probably buy another $OE product because they always somehow manage to maske a few more dollars off of me everytime I say I am done. lol.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16024

9/21/12 1:25:08 AM#17

When they bought the game from Sigil and decided to just release it in current shape they doomed the game from the start.

If they would have fixed it up first and then released it things might have been different but since nothing more than a complete revamp and a new release with a different name would have worked.

Vanguard fans might complain all they want, but fact is that no other larger publisher would have kept the game running all this time.

It is too bad because the game is actually pretty fun, but you cant release a MMO in this shape, it was worse than AoC and that game suffered the same fate.

  JimmyYO

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Joined: 9/13/11
Posts: 519

9/21/12 1:43:09 AM#18

Vanguard was terrible from beginning to end, F2P or no. Unplayable at launch followed by years of insignificant updates ending with scalping a few bucks bringing Brad back just to send him and the money to the EQNext project, which of course, will be ruined by SoE's greedy cash shops.

If you supported VG for any extended length of time you either have no MMO standards or you don't mind a greedy company bending your over on a below sub par game.

  kingotnw

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9/21/12 1:49:03 AM#19
Vanguard is my favorite MMO of all time. The fact that it is F2P is a great thing, because now there is once again a population, and tons of the people who came back to play for free are now mothly subscribers... Nail in the coffin??? Don't know what you are smoking. Vanguard is pretty healthy now. I'm in there every day too.
  sadeyx

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9/21/12 9:25:48 AM#20
Originally posted by kingotnw
Vanguard is my favorite MMO of all time. The fact that it is F2P is a great thing, because now there is once again a population, and tons of the people who came back to play for free are now mothly subscribers... Nail in the coffin??? Don't know what you are smoking. Vanguard is pretty healthy now. I'm in there every day too.

I agree.

But why should I spend another few months getting back into it if its going to die again?

You dont seem to understand that nothing has changed.   Until SOE at the very least communicate with people that bought the game, there is no reason to beleive it will ever change.

I get emails from SOE about planetside 2, DC and even freerealms!  But they wont send me a letter saying I can now player Vanguard?  The only SOE mmo that I have ever actually bought!

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