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  Dragonantis

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9/18/12 3:52:32 AM#41
Humans breed like jackrabbits in every fantasy story, thus humans win.
  Dakeru

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9/18/12 3:54:50 AM#42

Asura would win.

This is even part of the Asura storyline about that "mistakes of the past" one.

Slight spoilers:

 

The new leader of the Asura steps through a portal from an alternative future where he reigns the world. He refers to the "Battle of Divnity's Reach" - the day when the last human nation fell.

  Xasapis

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9/18/12 3:59:02 AM#43
The dredge would win. Once the other races would devastate the world above, they'll emerge as sole survivors like a GW2 version of roaches.
  Kuinn

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9/18/12 5:52:49 AM#44
Originally posted by Xasapis
The dredge would win. Once the other races would devastate the world above, they'll emerge as sole survivors like a GW2 version of roaches.

 

This is the most likely scenario, not to mention there's propably even more Dredge than there is Skritt... Then again, there seems to be tons of Centaur too, but they cant hide underground though :)

  Acidon

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9/18/12 6:07:42 AM#45
Originally posted by prpshrt
Asura...? Not that I can even see any of the races being at war given the fact that they've got massive dragons breathing down their nations' necks

Whooooooooooosh!

 

Anyway, I don't play GW2, but this is fun (You should have made a poll!)

 

From what I know, i would vote the Norn.  I agree with previous posters in regard to their acclimation to their rough, cold country.  I picture how much the huge army suffered in the Seeker series from being used to a hot climate.  The winter devastated them due to not knowing how to survive in the harsh climate.

 

Again, Polls are fun!

Interesting answers.  I know I don't play, but it's still an interesting topic.

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  Zeroxin

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9/18/12 6:19:18 AM#46
Originally posted by Yamota

Charr. They have the strongest most fanatical warriors and do not seem to be afraid to take losses. Can't see them being stopped by any single race, they would have to gang up on them.

Asura and Sylvari would go first as they are weak, followed by humans. Norn would last longest but in the end would succum to the Charr hordes.

Heh, sorry to burst that bubble but the Norn and the Charr have fought already. During the time when the Charr and Humans were still at war, the Charr wanted passage through Norn territory (I can't remember the story too well but... ). I believe there was some disagreement and the Charr and Norn ended up in a fight. The Norns won that one and since then the Charr and Norn have nothing but respect for one another... At least I think that's how the story went.

This is not a game.

  Johnie-Marz

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9/18/12 6:23:02 AM#47
 
  Johnie-Marz

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9/18/12 6:24:14 AM#48
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz
Originally posted by TheScavenger

No other conflicts, and no other player involved. This is all hypothetical, and if it was "AI vs AI" so to speak

Humans

Sylvari

Charr

Norn

Asura

 

 

With the Charr being so dangerous, the humans, Aura and Slyvari would make a quick alliance and take the biggest threat down first.

With the Charr gone, the alliance of three would then take out the Norn.

As the victory over the Norn complete, the Humans would sneak attack the Slyvari as they celebrate.

In spite please for help from the Slyvari, the Asura would hole up during the Sylvari/Human conflict preparing for the enevitable war with the humans.

With the Asura now fresh and the Humans battle weary after their victory over the Sylvari, the Asura would take out the humans in a quick but bloody war.

Victor: Asura

That is my completely uneducated guess.

 

 

  aRtFuLThinG

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9/18/12 5:58:48 PM#49
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by KingJiggly
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

I think this debate is somewhat trivial because in ANY fantasy mmo settings and in ANY lore, humans will ALWAYS win if there was a race war.

It is ALWAYS because humans are the most populus, prolific and adaptable race in any game settings, even though they lack any special attributes.

And in terms of the games itself, look at how many players roll humans compare to any other race and you'll see that the numerical superiority is simply way too much versus any other race.

Yeah, except Arenanet turned that on its head and made humans the race who are on the decline.  D:

So did Tolkien... you know LORD OF THE F***EN RINGS. XD

Not only him, there are plenty of books where the human race is on decline.

But if we think from a more realistic viewpoint then the bad guy wins surprisingly often which never happens in books and movies (ok, almost never).

The whole decline point I think is also moot because even IF on the decline, there are more humans than ANY other races.

Decline means their political power is in decline, which is inconsequential, because in most fantasy/sci-fi settings humans also tends to fight more civil wars than any other race too, and that is usually because of diversity and politics. Numbers still wins the day in a war of extermination if you talking about race as a whole.

Just look at how many vendors and NPCs are humans, also how many Risens and Orrs comes from humans as oppose to any other races.

Numerically, no chance.

You all seems to forget that most fantasy/science fiction is always going to be human-centric because, afterall, we ARE humans.

  Rokurgepta

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9/18/12 6:08:59 PM#50
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by KingJiggly
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

I think this debate is somewhat trivial because in ANY fantasy mmo settings and in ANY lore, humans will ALWAYS win if there was a race war.

