Trending Games | Trove | Elder Scrolls Online | Guild Wars 2 | Shroud of the Avatar

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,767,286 Users Online:0
Games:720  Posts:6,186,327
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » Is there really an untapped market for sandbox MMOs? Smed offers an answer

7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » Search
135 posts found
  Telondariel

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/11/10
Posts: 863

9/18/12 10:57:19 PM#81
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by zethcarn
Again talk is cheap.  You can't trust Smed any further than you can throw him.

 

Nevertheless it is illuminating that he has been playing EVE for some years, and not just grinding missions but out here in 0.0 space. At the very least it means that he's been thoroughly exposed to a working model of an MMO experience other than Yet Another Orks And Elves Themepark.

And there are lots of things EVE does really well that would translate well into other games - the EVE economy, the PLEX system (the success of PLEX will surely have stirred Smedley's greedy black heart), tiered security status areas and so on - these could all translate quite well into any MMO genre.

He also plays WoW, and he likes that game quite a bit as well.  Unfortunately, his M.O. is to grab bits of this, and bits of that, and try to apply other games concepts into his own and it never works out well.   He speaks well and gushes that whatever they are working on is going to transform the genre, but his vision, organizational management, and ability to connect and communicate with the players falls vastly short of the desired target. 

  yewsef

Novice Member

Joined: 2/02/07
Posts: 343

9/19/12 4:24:09 AM#82
For the first time in my life, Smedley is making sense.... The world is about to end. This is an omen :(
  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2722

9/19/12 11:32:48 AM#83

To all you people putting any hope on Smed doing anything "Sandbox" with EQNext, this was from a thread at another site, from a poster who has a source/friend that is/was an employee at SOE. This poster's "inside information" about SOE had been accurate before. The thread was from last year...

http://www.mmofringe.com/forum/2-Section-8/17114-the-latest-on-SOE-and-Everquest-Next

 

Admirker444:

More changes coming from SOE.

Everquest Next had two pre-production builds proposed.

one build was extensive with a large budget of 100 million dollars. It was Everquest on steroids, thats its nickname around the water cooler.

the other build proposal is extremely casual. Its known around the cooler as everquest invades farmville. its budget is very small, 20 million dollars.

the farmville version was approved.

in addition, more cuts are coming within SOE. Several hundred subcontract workers have 6 month contracts expire december 31st. They will not be renewed

basically the team that was working on the Everquest on Steroids build lost the contest and is being let go

yes, it was kinda considered a contest. the better build got the money, the loser build employees got fired essentially. quite an incentive program by SOE.

If you are an Everquest fan, dont expect a true sequel. the farmville version is going to be designed for the young 19-24 facebook / hip / young san francisco up and coming executives type of people.

quite a bit of dissension over this target market as many dont believe they exist in enough numbers to support this project after launch. some thought is that by the time the game is launched, the economy will have rebounded so its foolish to design around a free to play model and a particular target market thats unproven and outside the mmo norm

 

 

So, what we have is more talk/hype from Smed/SOE, while their actions indicate something different, entirely.

 

Edit: and more from the same poster in a follow-up post:

 

 

Smed (he) thinks DCU failed because of the economy, not bad design. yes he is that delusional.

the free to play model he advocates has to do with the economy. and it was argued by others that the economy will pick up eventually. given a 4 yr development time frame, by the time an mmo is launched sub fees would be more viable again

I havent heard anything about planetside 2.

the info i got was centered around a staff meeting and a memo announcement about the build they were going with.

one interesting note...the more hardcore build team always felt the game was rigged (the contest). they were sure smed championed the casual cheap build and would never choose their vision for EQ Next. the money had already been allocated so essentially it was just busy work for them.

and thats how soe runs. they wasted millions on a pre-production design build they had zero intention of ever using.

 

  Cuathon

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/24/04
Posts: 2254

Draw Something is now an MMO. God has forsaken us.

9/19/12 1:10:07 PM#84

I remember an article about how Google optimizes search results that applies here.

