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  Shadoed

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9/19/12 2:26:29 AM#101
Originally posted by slicknslim88
 

If this was the post that was referred to recently.  I have to say a few things.

When you say what the sub gives you, the "character slots, pets, mounts, bags, bank slots, clothing, transmogs, in game help etc etc etc"  I dare not ask what the "etc etc etc" is, because no doubt it will be big stretches like having trinkets and being able to fly anywhere.  Now I'm under the impression, because you brought it up yourself, that because you pay a sub fee, you aren't neglected to any of those things you mentioned BECAUSE you pay a monthly sub fee.  You said yourself, that the sub fee blankets all of those things, which is just entirely untrue.

Some mounts and pets are sold seperately in Blizzard's cash shop, so lets write those off right there.  Also, I think Blizz has a reputation for having some pretty terrible customer service, so lets write that one off too.  What do we have left?  Character slots, bags, bank slots, clothing, and transmogs.

Because you also brought up GW2, I will myself, GW2 does indeed offer players the chance to buy bigger banks, and more bag slots, but these are ENTIRELY unneccessary.  I know this because I've been playing since 3 day head start, and have an 80, as well as multiple level 15 toons and I haven't had issues with storage space in the least.  I use the amazingly convenient features that Anet has put in the game to work my way around purchasing those things.  So let's write those two off also.  

Clothing that people buy in GW2 is entirely cosmetic, but I'll let you have that one because as far as I know WoW doesn't let people buy other outfits on their online shop.  Although defending your sub fee because you have clothing...is a stretch and a laugh.

Transmogs in GW2 are gathered from completing maps, I've got lots of those without spending a dime on them.  So writing that one off too.

Character slots is one that is a bit tricky.  It is no doubt that WoW allows players to have 10 slots of characters to play with (only counting 1 server), and that GW2 comes with only 5 character slots.  Personally I only have 4 professions that I'm interested in so it's not a problem for me.  However there are lots of people who really like having every profession, altaholics and the like.  So this one I will give to you, but it really heavily depends on how addicted to making alt characters a person is, because you can do a TON of stuff with only 1 character, there is certainly no lack of content in GW2 for end game characters, despite the rumors.

So you can get all these things in GW2 without having to pay a subscription fee.  But I said I would give you the character slots, so if you wanted to put down the cash (or the gold, can get gems with gold btw, and not spend a dime either) than you'll put down a bit more, I'm going to be generous and say 30 dollars for those, it's probably much less though, not sure exactly how much it is.

So how long are you goin to defend sub fees when there is a game like GW2 out now that is destroying the "sub fee" business model?

 

First off the bat, i didn't bring up GW2, the post you have pulled was in response to someone else bringing up GW2.

Secondly, never bought anything from the cash shop as those prticular items have never interested me, especially when i can get much more in the game itself. As for the customer service, you write that off if you like but i have had a couple instances when my guild mates accounts have been compromised for example where the swift action of the in game GM's (within an hour) have saved me and my friends a lot of hassle, so i do value that service.

Thirdly, i need a lot of bag space and bank space as i craft a lot and auction a lot, let alone keep a lot of seasonal stuff year on year so i can easily burn through 100 bag slots on a farming run or fill 165 bank slots. I enjoy my pets (will be approx 300 in MoP) and my mounts (well over 100 so far), i use a lot of character slots (over 40  on one account) because my boys play the game too.

BUT.....and this is the kicker, I....that is ME! I believe that i get value for my subscription, i don't care what 'you will give me' or whetherr you feel you get better value for not paying a sub, I feel that i get value for money for ME, not you, not anyone else, ME. How hard is this to understand? I pay my sub, i play the game my way and I feel i get value for money. I really don't understand why people have to try so hard to prove that the sub model is some sort of evil thorn in the side of the MMO industry and i don't understand the whole "wow you have spent xxx amount over the years, don't you feel conned" stuff either as i paid my money every month and enjoyed my entertainment in te same way that i don't look back at every £1 spent on cinema tickets or club entry fees or my cable TV subscription etc..

I don't knock the B2P model, i think that it widens the market in a good way for a lot of people, it just doesn't suit what i need from a game where currently the WoW sub model does and that is the magic of choice.

PS: You didn't answer my question. Where would GW2 or similar games be if everyone just purchased the boxes and never purchased anything from the cash shops as the guy in the video suggests is the way you could go?

