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News & Features Discussion  » Star Wars: The Old Republic: Ray Muzyka & Greg Zeschuk Retire from BioWare

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  MoeMoeKyun

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9/18/12 7:01:35 PM#61
time to close teh game...
  User Deleted
9/18/12 7:22:34 PM#62
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Code for "We hate what EA has done to BW, so we're gone"

 

If that was the truth they would of gone elsewhere that was video-game related, with the sort of resumé that these guys have they can land a gig anywhere...but it sounds like they're done with videogames in general. 

 

But I say good-luck to them both, I'd say most of us have been touched by a bioware game at some point in our lives, what they've done is still held at the pinnacle when it comes to videogame naratives... Baldurs Gate II, KOTOR, Mass Effect...all shine at the top.  

 
 
  erictlewis

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

9/18/12 7:25:11 PM#63

What I read we are leaving to do other stuff.

Real meaning we are leaving before bioware totaly blows up and we get blamed for it, and we will be back later as something else.

Got news for them they cant be trusted now.

 

  Elikal

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“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

9/18/12 7:34:17 PM#64

And who was the one who said it first?

Who? ^_____^

SAY UNCLE! =P

Good riddance, I say. I guess I can take out the needles of the voodoo dolls for the sheer audacity these guys released THIS as the new Star Wars MMO.

Let's hope they do something more useful now. Like filling shelves at Wal Mart or delivering hot meals to nursing homes.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Gorwe

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9/18/12 7:41:29 PM#65

Lol Greg!

He basically said: "I'd rather be drunk as a Dwarf than work for those demagogues at Evil Arts."

Way to go! Show em who is REALLY necessary here! Hint: it sure as hell is not that scum Riccitello...

Edit: Elikal-why are you exactly rooting for SW if you have a Vulcan as your Avatar(I think it is that one from Enterprise-the one that was ambassador on Earth, yes?)? Just curious...

  CujoSWAoA

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"Pablo Picasso said art is a lie that tells the truth."

9/18/12 7:45:30 PM#66

This absolutely 100% has to do with SW:TOR and the last several releases from Bioware.

Compounded with the final big nail of EA's new Online Only policy.

BioWare was known for its Single Player story-driven experiences that were to be engrossing for a Single Player to carve out their own original story. To hold close to themself.

"The Doctors" never wanted to make Online video games.

  Vercin

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9/18/12 7:45:49 PM#67

while I was still practicing as an ER physician, back when I first realized that the world of video games was my next career ‘chapter’....

That seems like quite a career jump.

The Stranger: It's what people know about themselves inside that makes 'em afraid.

  Elikal

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“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

9/18/12 7:52:00 PM#68
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

This absolutely 100% has to do with SW:TOR and the last several releases from Bioware.

Compounded with the final big nail of EA's new Online Only policy.

BioWare was known for its Single Player story-driven experiences that were to be engrossing for a Single Player to carve out their own original story. To hold close to themself.

"The Doctors" never wanted to make Online video games.

OhCOME ON, give me a break!

Why is always everyone defending these guys? THEY sold their company to EA. NOBODY forced them! They listend to the siren call of BIG BUCKS and gave into money over quality! They spread their legs to EA for money! And to hell with quality games! Did some greater mysterious power force them to do all that? And where they not so enthusiastic over SWTOR and the "great possibilities" with EA and LucasArts?

EA destroyed EVERY SINGLE game studio they bought. An idiot could tell them it would be like this! If you go into bed with the devil you don't have to be surprised if it ends like this! THEY were boss, THEY could have said NO, if EA or LucasArts went a direction they didn't want! And what did they make? One more crappy RPG after another and the catastrophe of SWTOR which now has about 30-45 k active players left!

Ridiculous! It was in their hands, and they failed as big as in this history of games. As in the frigging history of FAIL!

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Leoghan

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Posts: 611

9/18/12 7:56:49 PM#69
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

This absolutely 100% has to do with SW:TOR and the last several releases from Bioware.

Compounded with the final big nail of EA's new Online Only policy.

BioWare was known for its Single Player story-driven experiences that were to be engrossing for a Single Player to carve out their own original story. To hold close to themself.

"The Doctors" never wanted to make Online video games.

If the never wanted to make online games then they shouldn't have and they should have walked away from things earlier if they didn't want to be involved. I certainly doubt they are unhappy about the money those online games made them. 

  SimonVDH

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9/18/12 9:02:35 PM#70

The only thing that I don't understand, is the fact, that people actually though Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins were great games and, later, those people kept buying DA2, ME2, ME3.

I think that Mr Zeschuk and Muzyka should've retired as soon as they sold Bioware, but they can obviously do whatever they want. Nobody should be mad or sad about this, becouse new people with great talent and fresh ideas will emerge in game industry and create new, original, inspiring, intriguing, or simply 'fun' games. The end of one thing is always the beggining of another.