Big companies are REALLY, REALLY good at pushing toward local maxima. But they are total failures and moving back and saying, even if we reach the local maximum here, if we just shifted over this way we would be at nearly the same point now with a maximum twice as high to work towards. When Blizzard made WoW they found a higher local maximum to climb by moving far to the right.

 

Personally I think if they moved to the left much farther than original games on the sandbox scale, and farther along the z axis, the social graph, they would find a maxima that was even better. For some people. Eve went really left but they hit a wall of nicheness. Perhaps it was the setting, perhaps it was something else, we don't know.

 

But they didn't move along the 4th dimension. Cooperation. I think a game where all the players are on the same side could create the highest local maximum and I proposed such a system when I laid out my personal vision of an MMO. I work on RTS games, with a similar level of radical change now, mostly due to time and money constraints but I think if someone with the proper funds went for a single side, player wise, MMO they could get some serious money. And you could study some interesting social and ecnomic issues that are normally obscured by obsessive griefing.

  Aelious

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/27/11
Posts: 2297

World > Quest Progression

9/19/12 1:25:27 PM#85
Burntvet

That article came out a long time ago. It didn't have any backup then and it doesn't now. With a tight as the info has been on EQN I highly doubt such information as models and sales figures would come out. It does give SoE haters something to gnash at though which is why it got so much attention.
  Reklaw

Elite Member

Joined: 1/07/06
Posts: 6083

The adult I am takes care of most things real life. However my inner-child is a GAMER!!

9/19/12 1:25:49 PM#86
Originally posted by Burntvet

To all you people putting any hope on Smed doing anything "Sandbox" with EQNext, this was from a thread at another site, from a poster who has a source/friend that is/was an employee at SOE. This poster's "inside information" about SOE had been accurate before. The thread was from last year...

 

Where is the source of proof of your source, not saying it aint true, just wondering that if some forum guy tells people he has a source/friend within the company how to proof that?

I ask this because I have seen some pretty accurate predictions about games even when people did not have inside source/friends, but where mainly lucky with their predictions.

So how can we be sure that it aint just geussing on his part, in short where is the proof/source that he truly knows someone at SOE.

And yeah I rather read speculations then the "I know a friend of a friend that has a friend who knows a friend that knows a friend that is working at" type of thing.

 

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11895

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Wildstar, and Combat Arms

 
OP  9/19/12 1:36:30 PM#87
BurntVet, we get it - you don't like Smed. The thing is that when presented with information that you don't want to hear, you resort to the ridiculous to support your position. Yes, saying "you're wrong because I read that a guy on a forum has a friend that told him..." is ridiculous.

  Hrimnir

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1072

9/19/12 3:42:07 PM#88

You know what cracks me up SO much.  90% of the smed hatred is regurgitated bullshit from people who never even played SWG (or UO for that matter) but like to think they're hardcore sandboxer's super l33t mmo gamers.

The best part is it was shown LONG ago that Lucasarts was the ones behind the NGE not Smed.  Yet still to this day people LOVE to act like Smed is some amalgamation of satan, adolf hitler, and pol pot.

Know how i know this?  At its height SWG had around 400k subs, at its height.  That was also 8 years ago. Considering the current MMO playerbase is at a rough estimate in the 15-20 million players range, thats less than 3% of the current mmo playerbase who (even assuming they were idiots and still thought it was smeds fault) have a justifiable actionable reason to hate smed.

CLEARLY more than 3% of forum posters on any MMO forums hate smed, so, conclusion is the majority of smed haters are in fact morons.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2722

9/19/12 4:25:37 PM#89
Originally posted by Loktofeit
BurntVet, we get it - you don't like Smed. The thing is that when presented with information that you don't want to hear, you resort to the ridiculous to support your position. Yes, saying "you're wrong because I read that a guy on a forum has a friend that told him..." is ridiculous.

Well, the poster had a memo and notes from a meeting, so that is about anything anyone can ask for. Or saw them. Or both.

And the poster has/had a history of accurate inside info from SOE, so those two things together are enough to give it a certain amount of credence, at least.

