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  AzurePrower

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Joined: 3/18/07
Posts: 1535

Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

 
OP  9/19/12 2:02:21 AM#21


Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Xzen The first post on the WvW forums is "Hey Ruin! Stay on your server!" The whole first page is people pissed about all these shenanigans.
i did see that earlier but GW2 forum Op was making complaint about Ruin guild recruiting on other servers

 

i agree, as players chime in, other issues are made clear

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Hey-Ruin-Stay-on-your-server


Seems Anet has deleted the thread.

  Tardcore

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Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 2370

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

9/19/12 6:42:04 AM#22
Originally posted by AzurePrower

 


Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Xzen The first post on the WvW forums is "Hey Ruin! Stay on your server!" The whole first page is people pissed about all these shenanigans.
i did see that earlier but GW2 forum Op was making complaint about Ruin guild recruiting on other servers

 

 

i agree, as players chime in, other issues are made clear

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Hey-Ruin-Stay-on-your-server


 

Seems Anet has deleted the thread.

Wow. That's two different game questioning topics they've deleted now. I'm so glad that A-net got their forums open to give people a place to talk about the game IN SILENCE!

"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "

  WhiteLantern

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Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2779

9/19/12 6:45:10 AM#23
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by AzurePrower

 


Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Xzen The first post on the WvW forums is "Hey Ruin! Stay on your server!" The whole first page is people pissed about all these shenanigans.
i did see that earlier but GW2 forum Op was making complaint about Ruin guild recruiting on other servers

 

 

i agree, as players chime in, other issues are made clear

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Hey-Ruin-Stay-on-your-server


 

Seems Anet has deleted the thread.

Wow. That's two different game questioning topics they've deleted now. I'm so glad that A-net got their forums open to give people a place to talk about the game IN SILENCE!

Well, in Anets defense, they only delete threads from posters who aren't posting right.

 

 

 

 

(man, that's gotten old. I was hoping to get a few months out of it at least)

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  User Deleted
9/19/12 6:47:24 AM#24

Monthly fees boys and girls ,monthly fees,paid side switching etc. and you wont see that.

or even better ,dont allow to change sides at all ,servers or whatever there is.

 

  gwei1984

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/22/12
Posts: 363

9/19/12 7:30:22 AM#25
Originally posted by AzurePrower

 


Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Xzen The first post on the WvW forums is "Hey Ruin! Stay on your server!" The whole first page is people pissed about all these shenanigans.
i did see that earlier but GW2 forum Op was making complaint about Ruin guild recruiting on other servers

 

 

i agree, as players chime in, other issues are made clear

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Hey-Ruin-Stay-on-your-server


 

Seems Anet has deleted the thread.

Nice way to keep those things untouched A-Net o.O

Hodor!

  Tardcore

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 2370

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

9/19/12 7:35:33 AM#26
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by AzurePrower

 


Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Xzen The first post on the WvW forums is "Hey Ruin! Stay on your server!" The whole first page is people pissed about all these shenanigans.
i did see that earlier but GW2 forum Op was making complaint about Ruin guild recruiting on other servers

 

 

i agree, as players chime in, other issues are made clear

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Hey-Ruin-Stay-on-your-server


 

Seems Anet has deleted the thread.

Wow. That's two different game questioning topics they've deleted now. I'm so glad that A-net got their forums open to give people a place to talk about the game IN SILENCE!

Well, in Anets defense, they only delete threads from posters who aren't posting right.

 

 

 

 

(man, that's gotten old. I was hoping to get a few months out of it at least)

LOL!!

"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "

  IstrebiteI

Novice Member

Joined: 10/28/11
Posts: 272

9/19/12 7:41:07 AM#27

First of all, server transfers will stop working for free soon. Then you wont see stuff like that happen (people coming to rival server to troll their population in chat, spy and use siege weapons). It would have a cooldown of like once a week and a gem cost.

Then, owner of siege weapon can boot the person. You should have called the owner of that treb to boot that [RUIN] dude out and /laugh at him. Ownership is recorded until the siege weapon is destroyed so he can even log back from some PVE location and still own the treb. Can hardly call what he did exploiting because it was very easy to prevent him from doing it...  just boot him from the treb... plus.... build another treb! If the owned of that treb was very far away, it means the siege went on for a long time, and you obviously could just get supplies for another one.

Then, definetly people should learn to use game functions, not whine. Ignore him and explain to others that this is a person who is from the winning server who free transfererd to confuse you.

If someone uses 4 rows of text to make their guild announcement frequently - report them for spamming.

