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If you haven't read the interview with Smedley see here. Also, there's a thread discussing what Smedley said here.
The purpose of this thread, and poll, is to ask the burning question. "Do you trust SOE to make a quality "Sandbox" title that isn't PayToWin, and doesn't spit all over its players?"
So far SOE's track record is filled with nothing but themeparks, SOE destroying SWG, failing hard with Vanguard, and ignoring Planetside 1 to death (SWG being their own "Sandbox" title, and Planetside 1 their other non-Themepark title being an MMOFPS can't really be called a sandbox).
So, what do you think :)?
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9/18/12 8:26:20 PM#2
Seriously with a statement like "Can SOE be trusted...." the answer is No doesn't matter what else is said after that.
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Originally posted by Yizle Are you saying the poll is biased against SOE into forcing people to vote No? When a company like SOE does the things it does there isn't any way to say it postively without sounding like a paid shrill.
However, I voted undecided as Smedley has, oddly enough, changed his tone on a LOT of stuff. A lot of rumors about how poorly their themeparks are doing was circulating at the last SOE Fanfest. The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: |
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9/18/12 8:30:01 PM#4
+1 for SoE: they have done it before +1 for SoE: no Lucas Arts to appease this tie around -1 for SoE: no Raph Koster this time
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9/18/12 8:30:13 PM#5
I will give 'em a chance (desperate times and all-) but voted undecided. I hate SOE but feel SWG was destroyed by LA. Not trying to spark that issue but... That aside I could list pages upon pages of things SOE has mucked up-But if they are going to attempt a sandbox I will try it. Tired of amature devs being the only ones- This could be decent at leat until an Xpac or two when it WILL get mucked up. lol |
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9/18/12 8:33:28 PM#6
Originally posted by SaintPhilip i laughed and i agree EQNext press http://EQ3Wire.com EQ2: Freeport server |
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9/18/12 8:35:59 PM#7
After what I've seen from SWG, and to some extent, Planetside 2.... yes.
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Loktofeit
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EVE in 2013 - DUST 514, CSM8, Fanfest, 10th Anniversary, Uprising, Odyssey. Gonna be a good year :) |
9/18/12 8:38:17 PM#8
Never let truth get in the way of an agenda, bro. filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding. |
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Tardcore
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"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post." |
9/18/12 8:39:09 PM#9
Considering SOE's past history, I'm going to have to say a big FUCK NO!
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . " |
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9/18/12 8:48:17 PM#10
Originally posted by Tardcore 2 years ago I think I would have fully agreed with you. I WANT to agree with you. In FACT I think its foolish NOT to agree with you. But damn man... At this point I have thrown money at every "sandbox" attempt out there. I have wasted hours TRYING to like a game and overlook placeholder features and bugs on top of bugs on top of bugs. SOE or not- If this is going to be a quality Sandbox with a decent featureset- They get another chance from me. Will I get burned? Probably. But I really want a well made sandbox title and this seems like the best chance there is at this point. |
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9/18/12 8:54:13 PM#11
Originally posted by Fadedbomb No what I am saying is SOE can never be trusted.
Here I will make it easier for you to understand... Saying Yes you can trust SOE is like saying it feels good to roll around in fire ant beds. |
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9/18/12 9:00:26 PM#12
Is SOE producing a sandbox of some sort that I'm not aware of. PS2 and EQNext are not gonna be sandboxes (although EQNext could be a themebox but I have a bad feeling it'll be even more WoWish than any previous iteration).
So if they are not producing a sandbox what is the point of this thread again? |
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9/18/12 9:11:57 PM#13
PS2 is likely to be a themepark/sandbox hybrid PS2 is supposed to have sandbox elements - w player created bases that can be destroyed
Is there really an untapped market for sandbox MMOs? Smed offers an answerEQNext press http://EQ3Wire.com EQ2: Freeport server |
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Originally posted by Nadia Did you miss the link I put to that in my OP :S?
Also, EQ3 (aka: EQ:Next) was said to be an MMO that provides "Emergent Gameplay" by Smedley at the last Fanfest. I can't find a recording of it but I was in the audience when he was asked specifically if EQ3 was going to be "just another WoW-Clone".
Note: he doesn't say Sandbox, so maybe he doesn't understand what "Emergent" means? Anyways that discussion is for the other thread! This one is specifically talking about SOE :# ! The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: |
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9/18/12 9:40:54 PM#15
Yes. Not the best reason but... who else is going to? SOE is much more capable at producing AAA quality
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9/18/12 9:47:23 PM#16
Originally posted by mmoguy43 How are they more capable? Maybe a better statement would be they have more funds to back one... doesn't mean they are more capable with their mindset and talent. |
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9/18/12 10:19:57 PM#17
They are saying all the right things about EQN so I would say yes. I would stress that it would be "sandbox-ish" though featuring a seamless world with player generated content, er, "emergent gameplay". I like the idea of both elements being present.
What would seperate SoE from other developers would be their track record for developing higher tech features. Some might laugh at SoEMote... Until you read Georgson's comments about spell weaving in the next EQ. Look at all the features EQ2 has and I would say SoE is more than capable of pulling off a sandbox-ish game. Dear developers, In my humble and inexperienced opinion if I can get through all the content you spent the last 5+ years working on within 6 months you have not done your work justice. Please give me, and everyone else, some tools to create our own content from what you have made so I can stay in your world and appreciate it longer than three weeks before I say "meh". It's a shame and I'd rather not do that to something you put so much of yourself in to. |
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9/18/12 11:10:38 PM#18
I do believe SOE are up to it and it seems to me that Smedley has owned up & learnt from the mistakes, all we can do is wait and see with PS2 & EverQuest Next
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9/18/12 11:28:04 PM#19
Originally posted by Yizle They definitely do NOT have more funds to back one. SoE isnt rolling in the dough, and Sony isnt likely giving them any money after DCUO. If anything, their financial status is a concern, not a benefit.
But in terms of game quality, their track record is above average. EQ is obviously regarded as one of the best, if not the best, pre-themepark games (EQ was neither a sandbox or a themepark, the set of MMORPGs contains more than those two elements) Planetside was a well respected MMOFPS SWG is one of only 3 prominent sandboxes in MMORPG history (UO and EvE) EQ2 at its peak was as good as any themepark And for all its failure, DCUO actually tried to do a more action oriented thing before it was cool to do so and has rebounded from a bad launch. And this is the one that stands as SoEs biggest failure.
5 games, 5 different genres, 4 of the 5 considered good to great.
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9/19/12 2:31:35 AM#20
no developer can make a great sandbox MMO in this age, unless its a game like Second Life.
hybrid is the future.
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