Plus, with how bad SOE has been doing financially, I have no trouble believing Smed took the cheaper route.

 

  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2722

9/19/12 4:29:03 PM#90
Originally posted by Reklaw
Originally posted by Burntvet

To all you people putting any hope on Smed doing anything "Sandbox" with EQNext, this was from a thread at another site, from a poster who has a source/friend that is/was an employee at SOE. This poster's "inside information" about SOE had been accurate before. The thread was from last year...

 

Where is the source of proof of your source, not saying it aint true, just wondering that if some forum guy tells people he has a source/friend within the company how to proof that?

I ask this because I have seen some pretty accurate predictions about games even when people did not have inside source/friends, but where mainly lucky with their predictions.

So how can we be sure that it aint just geussing on his part, in short where is the proof/source that he truly knows someone at SOE.

And yeah I rather read speculations then the "I know a friend of a friend that has a friend who knows a friend that knows a friend that is working at" type of thing.

 

The poster was very accurate with SOE info over the years, and I have no reason to doubt him based on his record.  ANd it has not just been once or twice.

That the guy does not want to out his source and get the guy fired is probably a good reason for not naming him.

At the end of the day, who the source actually is, is not important, the guy's info has been spot on for a while.

 

  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2722

9/19/12 4:34:02 PM#91
Originally posted by Aelious
Burntvet

That article came out a long time ago. It didn't have any backup then and it doesn't now. With a tight as the info has been on EQN I highly doubt such information as models and sales figures would come out. It does give SoE haters something to gnash at though which is why it got so much attention.

What sales figures?

The guy got info from the "pitch meeting" for what the projected costs of each project option were.

I have personally sat through a couple dozen different pitch meetings for different projects (not in the game industry) and projected costs are always part of it.

And again, with how terrible SOE has been doing financially, it would not surprise me in the least that Smed chose the much cheaper option, at the cost of making a much "slimmed down" versioin of an EQ game.

 

And again, the poster has been very accurate with SOE information over the years, and thus the source he cites has been on the money as well.

No reason to doubt he was right about this.

 

  Yamota

Elite Member

Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6497

"Only cunts name their swords" -The Hound

9/19/12 4:37:51 PM#92
Unless I actually see it in game I will call all that marketing hype.

  Aelious

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/27/11
Posts: 2297

World > Quest Progression

9/19/12 4:38:45 PM#93
Burntvet

I'll believe it when I see it. Can you link forum predictions that have come true after the fact from this friend of a SoE employee? All that had been presented is something I could have written myself if I took the time. Without proof or even reasonable association it means nothing.
  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2722

9/19/12 4:43:04 PM#94
Originally posted by Hrimnir

You know what cracks me up SO much.  90% of the smed hatred is regurgitated bullshit from people who never even played SWG (or UO for that matter) but like to think they're hardcore sandboxer's super l33t mmo gamers.

I was there for the entire ride of SWG, pre-NGE, and if people hate the Smed, they have their reasons.

I was there for Smed's "The game isn't fun, give it 6 months" annoucement." And the "CU is here to stay" annoucement.

 

And many, many of the other big "FUs" SOE gave to their paying customers, until they became not paying un-customers.

Smed was at the head of company when all of that bad stuff was going on, and when a company does well and the customers are happy, the CEO gets the credit.

And when a company treats its customers poorly (and SOE clearly has over the years, they now have fewer paying subs across all their games than CCP has with just EvE), the CEO gets the blame.

SOE went from the most successful western company in the genre pre-WoW, to a joke in the industry. That was not an accident or from a single mistake.

And Smed was "the boss" for all of it.

 

Like many people, if I have contempt for Smed and how SOE has treated people, I am justified in doing so.

 

  Hrimnir

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1072

9/19/12 4:49:59 PM#95
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Hrimnir

You know what cracks me up SO much.  90% of the smed hatred is regurgitated bullshit from people who never even played SWG (or UO for that matter) but like to think they're hardcore sandboxer's super l33t mmo gamers.