  Golelorn

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Joined: 4/23/03
Posts: 1030

9/18/12 9:04:59 PM#71
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Code for "We hate what EA has done to BW, so we're gone"

Nailed it.

  User Deleted
9/18/12 9:10:09 PM#72

mmmmm

beer

seriously

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - beer

 

  Gamefun

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Joined: 6/30/12
Posts: 291

Long Term MMORPG'er. 1999-2012.

9/18/12 9:13:49 PM#73
I really hope EA goes bankrupt and is never able to restart again. EA is the most terrible game company to ever walk the face of the planet, all they do is destroy games they buy out or get there greedy little hands on. I would ditch Bioware as well if I knew EA destroyed one of the biggest IP's in the gaming industry.
  Gamefun

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Long Term MMORPG'er. 1999-2012.

9/18/12 9:15:28 PM#74
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

This absolutely 100% has to do with SW:TOR and the last several releases from Bioware.

Compounded with the final big nail of EA's new Online Only policy.

BioWare was known for its Single Player story-driven experiences that were to be engrossing for a Single Player to carve out their own original story. To hold close to themself.

"The Doctors" never wanted to make Online video games.

OhCOME ON, give me a break!

Why is always everyone defending these guys? THEY sold their company to EA. NOBODY forced them! They listend to the siren call of BIG BUCKS and gave into money over quality! They spread their legs to EA for money! And to hell with quality games! Did some greater mysterious power force them to do all that? And where they not so enthusiastic over SWTOR and the "great possibilities" with EA and LucasArts?

EA destroyed EVERY SINGLE game studio they bought. An idiot could tell them it would be like this! If you go into bed with the devil you don't have to be surprised if it ends like this! THEY were boss, THEY could have said NO, if EA or LucasArts went a direction they didn't want! And what did they make? One more crappy RPG after another and the catastrophe of SWTOR which now has about 30-45 k active players left!

Ridiculous! It was in their hands, and they failed as big as in this history of games. As in the frigging history of FAIL!

I completely agree with you. You nailed it.

  mmoguy43

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Joined: 3/31/09
Posts: 2258

9/18/12 9:23:03 PM#75

Sad.

Can't blaim them for throwing in the towel. I mean really, who wants to keep working in an extremely volitile industry where the people you are making the games for hate you.

  Vlhad77

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9/18/12 9:23:42 PM#76
Originally posted by MMOGamer71

The hits just keep on coming with BW and EA.

 

Hope to see these two again with a real SW MMO.

yep totally agree with ya, but i dont feel sorry for them, they was warned that EA was gonna screw BW over and look what happened.

  Talin

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You only live once... make it count!

9/18/12 9:24:25 PM#77

Retiring in my 40s sounds good to me.

I suspect one or both of them will resurface in the gaming industry once whatever NDA they signed with EA runs out. If nothing else, they should have enough money to treat game development as a hobby now, not a career. I could see their next venture similar to Runic games where they will go back to their "roots" and create some great single-player RPG games (with LAN or matchmaking support potentially). Only time will tell. 

  Gamefun

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9/18/12 9:25:40 PM#78
Originally posted by mmoguy43

Sad.

Can't blaim them for throwing in the towel. I mean really, who wants to keep working in an extremely volitile industry where the people you are making the games for hate you.

If EA would stop destroying big name-IP games, maybe people wouldn't hate them?, it's bad enough that their support is non existent and the customer service is completely rude, not to mention all the greedy higher ups in EA's office. EA deserves it, the only people to blame is themselves.

 

Oh I forgot to add, EA forced Bioware to merge servers with random name changes for Star Wars The Old Republic, meaning people didn't get to keep there names at all. There wasn't even an announcement. I wonder what server my Sith is on, oh well, I'll never touch another EA product again after this. It's the last straw.

  eddieg50

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9/18/12 9:44:25 PM#79
  Thank you guys for giving me many, many hours of gaming pleasure
  shava

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9/18/12 9:47:42 PM#80

Yeah, well, don't get totally pissy at the boyz.  What this means is, they just finished negotiating their ransom note.  The clock just started ticking.

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that what this means is that they are leaving under a non-compete agreement with EA that says you may not work for any videogame company for X years.  And that they are going to play with beer podcasts or whatever for EXACTLY (X*12 months)+0 days and then surface with venture capital money with a new gaming company.

Those agreements generally include a confidentiality clause, so it's not like they can say in a press release, "Yo, EA sucks y'all, and we are cooling our jets for two years [or whatever] just so we can rise again and bite them in the ass.  Please hold the date for the party."

Anyone willing to put dollars up against this happy box of Dunkins I got here?

Bioware is dead.  Long live Bioware to come, whatever the new name is going to be.

 

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