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9/19/12 9:30:36 AM#41
Originally posted by AzurePrower You must not really know Ruin from other games, this is what they do. They back one of the largest gaming communities by force. They don't make the game fun and will use any tactic to win even if it comes down to cheating and exploiting. Their philosophy is join them or gtfo and that's it. I come from Henge of Denravi and we are one of the few servers that face Ruin and we know for fact that it is 2v1 when facing JQ and ET in combat. The fact that they're doing this is rediculous but you know what. Henge of Denravi still wins. Archaeos is not a skilled player, nor is his guild and they will never be. To them it's all about numbers. The only thing worse than fighting against Ruin is playing with them and I feel sorry for you. I'd recommend you getting off that server. They will be the death of it. It happens to every game they go to.  Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you. |
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Kost
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Joined: 1/15/10
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9/19/12 9:32:27 AM#42
Originally posted by Tardcore Once again, as you seem grossly misinformed: WvW has fuck all to do with competitive PvP. sPvP and Tournaments are the competitive aspect, which are not effected in any way by what the OP has described. |
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9/19/12 9:41:47 AM#43
Ruin, ruined WAR, lol. NOt really but they were there, and all about RvR killing zergs...I think AION too, but i could be wrong. I stand by ANet claim thay spying is legit. It is suspoosed to be a war-like enviornment is it not? In closing, I understand that there were lots of "esport" comments.......Just because you call it a "sport" doesnt make it fair. Maybe you want some officials standing around in WvW, "policing"?..LAME |
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9/19/12 9:45:55 AM#44
You're competing against two other servers for control of keeps and points for a 2 week (supposedly) period. You are then ranked with other servers and stacked up against 2 new servers that scored the same range of points your server did. How is this not "competitive"? o.O If you are COMPETING with two other servers for control of the BattleGrounds....that is : COMPETITIVE.
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9/19/12 9:51:42 AM#45
Originally posted by Four0Six You played Warhammer Online? I was in one of the guilds that vs. Ruin on it. We're Ebonlore, and yes, ruin quite literally as their name states ruined WAR. We also fought them in Aion as well. Once again was in Ebonlore and Ruin didn't fair so well. They're here in GW2 now and I'm no longer part of Ebonlore because it is no longer a competitive PvP guild. I however play on Henge of Denravi and will say. Ruin utterly blows. They, at their peak time can not even handle Henge of Denravi's pugs, they're just that uncoordinated and when I mean can't handle henge, I mean cannot handle it at all. Ruin controls two servers. Count them two JQ and ET. They still lose to one server and since they're at the top with us they will continue to lose to us. Long live Titan Alliance long live Henge of Denravi. Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you. |
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RavingRabbid
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Joined: 10/11/09
Remember Rabbids cant play MMO's, but they can dance! |
9/19/12 9:58:07 AM#46
If the links are correct shown by the OP are true then they need to be permabanned. I really wish compnaies would take a stand vs money with permabanning cheaters, to include banning thier ip addresses, bank accounts, credit cards, etc. Cheaters ruin the gsmes for everyone. All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. |
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Tardcore
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Joined: 9/13/09
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post." |
9/19/12 10:36:47 AM#47
http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world Sorry but I fail to see how you could consider this activitiy to NOT be competitive.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . " |
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9/19/12 10:40:48 AM#48
There are plenty of exploits with this WvW system that needs to be looked at. Some that people haven't started doing yet but they are there. Spies as the OP said. Servers allied with other servers to take out a lone server. All 3 server just running clockwise to keep capping everything without defending anything. So many more issues. They had a nice idea but it will only work in a unlimited open world zone. |
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9/19/12 10:44:42 AM#49
Why should they be banned? Why even complain? They're only using tools Anet provided them with. When you design a PvP system around supposed server pride and no other real incentive, and then allow free realm transfers, what did you expect? Maybe don't take it so seriously because clearly Anet isn't.
BTW GW2 PvP dirty little secret is point swapping. Shockingly similar to Illum in SWTOR. A form of PvP universally laughed at by players. How is this any different? Want quick rank in sPvP? Log in late at night into an empty map with a friend or another account and trade points. Watch how much faster you gain rank. Same in WvW. You can even swap capture points, switch servers, and recapture the points you just gave up for double the rank. It's a joke. |
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TruthXHurts
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Joined: 6/20/10
I am here to chew bubblegum and to kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum! |
9/19/12 10:50:10 AM#50
Hacking is obviously a moot point, but the rest of it is just tactics. It's dirty and underhanded, but it brings to mind the old saying...
"All's fair in love and war." "I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!" |
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AzurePrower
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Joined: 3/18/07
I neither give in to the hype or hate. |
The funny thing is. This is written in their Terms of Service: “While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.” |
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9/19/12 11:00:23 AM#52
Originally posted by AzurePrower If that is what is indeed written in TOS ruin should be removed. Simple as that, their guild have never acted in good faith on any game they've played, and their tactics have not changed for this game. While I believe spying is fine, what is not fine is taking control of two servers to completely dominate everyone in their wake. It ruins the enjoyment for not only the losing server, but every server they're on. Simply remove the head and the rest will fall. As said, remove Archaos for intentionally spamming the chats which is a reportable offense and remove him for cross realming and manipulating matches in his favor. My concern is that there might be GM's that are part of Ruin. From one of the previous posts by a GM he acts as if none of the things they're doing is wrong, which if stated in the TOS, is not right. Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you. |
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9/19/12 11:04:23 AM#53
Originally posted by grounnn The problem is free realm transfers. To expect players to show sportsmanship in good faith is naive. The problem is a massive design flaw. Getting rid of one guild won't change this. |
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9/19/12 11:05:40 AM#54
Originally posted by grounnn It happened in GW1 also - there were some alliances so big they could actually throw GvG or HoH matches for themselves. The problem is, you have to be able to see and have proof of the callusion in order to stop it. If they never chat in game - you can't really prove it.  "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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9/19/12 11:07:13 AM#55
Originally posted by botrytis True, but the several screenshots provided by the OP are more than enough proof to ban Archaos for breaking the TOS. Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you. |
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9/19/12 11:07:45 AM#56
Originally posted by AzurePrower The ToS is talking about something completely different than what you are reporting and has more to do with sPvP than WvW. Kill trading for example would be against the ToS and a manipulation of the outcome of a match. In your case the player in question was never on your side. He is doing what he thinks is best for his server to win. If your server fell to his plan then he was sucessful and merely won and did so without breaking the ToS. |
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Yamota
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Joined: 10/05/03
There's a beast within every man that stirs when you put a sword in his hand |
9/19/12 11:21:58 AM#57
Originally posted by drakaena Yep exactly. They should add server transfers to their cash-shop.  |
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Xzen
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Joined: 5/01/06
A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands. |
9/19/12 11:24:32 AM#58
They need to make transfers to high pop/high ranked WvW servers expensive and make transfers to low pop/low ranked servers free.
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9/19/12 11:33:27 AM#59
So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb. |
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9/19/12 11:45:08 AM#60
Originally posted by AzurePrower
This is bullshit! If that's legit "tactic" then why the hell are you not able to gut that asshole preventing you from using the trebs? If spying and infiltrating is a legit tactic then there should be mechanics in-game to weed those fuckers out and make some heads roll. Gah makes me want to skip W v W untill the free transfer crap is over. This is like playing soccer but the enemy team can pull a net over their goal so your team has no way to score, fun times! |
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