I was there for the entire ride of SWG, pre-NGE, and if people hate the Smed, they have their reasons.

I was there for Smed's "The game isn't fun, give it 6 months" annoucement." And the "CU is here to stay" annoucement.

 

And many, many of the other big "FUs" SOE gave to their paying customers, until they became not paying un-customers.

Smed was at the head of company when all of that bad stuff was going on, and when a company does well and the customers are happy, the CEO gets the credit.

And when a company treats its customers poorly (and SOE clearly has over the years, they now have fewer paying subs across all their games than CCP has with just EvE), the CEO gets the blame.

SOE went from the most successful western company in the genre pre-WoW, to a joke in the industry. That was not an accident or from a single mistake.

And Smed was "the boss" for all of it.

 

Like many people, if I have contempt for Smed and how SOE has treated people, I am justified in doing so.

 

I do find it highly amusing that you felt such a strong need to respond to a post that clearly wasn't referring to you, as you were there.  Although, once again it wasnt SOE or Smed's fault what happened to SWG.  So, once again, your hatred is entirely misplaced.  But hey, whatever, irrational thought runs amock in internet forums so why bother trying to change it now.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  Sandbox

Novice Member

Joined: 8/23/06
Posts: 309

9/19/12 4:54:45 PM#96
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by Burntvet
Originally posted by Hrimnir

You know what cracks me up SO much.  90% of the smed hatred is regurgitated bullshit from people who never even played SWG (or UO for that matter) but like to think they're hardcore sandboxer's super l33t mmo gamers.

I was there for the entire ride of SWG, pre-NGE, and if people hate the Smed, they have their reasons.

I was there for Smed's "The game isn't fun, give it 6 months" annoucement." And the "CU is here to stay" annoucement.

 

And many, many of the other big "FUs" SOE gave to their paying customers, until they became not paying un-customers.

Smed was at the head of company when all of that bad stuff was going on, and when a company does well and the customers are happy, the CEO gets the credit.

And when a company treats its customers poorly (and SOE clearly has over the years, they now have fewer paying subs across all their games than CCP has with just EvE), the CEO gets the blame.

SOE went from the most successful western company in the genre pre-WoW, to a joke in the industry. That was not an accident or from a single mistake.

And Smed was "the boss" for all of it.

 

Like many people, if I have contempt for Smed and how SOE has treated people, I am justified in doing so.

 

I do find it highly amusing that you felt such a strong need to respond to a post that clearly wasn't referring to you, as you were there.  Although, once again it wasnt SOE or Smed's fault what happened to SWG.  So, once again, your hatred is entirely misplaced.  But hey, whatever, irrational thought runs amock in internet forums so why bother trying to change it now.

That's called "reflection".

  Baseline

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/23/04
Posts: 491

9/19/12 5:09:49 PM#97

I loved SWG from 2003, loved it a little less in CU, and then dropped it with NGE.

As for Smedley, it's pretty easy for people to bash the guy, but from what I understand, Lucas Arts is more responsible for the NGE than him.

Lucas Arts is of that same stock of bean-counters (rather than experience builders) as EA. Those companies are the types that come along to actual developers with 'analytics' and think that they equate to a good game when implemented.

Sorry, but the majority of players will appeal to their own interests if you actually try to solicit them for feedback.

 

Guy controlling the show: "What do you want?"

Player in the world: (thinks for a second of what he's been dreaming of) "A Ferrari".

Guy controlling the show: Here you go

Player in the world: (drives around 5 days) Ok I want to put this on ebay this blows.

 

For SWG, replace Ferrari with Jedi. That's why that game died. When you take away whatever is prestigious and hard, and make everything easy, the interest wanes. There is nothing on this earth worth having that doesn't require hard work, because in general, the harder the effort, the more exclusive (and prestigious) the reward. Is there really any health benefit to having shredded abs at 5% bodyfat? NO, it's unhealthy. But you can temporarily get down there for picture time at an event, and that picture will stand out.

