So with all the great classic MMO's that have gone F2P and with all the new MMO's that come out F2P for B2P WoW seems be the only one left that is still standing tall that is successful at be a P2P game. I can not think of any other title out now or that will be coming out that is offering P2P?? If you know of any please mention. But in all honesty have they stood the test of time like WoW?

With a player base well in the millions still and holding steady can any sub base game claim the same success?

no not really

Only ones that kinda did were UO, DAoC, and Runescape imo...they lasted long as sub base before switching.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Only? since you've been playing MMO's or what? So many other games had subs and could be considered succesful. You don't have to have over 10 billion sold to have a succesful burger joint.

Pls give examples of other successful mmo's todate that are still F2P? Im sorry I just cant think of any right now.

Originally posted by Kyleran
See EVE, the other white meat.......

this :)

Originally posted by Isturi
So we have EVE and Rift. OK good examples but compared to WoW how do they stand?

I've kinda mentally disqualified WoW from comparisons. It's in a class of it's own, and thus should be treated as such.

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by Isturi
So we have EVE and Rift. OK good examples but compared to WoW how do they stand?

I've kinda mentally disqualified WoW from comparisons. It's in a class of it's own, and thus should be treated as such.

Exactly so would by WoW standing in a class of its's own then set the standards or have set the standards for all to follow? Also would this make WoW the best MMO of all time?

You may or may not like it but FFXI still p2p 300k strong been around for about 10 years not as big as wows but still doing well.

a mmo only needs to stand next to itself for being successful

is it more successful than years earler ?

Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Everquest...

Recently went free to play and I agree def stood the test of time as well.

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by Isturi
So we have EVE and Rift. OK good examples but compared to WoW how do they stand?

I've kinda mentally disqualified WoW from comparisons. It's in a class of it's own, and thus should be treated as such.

Exactly so would by WoW standing in a class of its's own then set the standards or have set the standards for all to follow? Also would this make WoW the best MMO of all time?

Wait, are you asking me if WoW set the standards for others to follow, or something else? Your post is weirdly worded.

Empirically, it cannot be denied that WoW is the most successful MMO of all time.   That fact is beyond rational dispute.

I played it on and off for a couple of years from release and would rank it as one of the best in its hey day.

What I have always said for the last serveral years is, best pve mmo ever is EQ, best pvp mmo is DAoC, and best mmo to combine the two into one is WoW.

That was before it turned into what it is now.  Now I wouldn't play it if you paid me.

Also, WoW's long term affect on the genre is questionable.  Its kind of like golf.  At one time, it was a gentlemen's game played by a few who knew the rules, showed proper etiquette, and the courses weren't so crowded.  Now courses are packed with people who aren't necessarily gentleman and who couldn't define the word etiquette if their life depended on it.  The game is a lot more popular and mainstream...but is that a good thing?

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by Isturi
So we have EVE and Rift. OK good examples but compared to WoW how do they stand?

I've kinda mentally disqualified WoW from comparisons. It's in a class of it's own, and thus should be treated as such.

Exactly so would by WoW standing in a class of its's own then set the standards or have set the standards for all to follow? Also would this make WoW the best MMO of all time?

Wait, are you asking me if WoW set the standards for others to follow, or something else? Your post is weirdly worded.

Sorry did not mean to be confusing. All I am asking is your thought of how you or others may feel about WoW being a sub based game and still on top. Or also as mention is it a class by it's own right?

Originally posted by Isturi

 

Exactly so would by WoW standing in a class of its's own then set the standards or have set the standards for all to follow? Also would this make WoW the best MMO of all time?

Ford Focus has the record for most models sold, is it the best car of all time ?

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/ford-focus-becomes-world-best-selling-car-350-134057072.html

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Empirically, it cannot be denied that WoW is the most successful MMO of all time.   That fact is beyond rational dispute.

I played it on and off for a couple of years from release and would rank it as one of the best in its hey day.

What I have always said for the last serveral years is, best pve mmo ever is EQ, best pvp mmo is DAoC, and best mmo to combine the two into one is WoW.

That was before it turned into what it is now.  Now I wouldn't play it if you paid me.

Also, WoW's long term affect on the genre is questionable.  Its kind of like golf.  At one time, it was a gentlemen's game played by a few who knew the rules, showed proper etiquette, and the courses weren't so crowded.  Now courses are packed with people who aren't necessarily gentleman and who couldn't define the word etiquette if their life depended on it.  The game is a lot more popular and mainstream...but is that a good thing?

I agree WoW is obviously the most succesful of all time, but that doesn't make it good. It's like fast food. It's cheap and easy, and does the job, but I'd rather cook a burger on my grill. I tried it, and played  a couple of days. It wasn't bad it was just too simplified for my taste. I was coming fresh off of SWG, and EQ1 as my last two MMO's and it just felt too much like Kindergarten.