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  DOGMA1138

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Joined: 8/25/11
Posts: 476

9/19/12 7:21:55 AM#102
Originally posted by slicknslim88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns-IIn-DG-c

This vid has probably been posted a lot, but it's still relevant to threads like these.  It's not about GW2 either.  It's about the Pay to Play business model, it's strengths, and it's weaknesses.

All fanboi's should look at it objectively.

Sorry that video has some major issues.

The author of the video has no idea what "Cost of Sale" or how its usually called "Cost of goods Sold"(COGS) is.

He didnt even bothered reading the same annual report he's quoting from(which was an old one), or just intentionally ingored it.

"Cost of sales includes manufacturing costs, software royalties and amortization, and intellectual property licenses."

It does not cover operation expenses, and buisness overhead such as rent, salleries, and other expenses.

He ignores the fact that Guild Wars is not a free to play game, any game with a cash shop is not free to play, if they will not make sufficient money from the cash shop they will either have to redsign the game to make it more "attractive" to players to buy items from the cash shop, or cut expenses.

Due to WoW and the expansion of the MMORPG market in the past decade the inital launch costs of any AAA MMO these days are huge.

WoW did not sell 2-3M copies in the first 1 or 2 months,  Blizzard had never had to deal with the expenses which come from an immidate influx of players. You need a heck of a support staff, and an infrastructure capable of supporting 2-3 times the players you most likely have 3-6 months down the line. 

If any thing cash shop MMO's especially ones with box costs milk money from players from day one and not a month(or in some cases more) down the line.

 According to the 2011 annual report, the Cost of Sale for Blizzards Online subscripiton was 238M US.

This is only the cost of sale for the actual subscription, and does not include the cost of sale for the game it self, not for selling Cataclysm/Legacy Boxes, Digital Downloads of the Game, Support, R&D and other things.

MMO's take alot of money to develop, and even more money to support do they require a sub to be viable? no, but they do require a constant infulx of money from some where - cash shop, constant paid content updates, and other revenue streams.

There is a reason why when WoW launched they launched with very well arguable more content than EQ had at the time, heck more than any other MMO had at the time in terms of Zones(Amount and Size), Mobs, POI, Quests, and Instances.

GW2 has alot of content, and some of it is good, but even it doesnt even scartches what WoW launched with(and dont forget that during the first 3 months they've actually released a few lower level instances), and does not come any where near what it has now.

Sorry but 8 dungeons, with the first one being at freaking level 30, and the rest spaced very far apart is still one of my major issues with GW2.

 

  slickbizzle

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Joined: 9/28/11
Posts: 449

9/19/12 10:11:23 AM#103
MoP should sell very well.  I am, however, curious as to why Blizzard hasn't hyped the game up with a "X amount of preorders!" announcement. Or why they haven't paid this site to bump up the numbers in the "Most Popular Games" section.
  Shadoed

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Joined: 10/03/03
Posts: 1474

9/19/12 10:50:21 AM#104
Originally posted by slickbizzle
MoP should sell very well.  I am, however, curious as to why Blizzard hasn't hyped the game up with a "X amount of preorders!" announcement. Or why they haven't paid this site to bump up the numbers in the "Most Popular Games" section.

As far as i can remember they have never released any pre-order figures with any of the expansions, but the hype train is well and truely rolling. Adverts are running in prime time slots here in the UK and everyone that either plays the game or has played the game will have got an e-mail this week inviting them to come along to the midnight launch parties they have arranged including appearences from some of the devs to sign your collectors editions.

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  Vunak23

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Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

9/19/12 10:58:51 AM#105
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Putting the two games aside

OP please explain to me: Why you like Blizzard's business model better.

$15 a month versus $0 per month and both games you have the option to purchase items in a cash shop.

Me personally, I hate F2P games. Specially F2P games with an initial box fee. F2P brings in more money for a reason, its a greedy business model. I'm not a childso 15$ a month is no big deal,  I'm not so cheap that I can't scrounge together 15$ to support a company that is upfront with there player base. 

You know what the 15$ a month is going towards. Nobody is getting an advantage, everyone is on even playing fields. Servers are being maintained and content is coming in at a resonable pace. 

If you can't afford 15$ a month, or care to support a game company for 15$ a month then you need to work your priorities out. 