If one server dominates you like THAT (holding your spawn with golems) - contact other server, team uip and 2v1 them. If you cannot win 2v1, then... well, learn to play! WvW isnt about free cookies

 

PS: Plus you didnt touch ANY of the real exploits and hacks. On youtube people are seen flying with orbs of power right from a tightly guarded enemy castle at 10x normal speed, people are teleporting too high to evade final blow, heal to full then drop back in combat, etc. Thats real hacks and exploits that have to be dealt with, compared to seriousness of those hacks and exploits, what that [RUIN] guy did was a laughable child play

 

PPS: Real concern is what will happen when people buy second account for a guild member so that he can spy on enemies. They can feed him currency to pay for transfer once per 2 weeks too. That'll be a problem, probably...

  botrytis

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2532

9/19/12 7:48:06 AM#28
Originally posted by KingJiggly
There are no rules in love and war... So do it yourselves. Organize, abuse their idea, ( don't exploit though... Don't wanna be banned lol) . Spy on them. Do what you must to win. Until Anet fixes it, that is all you can do if you want to win. This ain't no Disney film.

Just remember - if you follow his advice and get banned, complain to him not to A.Net.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  botrytis

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Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2532

9/19/12 7:51:30 AM#29
Originally posted by ForumPvP

Monthly fees boys and girls ,monthly fees,paid side switching etc. and you wont see that.

or even better ,dont allow to change sides at all ,servers or whatever there is.

 

Yes you will. THere are all types of exploits in Rift. Even thought people are getting banned for it there, people still are using it as it is easier to cheat and win than to use skill and win.

 

All games have exploits - monthly fees or not. You are deluding yourself if you think that will change people's behavior - I think it actually makes it worse because they have a level of 'entitlement'  because of the fee.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  User Deleted
9/19/12 7:53:31 AM#30

Can't see the issue with rolling spy characters to check up on the enemy. That old chestnut has been used since time immemorial in mmos where there has been any kind of larger scale/factional pvp.

 

Some of the other stuff is a bit lame though.

  User Deleted
9/19/12 8:05:47 AM#31
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by ForumPvP

Monthly fees boys and girls ,monthly fees,paid side switching etc. and you wont see that.

or even better ,dont allow to change sides at all ,servers or whatever there is.

 

Yes you will. THere are all types of exploits in Rift. Even thought people are getting banned for it there, people still are using it as it is easier to cheat and win than to use skill and win.

 

All games have exploits - monthly fees or not. You are deluding yourself if you think that will change people's behavior - I think it actually makes it worse because they have a level of 'entitlement'  because of the fee.

cant care less about rift or other games,point  is, in free to play products these cheaters can hurt other players for free,in pay to play products they hurt themselves for doing that because it costs real money.

all games have exploits..who said they doesnt ?

 

  Centhan

Novice Member

Joined: 2/17/04
Posts: 485

9/19/12 8:18:29 AM#32

I actually have played with this guy, and didn't know he was doing this stuff (switching servers back and forth).  That's disappointing on Ruin's part.  I thought they were pretty decent.  Oh well.

Just because you dominate a map doesn't make it fun for many of us.  Whether you are on the winning or losing side, it just becomes boring.  The bottom line is, it translates into dollars for Anet.  People get bored playing this way (with nothing to do in WvW), and makes them want to stop playing.  Then everyone complains about how no one plays anymore, and we're all shocked when a game closes because of the "bad developers", when we all had a hand in causing its demise.

Anet better stop the free server transfers soon.  It kind of defeats the purpose of matching up servers if people and guilds can switch anytime they'd like.

I took some screen shots over the past two days, and they show how "fun" WvW has become (at least for the ET/SoS/IoJ servers).  If you notice, they are mostly all from Ruin. I just don't understand how spawn camping is considered fun.  People scream in chat to let them at least attack something so you get defense experience, but that falls on deaf ears as well.

 

  User Deleted
9/19/12 8:25:39 AM#33

Anet's only and big failure was to believe the guy who wanted to mix PVP, Factions, and PVE undermine the nice idea of GW1 and create the abormination called "Homeserver".

This should never have happened and so "Homeservers".


1. Create one big PVE pool again with instances which are switchable by players.
2. Create many PVP pools, give them factions and names (servernames).
3. Let people sign up for those factions which only affect Wvwvw PVP.
4. Allow people to transfer but with 1 day delay and a penalty for guilds if they invite those transfered players within 1 week after the transfer.
5. Fire the moron who missed the last 10 years of faction pvp design in every other mmo.

success.

  AzurePrower

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/18/07
Posts: 1535

Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

 
OP  9/19/12 9:10:49 AM#34

I asked the Guild Wars 2 support team directly about the issue. A copy paste of the OP.

This was their response:



Response [Representative name omitted] via Email 09/19/2012 08:48 AM
Hello,

Although it might be be bad sportsmanship, espionage and sabotage are legitimate tactics in any combat based game. We would not consider the use of these tactics to be a violation. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Take Care,
[Representative name omitted]
Guild Wars 2 Support Team
http://support.guildwars2.com



Yeah...

  Tardcore

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Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 2370

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

9/19/12 9:15:22 AM#35
Originally posted by AzurePrower

I asked the Guild Wars 2 support team directly about the issue. A copy paste of the OP.

This was their response:

 



Response [Representative name omitted] via Email 09/19/2012 08:48 AM
Hello,

 

Although it might be be bad sportsmanship, espionage and sabotage are legitimate tactics in any combat based game. We would not consider the use of these tactics to be a violation. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Take Care,
[Representative name omitted]
Guild Wars 2 Support Team
http://support.guildwars2.com


 


Yeah...