It is ALWAYS because humans are the most populus, prolific and adaptable race in any game settings, even though they lack any special attributes.

And in terms of the games itself, look at how many players roll humans compare to any other race and you'll see that the numerical superiority is simply way too much versus any other race.

Yeah, except Arenanet turned that on its head and made humans the race who are on the decline.  D:

So did Tolkien... you know LORD OF THE F***EN RINGS. XD

Not only him, there are plenty of books where the human race is on decline.

But if we think from a more realistic viewpoint then the bad guy wins surprisingly often which never happens in books and movies (ok, almost never).

The whole decline point I think is also moot because even IF on the decline, there are more humans than ANY other races.

Decline means their political power is in decline, which is inconsequential. Numbers still wins the day in a war of extermination.

Just look at how many vendors and NPCs are humans, also how many Risens comes from humans as oppose to any other races.

Numerically, no chance.

You all seems to forget that most fantasy/science fiction is always going to be human-centric because, afterall, we ARE humans.

 No decline does not mean just their political power. The game makes it pretty clear that humans have lost lots of land and since there is no over crowding in what land they have left, they lost tons of people over the last couple centuries.

 

 

  User Deleted
9/18/12 6:13:17 PM#51
I vote Dwarfs, because noone would see it coming.
  Techleo

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Is it over yet...

9/18/12 6:31:55 PM#52

 It would depend on the trigger of the war I suppose. If it was a matter of necessity where as many resources and land needed to be controlled to survive then I suppose the Asura would win. With control of the gates they would simply dominate the world. They could use any number of pathogens and devices to spread mayhem. The gates are weapons in and of themselves. Tuned correctly they explode with such force they would decimate there surroundings. 

However if it was a war of ideals, races would ally. So no one race would win or lose. 

The sylvari also have the immense advantage of knowing such a event is likely coming before it even happens. 

So my answer is, anyone and everyone could win.

  Badaboom

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9/18/12 6:40:02 PM#53
No one, because of gear normalization. 
  1vald2

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9/18/12 6:41:05 PM#54

Grudgingly I have to agree the asuras will win. Reason why: Technology + Magic = OP. While Charr have technology, the only reason why charrs won over humans was because of Titan Magic. So in the end, technology alone won't save the charrs. Sylvari will be a big threat to the asuras due to their possibly fast reproduction rate. But their is one BIG problem with sylvaris: Once the asuras developed a big enough techmagical weapon focused on destroying the PALETREE, then the Sylvaris are no more :)

I don't think I need to waste time explaining why the human race will never win...

But people really do understimate the norn (I don't see any other race having an elder dragon tooth in their city! :P). If we are talking about lore only, the norn are over 9 feet tall and can transform in to their bear/wolf/snow leopard/raven form, which makes them fearsome opponents.

Gotta count in that while charrs are the most warlike nation, the norn fight and find challenges even when they're little kids. And TBH, norns would never think about "war" like other races do but search for glory, and that includes being mercenaries. Asuras being very smart will probably hire them first before any other race does and through their Asura gates they will be able to transport armies anywhere unexpectedly.

Just my thought on this, really interesting thread :)

 

  Rokurgepta

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9/18/12 7:45:14 PM#55
Originally posted by 1vald2

Grudgingly I have to agree the asuras will win. Reason why: Technology + Magic = OP. While Charr have technology, the only reason why charrs won over humans was because of Titan Magic. So in the end, technology alone won't save the charrs. Sylvari will be a big threat to the asuras due to their possibly fast reproduction rate. But their is one BIG problem with sylvaris: Once the asuras developed a big enough techmagical weapon focused on destroying the PALETREE, then the Sylvaris are no more :)

I don't think I need to waste time explaining why the human race will never win...

But people really do understimate the norn (I don't see any other race having an elder dragon tooth in their city! :P). If we are talking about lore only, the norn are over 9 feet tall and can transform in to their bear/wolf/snow leopard/raven form, which makes them fearsome opponents.

Gotta count in that while charrs are the most warlike nation, the norn fight and find challenges even when they're little kids. And TBH, norns would never think about "war" like other races do but search for glory, and that includes being mercenaries. Asuras being very smart will probably hire them first before any other race does and through their Asura gates they will be able to transport armies anywhere unexpectedly.

Just my thought on this, really interesting thread :)

 

 I do believe people are over estimating the Asura gates usefulness if there was a full war between the races. You cant use the gates to transport armies anywhere unexpectedly since the gates have absolute places to start and end from. Lets say the humans choose to destroy the two gates in their city or they just choose to defend them. Not that hard to do since you know exactly where the gate is.

  GrayImpact

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9/18/12 7:52:10 PM#56

Granted i don't know the lore very well.. but from gameplay i can't see why anyone but Asura would win.

They've got the best technology, can control the weather, not to mention a golem would mush a char into dust.