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  Shadoed

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9/19/12 11:09:53 AM#106
Originally posted by Vunak23

Me personally, I hate F2P games. Specially F2P games with an initial box fee. F2P brings in more money for a reason, its a greedy business model. I'm not a childso 15$ a month is no big deal,  I'm not so cheap that I can't scrounge together 15$ to support a company that is upfront with there player base. 

You know what the 15$ a month is going towards. Nobody is getting an advantage, everyone is on even playing fields. Servers are being maintained and content is coming in at a resonable pace. 

If you can't afford 15$ a month, or care to support a game company for 15$ a month then you need to work your priorities out. 

To be fair, i don't think it has anything to do with priority or whether someone has the $15/month or not, it comes down to whether they see the value in spending that $15 or not and some do, some don't. What i do object to is someone spitting venom in my direction just because i do see a value to the money i spend and they don't as it isn't their money i am spending and i am not trying to convince them to see a value where they don't currently see it.

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  botrytis

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9/19/12 11:17:03 AM#107
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Putting the two games aside

OP please explain to me: Why you like Blizzard's business model better.

$15 a month versus $0 per month and both games you have the option to purchase items in a cash shop.

Me personally, I hate F2P games. Specially F2P games with an initial box fee. F2P brings in more money for a reason, its a greedy business model. I'm not a childso 15$ a month is no big deal,  I'm not so cheap that I can't scrounge together 15$ to support a company that is upfront with there player base. 

You know what the 15$ a month is going towards. Nobody is getting an advantage, everyone is on even playing fields. Servers are being maintained and content is coming in at a resonable pace. 

If you can't afford 15$ a month, or care to support a game company for 15$ a month then you need to work your priorities out. 

Well, your priority is to pay 15 dollars a month for a game. Some people feel that 15 dollars can be spent better in other ways. it is just different ranking of priorities. You may not be a child but your attitude about not understanding that people may not want to spend 15 dollar a month sub IS CHILDISH.

 

None of the models can really be called a greedy model - if the company can survive. We have seen many a sub game go down while a B2P game, like GW1 survived.

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  Vunak23

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9/19/12 11:35:00 AM#108
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Putting the two games aside

OP please explain to me: Why you like Blizzard's business model better.

$15 a month versus $0 per month and both games you have the option to purchase items in a cash shop.

Me personally, I hate F2P games. Specially F2P games with an initial box fee. F2P brings in more money for a reason, its a greedy business model. I'm not a childso 15$ a month is no big deal,  I'm not so cheap that I can't scrounge together 15$ to support a company that is upfront with there player base. 

You know what the 15$ a month is going towards. Nobody is getting an advantage, everyone is on even playing fields. Servers are being maintained and content is coming in at a resonable pace. 

If you can't afford 15$ a month, or care to support a game company for 15$ a month then you need to work your priorities out. 

Well, your priority is to pay 15 dollars a month for a game. Some people feel that 15 dollars can be spent better in other ways. it is just different ranking of priorities. You may not be a child but your attitude about not understanding that people may not want to spend 15 dollar a month sub IS CHILDISH.

 

None of the models can really be called a greedy model - if the company can survive. We have seen many a sub game go down while a B2P game, like GW1 survived.

In a F2P game, someone is being greedy. The consumer or the company. Either the consumer isn't supporting the company by not buying anything, or the company is being greedy and the consumer is dumping loads on the cashop. 

Your misinterpreting what I'm saying. Yes I could think of a million other things I would rather spend $15 dollars on, but I am more willing to spend $15 dollars on a sub fee to support a game (I know what I am getting with this) then I am going into a F2P/B2P game not knowing if the person next to me spent a $100 on the game to buy gems and then sell those gems to buy armor off the broker, putting him well ahead of me. That is the defintion of P2W. 

Unless a Cashop is strictly Cosmetic, it will be P2W. 

P2P is the least greedy business model around. Sure the people that can't afford 15$ a month are going to be pretty pissed they can't access the game, but like I said, if you can't come up with 15$ a month priorities need to be rearranged because your probably unemployed. 