The players will say time and time again "I have a job, I don't have the time, I have kids". Yeah? Well guess what, you're playing in games where you're not only against people with no lives who will play 15 hours a day and only sleep, but now you have to deal with the reality of guilds who get their guild masters account played around the clock by multiple players to be the first on the server to do this or that.

What I'm saying is, a lot of people come to these games expecting the same equality the preach in the real world, but they know doesn't exist.

Responsible adults that are normal and healthy gamers just wouldn't care too much about the 'higher level' in a game. There is always a higher level they can make, another carrot for you to chase. If you really want to enjoy games as part of your leisure, you need to say "ok, I play at this level, this bracket where people invest this much time, and I want to try to dominate that bracket".

But, even if you do, you get to the next bracket and get wiped out.

And if you can't deal with that, find another hobby where those other advantageous factors aren't in play. Like... an FPS game (well, one without aimbots).

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11895

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Wildstar, and Combat Arms

 
OP  9/19/12 7:01:48 PM#98
Originally posted by Burntvet

The poster was very accurate with SOE info over the years, and I have no reason to doubt him based on his record.  ANd it has not just been once or twice.

That the guy does not want to out his source and get the guy fired is probably a good reason for not naming him.

At the end of the day, who the source actually is, is not important, the guy's info has been spot on for a while.

The humor here is that you feel the guy leaking info is honest enough to leak full, correct or even real info to a bunch of people he doesn't know. Why?

Because Mystery Source is telling you what you want to hear, BitterVet, and Smed - no matter what he says or does - will always be the evil, destroyer of virtual worlds in your mind. The former obviously doesn't have loyalty to the company and the latter has a vested interest in the company.

Question: If you found out your Mystery Source was some other industry professional you have disdain for, would you still hold his rumors as gospel truth or would you dismiss it as lies?

  Burntvet

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2722

9/19/12 7:25:58 PM#99
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Burntvet

The poster was very accurate with SOE info over the years, and I have no reason to doubt him based on his record.  ANd it has not just been once or twice.

That the guy does not want to out his source and get the guy fired is probably a good reason for not naming him.

At the end of the day, who the source actually is, is not important, the guy's info has been spot on for a while.

The humor here is that you feel the guy leaking info is honest enough to leak full, correct or even real info to a bunch of people he doesn't know. Why?

Because Mystery Source is telling you what you want to hear, BitterVet, and Smed - no matter what he says or does - will always be the evil, destroyer of virtual worlds in your mind. The former obviously doesn't have loyalty to the company and the latter has a vested interest in the company.

Question: If you found out your Mystery Source was some other industry professional you have disdain for, would you still hold his rumors as gospel truth or would you dismiss it as lies?

You seem to be a little too invested in arguing with anyone who has anything bad to say about Smed... interesting.

All I did was repost some info from a thread on another site, talking about EQNext and that it was not going down the raod some people in this thread think it is, and it rebutts some of the things Smed said or implied in the interview.

Want to talk about who the source is and all that stuff? Fine. Take it up with the original poster on the other site, it is that guy's friend.

All I know is that that other poster has posted reliable info in the past about SOE and cited that same friend.

If that is not good enough for you, too bad.

 

As for Smed, he is responsible for doing plenty of things his now former customers are unhappy with. Not what he said, what he did. And all the empty apologies don't change any of that for crap.

 

 

  Aelious

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/27/11
Posts: 2297

World > Quest Progression

9/19/12 11:21:19 PM#100
"All I know is that that other poster has posted reliable info in the past about SOE and cited that same friend."

If that's the case, link it. You have said that in this thread four or five times now without any proof. I don't care about your bias or anyone else's and it's more than aparent from that thread about EQN that even the admin was biased. The admin didn't even ask for proof, just took it at face value and started bashing it with the other people in the thread.

"It's because the poster had posted reliabl-"

Link it.

As a side note I find it ironic that for a game "built in a box" that they would have two seperate dev teams and let one side go. In the time since then 0 information has come out relating anything about any part of any iteration of the game.

Hmmm....
7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » Search