 

We can even teleport around willy nilly, and our city is floating in the air.. Plus we control all modes of transport, portals, waypoints, without us trade would slow down a great deal.

 

Granted a golem is probably not as agile as a live char, but that really doesn't matter when you consider that fur is easy to burn and they can spin spitting out fire in a 360.

 

Also i find it humorous when thinking of a norn fighting an asura, attacking that low must be really really inconvenient to norn.

  Rusque

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9/18/12 8:06:23 PM#57

It depends on the type of war and the goal of the war and who is defending their homeland.

If the goal is total extermination of the opposing race, Asura might be able to create some nutso nuke.

If the Norn are defending, they can probably beat any offensive force. The Russians won by attrition in WWII, Norn could easily do the same. Extremely cold weather is terrible for electronics, so Asura would soon find they are not very effective against the immense Norn who would wipe the floor with them. The Char, being fairly large themselves, would probably starve before the Norn who know how to handle living and rationing in that environment. Humans might be able to adapt, but would eventually become demoralized at the lack of supply and excessive cold. Sylvari may or may not have a special connection to winter, but if we assume they prefer eternal spring, then they would not fare well in Winter.

If it is a war of innovation, then I'll tip my hat to humans. We are a creative and curious race, the Asura are too confident in what they already know to adapt at the rate humans do. Humans are also notorious survivors and guerilla fighters, short of total annihilation, a ground war with humans would get dragged out for ages. Perhaps long enough for the humans to devise a way to win.  Norn out of their home turf would surely suffer against the flexible humans, numbers and greater planning as opposed to brute strength win wars - see Sun Tzu. The Char would be the toughest customers at the Human's door, they have war machines to break down walls, and are very militaristically inclined. It would be a lengthy and bloody war. Slyvari would probably meet their end to some clever pesticide made from common materials (something the Asura wouldn't think of because they have a limited approach in problem solving technology = win).

The Sylvari would be the toughest to face in a battlefield scenario (not home city defense). They are so in tune with nature that they would be able to mask their plans and scout better than any race. Not to mention they could hide their numbers and come from any number of directions. Going against the Sylvari in the open world would be like Vietnam for their enemies.

While I think the Charr are exceptional soldiers, I don't think they have any singular strength which would place them above others in a category.

 

  Daggerjaydo

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9/18/12 8:09:41 PM#58

Quaggan.

 

 

 

 

Really though, going by lore it'd probably be the Norn... In EoTN a handful of norn were as effective as an army of humans and an army of dwarves.

 

 

Otherwise, I'd say Charr, since they're so good at genocide all ready.

  KingJiggly

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9/18/12 8:15:16 PM#59
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by KingJiggly
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

I think this debate is somewhat trivial because in ANY fantasy mmo settings and in ANY lore, humans will ALWAYS win if there was a race war.

It is ALWAYS because humans are the most populus, prolific and adaptable race in any game settings, even though they lack any special attributes.

And in terms of the games itself, look at how many players roll humans compare to any other race and you'll see that the numerical superiority is simply way too much versus any other race.

Yeah, except Arenanet turned that on its head and made humans the race who are on the decline.  D:

So did Tolkien... you know LORD OF THE F***EN RINGS. XD

Not only him, there are plenty of books where the human race is on decline.

But if we think from a more realistic viewpoint then the bad guy wins surprisingly often which never happens in books and movies (ok, almost never).

The whole decline point I think is also moot because even IF on the decline, there are more humans than ANY other races.

Decline means their political power is in decline, which is inconsequential. Numbers still wins the day in a war of extermination.

Just look at how many vendors and NPCs are humans, also how many Risens comes from humans as oppose to any other races.

Numerically, no chance.

You all seems to forget that most fantasy/science fiction is always going to be human-centric because, afterall, we ARE humans.

 No decline does not mean just their political power. The game makes it pretty clear that humans have lost lots of land and since there is no over crowding in what land they have left, they lost tons of people over the last couple centuries.

 

 

In most stories, humans win becuase of something stupid like they believe or what not. In this case however, I doubt humans would win.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation

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I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

9/18/12 8:23:44 PM#60

Asura for sure.

 

While I applaud your question and imagination, I would have to vote for the DEVELOPERS.  You see, they won the very moment they decided to cut and paste the races and classes so that you could take the RPG feel and toss it away, whilst fighting race/class combinations that are the same as your team's.  Anyway - it's a video game, not an mmoRPG (I have to keep reminding myself this so that I keep enjoying the game - I just wish it was on my PS3). 

 

 

Now (here's a dream), imagine if they made ONE server where you could have legitimate 3 faction pvp.  I guess that makes for another question:  what races would the realms have ... but then, we'd need 9 races, eh?

 

Dark Age of Camelot has 44 classes and 24 races spread across 3 realms.  Each realm has its own 1-50 world, it's own castles and territories and you can take a ship from your realm across the sea to the enemy.  Meh, sorry.  I'll shut up now.

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