Yeah sorry mate, but that is the dark side of competitve PVP endgame.

"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "

  AzurePrower

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/18/07
Posts: 1535

Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

 
OP  9/19/12 9:20:50 AM#36


Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by AzurePrower I asked the Guild Wars 2 support team directly about the issue. A copy paste of the OP. This was their response:  

Response [Representative name omitted] via Email 09/19/2012 08:48 AM Hello,   Although it might be be bad sportsmanship, espionage and sabotage are legitimate tactics in any combat based game. We would not consider the use of these tactics to be a violation. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Take Care, [Representative name omitted] Guild Wars 2 Support Team http://support.guildwars2.com
  Yeah...
Yeah sorry mate, but that is the dark side of competitve PVP endgame.

Nothing competitive about it.

  Tardcore

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Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 2370

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

9/19/12 9:24:21 AM#37
Originally posted by AzurePrower

 


Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by AzurePrower I asked the Guild Wars 2 support team directly about the issue. A copy paste of the OP. This was their response:  

Response [Representative name omitted] via Email 09/19/2012 08:48 AM Hello,   Although it might be be bad sportsmanship, espionage and sabotage are legitimate tactics in any combat based game. We would not consider the use of these tactics to be a violation. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Take Care, [Representative name omitted] Guild Wars 2 Support Team http://support.guildwars2.com
  Yeah...
Yeah sorry mate, but that is the dark side of competitve PVP endgame.

 

Nothing competitive about it.

Meant as when a game sets up a state of competiton between players there will be those that take it to the extreme. Which does indeed suck for those who are just looking to have a good time.

"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5269

9/19/12 9:24:51 AM#38
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by AzurePrower

I asked the Guild Wars 2 support team directly about the issue. A copy paste of the OP.

This was their response:

 



Response [Representative name omitted] via Email 09/19/2012 08:48 AM
Hello,

 

Although it might be be bad sportsmanship, espionage and sabotage are legitimate tactics in any combat based game. We would not consider the use of these tactics to be a violation. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Take Care,
[Representative name omitted]
Guild Wars 2 Support Team
http://support.guildwars2.com


 


Yeah...

Yeah sorry mate, but that is the dark side of competitve PVP endgame.

i think i'll be sticking to Eve after all, sounds too much like the GW2 W v W PvP is seriously not worth the time and effort.. Arenanet seriously need to do something about it.. though it does seem as though their hoping if they ignore it..  it won't exist..  epic fail.

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9/19/12 9:27:48 AM#39
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Not only do we have to deal with people using teleporting hacks we've been seeing lately.


We're having to put up with bad sportsmanship and cheesing of the game by things such as a dominant guild abusing free transfers to the server they are currently facing in WvW to spy to let their guild know where we are attacking, calling out false targets in map/team chat to confuse/lead us into an ambush, spam recruitment for their winning server/guild and even stop us from using our siege equipment.

Keep an eye on this Archaos guy and notice he is from the same guild as the ones dominating the WvW battlefield:

http://i.imgur.com/X6WXb.jpg

Recruitment spam:

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/5487/gw036.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pGsdZ.jpg

Calling out false targets:

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/5520/gw038.jpg

Using our siege and admitting in chat to preventing us from using it (and falsely accusing us of exploiting):

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/5531/gw007.jpg

They even have the gall to post this video with Archaos in the video and as the main voice over:

http://youtu.be/z4ntkZC6RTg

 

Also if people are wondering where they are getting all those golems from. No they're not spending 1g a piece. You get them free from jumping puzzles, which they also camp and prevent any access to.


Things like this is killing the game and it's sad to see A net hasn't done any thing nor even said any thing about this yet.

Welcome to the harsh reality of what happens when you make a large portion, if not the entire portion of your end game competitive PVP based. Been seeing this shit since the days of Shadowbane.

WvW is not competitive PvP though, sPvP and Tournies are, and what the OP describes doesn't effect that portion of the game in any way.

Your argument holds no merit.

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9/19/12 9:28:38 AM#40


Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by AzurePrower I asked the Guild Wars 2 support team directly about the issue. A copy paste of the OP. This was their response:  

Response [Representative name omitted] via Email 09/19/2012 08:48 AM Hello,   Although it might be be bad sportsmanship, espionage and sabotage are legitimate tactics in any combat based game. We would not consider the use of these tactics to be a violation. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Take Care, [Representative name omitted] Guild Wars 2 Support Team http://support.guildwars2.com
  Yeah...
Yeah sorry mate, but that is the dark side of competitve PVP endgame.
i think i'll be sticking to Eve after all, sounds too much like the GW2 W v W PvP is seriously not worth the time and effort.. Arenanet seriously need to do something about it.. though it does seem as though their hoping if they ignore it..  it won't exist..  epic fail.

H
eh? EVE is all about exploiting with metagaming outside the game.
Now you get (if not faked) a response that GW2 allows exploiting WvWvW with metagaming?

How the hell is that NEGATIVE for you?

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