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  Crazerage

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9/19/12 11:41:09 AM#109
My thoughts exactly! We should all be happy there's more than one good mmo to go to.  I will support both guildwars2 and mop. 
  JimmyYO

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9/19/12 11:43:10 AM#110
People aren't abandoning WoW because of GW2, heck GW2 won't even keep casuals busy for more then 3-4months. If MoP doesn't sell as well it's because people don't want to play Kung Fu Panda ripoffs made for 5 year olds.
  rygard49

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9/19/12 12:02:10 PM#111
Originally posted by JimmyYO
People aren't abandoning WoW because of GW2, heck GW2 won't even keep casuals busy for more then 3-4months. If MoP doesn't sell as well it's because people don't want to play Kung Fu Panda ripoffs made for 5 year olds.

I'm obligated to inform you that Blizzard had Kung Fu Pandas before Kung Fu Pandas existed in cinema. They officially are not ripping off Pandaria from the Kung Fu Panda movies.

 

Originally posted by halflife25

I bought 3 copies since i and both of my brothers are goign to play MOP at release. We are also playing GW2 together. But what i am getting is at a lot of  us can play both games at same time one being B2P and all. Why it has to be a competition between the two?

What will happen if say MOP outsells GW2 or if it fails to outsell GW2?

Because GW2 developers have declared it to be a competition with statements like, and I'm paraphrasing, GW1 was number two to WoW so now they want to GW2 to beat WoW.

  trenshod

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9/19/12 12:10:43 PM#112
Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Blizzard is just better than Anet, they made a gimicky game that just gets boring. Annual sub that extends well past the release of MoP so I'm playing. Pre-orded the digital collectors and will continue to put money towards Blizzard games. I'll give it to Anet for bucking the normal system but I'm sorry they fell short on longevity. I can't motivate myself to play the game any more.

  Shadoed

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9/20/12 7:14:00 AM#113
Originally posted by Vunak23

P2P is the least greedy business model around. Sure the people that can't afford 15$ a month are going to be pretty pissed they can't access the game, but like I said, if you can't come up with 15$ a month priorities need to be rearranged because your probably unemployed. 

Wow, that is a hugely ignorant statement to make! I, and i would presume most other people (apart from you it would seem) will know someone who works damned hard in their life but still live on the bread line and in this day and age with the economy the way it is, it is through no fault of their own. Finding $15/month for a game would be the last thing on their minds, actually no, wouldn't even feature on a list of things to consider paying for when you are living hand to mouth and need to pay their rent/mortgage, gas, electric, water and local taxes before even considering how they will eat that month!

I really do hope that you never have to face that kind of hardship in your lifetime.

On topic, had my two copies as confirmed to be on their way to me, so here's looking forward to next week.

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  Xiaoki

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9/20/12 11:37:17 AM#114


Originally posted by rygard49
I'm obligated to inform you that Blizzard had Kung Fu Pandas before Kung Fu Pandas existed in cinema. They officially are not ripping off Pandaria from the Kung Fu Panda movies.

And Im obligated to inform you that was in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne.


Do you think any of the people saying "HUR HUR Kung Fu Panda rip off" even knew Warcraft existed back in 2003? Or were even old enough to play video games?

  rygard49

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9/20/12 11:42:32 AM#115
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by rygard49
I'm obligated to inform you that Blizzard had Kung Fu Pandas before Kung Fu Pandas existed in cinema. They officially are not ripping off Pandaria from the Kung Fu Panda movies.


And Im obligated to inform you that was in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne.

 


Do you think any of the people saying "HUR HUR Kung Fu Panda rip off" even knew Warcraft existed back in 2003? Or were even old enough to play video games?

*shrug* They should be informed and corrected when they're making a false statement, whether through ignorance or intent.

  NomadMorlock

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9/20/12 11:46:10 AM#116
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by rygard49
I'm obligated to inform you that Blizzard had Kung Fu Pandas before Kung Fu Pandas existed in cinema. They officially are not ripping off Pandaria from the Kung Fu Panda movies.


And Im obligated to inform you that was in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne.

 


Do you think any of the people saying "HUR HUR Kung Fu Panda rip off" even knew Warcraft existed back in 2003? Or were even old enough to play video games?

What other people know or do not know, does not make you less wrong. 

  Rusque

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9/20/12 11:51:37 AM#117
Originally posted by Shadoed
Originally posted by Vunak23

P2P is the least greedy business model around. Sure the people that can't afford 15$ a month are going to be pretty pissed they can't access the game, but like I said, if you can't come up with 15$ a month priorities need to be rearranged because your probably unemployed. 

