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  Fadedbomb

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OP  9/18/12 8:23:47 PM#1

If you haven't read the interview with Smedley see here.

Also, there's a thread discussing what Smedley said here.

 

 

The purpose of this thread, and poll, is to ask the burning question.

"Do you trust SOE to make a quality "Sandbox" title that isn't PayToWin, and doesn't spit all over its players?"

 

So far SOE's track record is filled with nothing but themeparks, SOE destroying SWG, failing hard with Vanguard, and ignoring Planetside 1 to death (SWG being their own "Sandbox" title, and Planetside 1 their other non-Themepark title being an MMOFPS can't really be called a sandbox).

 

 

So, what do you think :)?

Is SOE capable of producing a Quality AAA "Sandbox"?

Yes
Undecided
No
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  Yizle

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9/18/12 8:26:20 PM#2
Seriously with a statement like "Can SOE be trusted...." the answer is No doesn't matter what else is said after that.
  Fadedbomb

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OP  9/18/12 8:29:11 PM#3
Originally posted by Yizle
Seriously with a statement like "Can SOE be trusted...." the answer is No doesn't matter what else is said after that.

Are you saying the poll is biased against SOE into forcing people to vote No? When a company like SOE does the things it does there isn't any way to say it postively without sounding like a paid shrill.

 

However, I voted undecided as Smedley has, oddly enough, changed his tone on a LOT of stuff. A lot of rumors about how poorly their themeparks are doing was circulating at the last SOE Fanfest.

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  truthhurts

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9/18/12 8:30:01 PM#4

+1 for SoE: they have done it before

+1 for SoE: no Lucas Arts to appease this tie around

-1 for SoE: no Raph Koster this time

 

  SaintPhilip

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9/18/12 8:30:13 PM#5

I will give 'em a chance (desperate times and all-) but voted undecided.

I hate SOE but feel SWG was destroyed by LA. Not trying to spark that issue but... That aside I could list pages upon pages of things SOE has mucked up-But if they are going to attempt a sandbox I will try it. Tired of amature devs being the only ones- This could be decent at leat until an Xpac or two when it WILL get mucked up. lol

  Nadia

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9/18/12 8:33:28 PM#6
Originally posted by SaintPhilip

This could be decent at leat until an Xpac or two when it WILL get mucked up. lol

i laughed and i agree

  TobiasGrey

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9/18/12 8:35:59 PM#7
After what I've seen from SWG, and to some extent, Planetside 2.... yes.
  Loktofeit

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9/18/12 8:38:17 PM#8


So far SOE's track record is filled with nothing but themeparks like Vanguard, Free Realms and SWG. SOE destroying SWG. Well, they really didn't, it was the directive of Lucas Arts that mandated the change, but we're not about to let a little reality get in the way of $OE hate RAWR!  Then SOE followed up with failing hard with Vanguard, and by failing hard, I mean SAVING ITS ASS after Sigil imploded on itself. There's also how they have been ignoring Planetside 1 to death by closing it down years ago like EA, NCSoft or any other publisher would have done. Oh wait... that didn't happen.

 

Never let truth get in the way of an agenda, bro.

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  Tardcore

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9/18/12 8:39:09 PM#9

Considering SOE's past history, I'm going to have to say a big FUCK NO!

 

 

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  SaintPhilip

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9/18/12 8:48:17 PM#10
Originally posted by Tardcore

Considering SOE's past history, I'm going to have to say a big FUCK NO!

 

 

2 years ago I think I would have fully agreed with you.

I WANT to agree with you. In FACT I think its foolish NOT to agree with you.

But damn man... At this point I have thrown money at every "sandbox" attempt out there. I have wasted hours TRYING to like a game and overlook placeholder features and bugs on top of bugs on top of bugs.

SOE or not- If this is going to be a quality Sandbox with a decent featureset- They get another chance from me.

Will I get burned? Probably. But I really want a well made sandbox title and this seems like the best chance there is at this point.

  Yizle

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9/18/12 8:54:13 PM#11
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Yizle
Seriously with a statement like "Can SOE be trusted...." the answer is No doesn't matter what else is said after that.

Are you saying the poll is biased against SOE into forcing people to vote No? When a company like SOE does the things it does there isn't any way to say it postively without sounding like a paid shrill.