Wow, that is a hugely ignorant statement to make! I, and i would presume most other people (apart from you it would seem) will know someone who works damned hard in their life but still live on the bread line and in this day and age with the economy the way it is, it is through no fault of their own. Finding $15/month for a game would be the last thing on their minds, actually no, wouldn't even feature on a list of things to consider paying for when you are living hand to mouth and need to pay their rent/mortgage, gas, electric, water and local taxes before even considering how they will eat that month!

I really do hope that you never have to face that kind of hardship in your lifetime.

On topic, had my two copies as confirmed to be on their way to me, so here's looking forward to next week.

What a crock. If someone has an internet connection and they're on hard times, they shouldn't be devoting time to videos games, they should be applying to jobs nonstop.  And if you're on such hard times that you're wondering where food will come from, it's time to call the cable company and have them turn off your connection. That's money that could be feeding your or paying your basic necessities.

You're looking at an extremely niche group who has just enough money to pay for basic necessities, and their only remaining disposable income is for an internet connection. On top of that tiny group, these poor people you're talking about are also MMO gamers.

If you have enough money for entertainment purposes, you would be well served to pay $15 a month for a video game or netflix as that is about the cheapest entertainment you can buy. If you are in a desperate situation like the one you describe, then you need to turn off that internet and go to the public library and use it for free.

  Scypheroth87

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9/20/12 11:53:41 AM#118

sooo GW2 sold 2 million ok....now how much has WoW sold? this includes Vanilla, BC, Wrath and Cata....who wins now? If your going to compair GW2 to WoW in sales mind as well includ the entire WoW game not just ONE single expansion.....so what is that then 14million? 20million sold for WoW? Like to see GW2 beat that....thought thouse numbers are just outta my head....

 

here r some real numbers not shur how accurate but shows wow has sold over 33Million copies of WoW including expansions TOTAL, makes GW2's 2 million looks like a poor man pissing in the wind....

http://www.statisticbrain.com/blizzard-entertainment-statistics/

  Dihoru

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9/20/12 12:11:10 PM#119
Originally posted by Scypheroth87

sooo GW2 sold 2 million ok....now how much has WoW sold? this includes Vanilla, BC, Wrath and Cata....who wins now? If your going to compair GW2 to WoW in sales mind as well includ the entire WoW game not just ONE single expansion.....so what is that then 14million? 20million sold for WoW? Like to see GW2 beat that....thought thouse numbers are just outta my head....

 

here r some real numbers not shur how accurate but shows wow has sold over 33Million copies of WoW including expansions TOTAL, makes GW2's 2 million looks like a poor man pissing in the wind....

http://www.statisticbrain.com/blizzard-entertainment-statistics/

Gotta figure no one comes close to WoW http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32985/NCsofts_Annual_Revenues_Rise_While_Profits_Sink.php#.UFtMaFFuulA yeah... go blow your nose somewhere else junior before anyone whips out the Everquest stats, WoW is a shit clone of its predeceors while Guild Wars 2 is an iteration on the Lineage/Everquest model which improves it from every possible angle.

  Omnifish

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9/20/12 12:24:13 PM#120
Originally posted by Leethe

WoW has something like 6 million western players? Why would anyone not expect it to sell at least that much?

I realize this thread is some sort of pissing contest but is there anyone who really feels that  Pandaland will not outsell GW2? And why are we comparing a game to an expansion of an already existing game?

It's not difficult to understand.

ANET have already stated that they are aiming at simiar markets as WoW caters to.  With the new expansion five days away, this will be the first time anyone who watches the market can see if GW2 has any affect on WoW's expansion numbers, or on the other hand GW2 suddenly takes a dip in active players, after release.

Of course it's highly unaccurate, we are all just theorizing.  There are any numbers of other factors for retention or failing targets, which people could come up with.

As for the OP I'm doubtful it'll do as well as Cata did first 24 hours, which will make it difficult to gauge how many are sold, (publishers tend to not post numbers unless they've beaten previous records, so you may have to wait for the quarterly reports).  However I would say MOP will outsell GW2 eventually as frankly there are more Blizzard fanbois then haters and plenty of them, while not as enthuastic as previous expansions, will buy this MOP anyway.

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

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