 

However, I voted undecided as Smedley has, oddly enough, changed his tone on a LOT of stuff. A lot of rumors about how poorly their themeparks are doing was circulating at the last SOE Fanfest.

No what I am saying is SOE can never be trusted.

 

Here I will make it easier for you to understand... Saying Yes you can trust SOE is like saying it feels good to roll around in fire ant beds.

  BilboDoggins

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9/18/12 9:00:26 PM#12

Is SOE producing a sandbox of some sort that I'm not aware of. PS2 and EQNext are not gonna be sandboxes (although EQNext could be a themebox but I have a bad feeling it'll be even more WoWish than any previous iteration).

 

So if they are not producing a sandbox what is the point of this thread again?

  Nadia

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9/18/12 9:11:57 PM#13

PS2 is likely to be a themepark/sandbox hybrid

PS2 is supposed to have sandbox elements - w player created bases that can be destroyed

 

 Is there really an untapped market for sandbox MMOs? Smed offers an answer

  Fadedbomb

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OP  9/18/12 9:16:18 PM#14
Originally posted by Nadia

PS2 is likely to be a themepark/sandbox hybrid

PS2 is supposed to have sandbox elements - w player created bases that can be destroyed

 

 Is there really an untapped market for sandbox MMOs? Smed offers an answer

Did you miss the link I put to that in my OP :S?

 

 

Also, EQ3 (aka: EQ:Next) was said to be an MMO that provides "Emergent Gameplay" by Smedley at the last Fanfest. I can't find a recording of it but I was in the audience when he was asked specifically if EQ3 was going to be "just another WoW-Clone".

 

Note: he doesn't say Sandbox, so maybe he doesn't understand what "Emergent" means? Anyways that discussion is for the other thread! This one is specifically talking about SOE :# !

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  mmoguy43

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9/18/12 9:40:54 PM#15
Yes. Not the best reason but... who else is going to? SOE is much more capable at producing AAA quality sandbox emergent gameplay than other MMO devs.

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

  Yizle

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9/18/12 9:47:23 PM#16
Originally posted by mmoguy43
Yes. Not the best reason but... who else is going to? SOE is much more capable at producing AAA quality sandbox emergent gameplay than other MMO devs.

How are they more capable? 

Maybe a better statement would be they have more funds to back one... doesn't mean they are more capable with their mindset and talent.

  Aelious

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9/18/12 10:19:57 PM#17
They are saying all the right things about EQN so I would say yes. I would stress that it would be "sandbox-ish" though featuring a seamless world with player generated content, er, "emergent gameplay". I like the idea of both elements being present.

What would seperate SoE from other developers would be their track record for developing higher tech features. Some might laugh at SoEMote... Until you read Georgson's comments about spell weaving in the next EQ. Look at all the features EQ2 has and I would say SoE is more than capable of pulling off a sandbox-ish game.
  dustyhayes

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9/18/12 11:10:38 PM#18
I do believe SOE are up to it and it seems to me that Smedley has owned up & learnt from the mistakes, all we can  do is wait and see with PS2 & EverQuest Next
  truthhurts

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9/18/12 11:28:04 PM#19
Originally posted by Yizle
Originally posted by mmoguy43
Yes. Not the best reason but... who else is going to? SOE is much more capable at producing AAA quality sandbox emergent gameplay than other MMO devs.

How are they more capable? 

Maybe a better statement would be they have more funds to back one... doesn't mean they are more capable with their mindset and talent.

They definitely do NOT have more funds to back one.  SoE isnt rolling in the dough, and Sony isnt likely giving them any money after DCUO.  If anything, their financial status is a concern, not a benefit.

 

But in terms of game quality, their track record is above average.  

EQ is obviously regarded as one of the best, if not the best, pre-themepark games (EQ was neither a sandbox or a themepark, the set of MMORPGs contains more than those two elements)

Planetside was a well respected MMOFPS

SWG is one of only 3 prominent sandboxes in MMORPG history (UO and EvE)

EQ2 at its peak was as good as any themepark

And for all its failure, DCUO actually tried to do a more action oriented thing before it was cool to do so and has rebounded from a bad launch.  And this is the one that stands as SoEs biggest failure.

 

5 games, 5 different genres, 4 of the 5 considered good to great.

 

  MMOExposed

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9/19/12 2:31:35 AM#20

no developer can make a great sandbox MMO in this age, unless its a game like Second Life.

 

hybrid is the future.

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