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  someforumguy

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9/15/12 2:51:38 PM#61

I'm pretty sure that I never have been a hardcore gamer according to the OP's definition. For my job I can be hardcore maybe, but definately not in a game.

A hamster doesn't know any better so it keeps running that wheel. You would expect humans to know better. But some ppl even think it is important to keep endlessly going in a game lol and then talk about it as if it is some accomplishment.

  User Deleted
9/15/12 2:53:24 PM#62
Originally posted by Hyp47
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Depends on which definition of "hardcore" you employ and that is a large discussion in itself.

hardcore for me is pretty much any gamer who spends most of his free time for gaming

Keep in mind that when I say hardcore I am talking about those who have left to return to WoW.

Hardcore for me is in PVE someone who'd rather wait to see if enough people decided to show for a raid, yells at the weaker raiders because they stood in the fire again, and enjoys repeating the same series of events just to do it again next week because  their drop didn't occur due to a bad drop algrithm that no one's bothered to update since 2001.

Hardcore PVP are those who would rather use macros and gear as their advantage rather then skill and strategy to defeat other players or to spend their time with this gear ganking players coming out of the newb zones with freshly made characters.

Hardcore crafters are simply those who would like to get into a game that gave them an unfair advantage so they could corner the market on anything necessary to make their characters rich before anyone else had the chance of doing so.

So I lend little credence to hardcore players of this kind when they claim that this game sucks in their rage quit threads.  

  dariuszp

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9/15/12 2:54:13 PM#63
Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Your English is fine =)

I, however, completley disagree with everything else . LOL. I honestly do not see how GW2 is a game of skill, brains and hardcore.

Well cut down PVE that is easy like in almost every MMO out there and you have something that require skills. PVP is great in this game (well GW1 was PVP oriented so it's something to be expected). Dungeons are fine and we already have whiners that thing - it's too hard. 

Events and bosses are also fine but right now there is too many people on low lvl so everything is just a zerg fest.

I see this game as something good once I encounter stuff like yesterday. Even in small cave, around 15 players dead and another 15 fighting for their lives. Some start healing, some start reviving and rest was trying to take down enemies so we could revive more people.

For me hardcore game is a game when I can really use my skills and I will not lose because someone spend 100 hours playing this game in just one week. And GW2 is game like that. When I fight someone - win or loose is all about me dodging and taking hits. If I dodge/kite/cc more and do more damage - it's my win. 

And not me or my enemy could say that I won just because I have better gear. 

  Isawa

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9/15/12 2:54:44 PM#64

Pretty sure "going back to wow" is for folks who could use some examaning of their lives and why they do that. Haven't played that game since Burning Crusade.

The most "hardcore" games out there are probably sandbox ones, where the player base decides the extent of that word...Going out on a cross planet hunting trip in SWG was probably the most "hardcore" experience I've had.

  Mothanos

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9/15/12 2:55:43 PM#65

There is one hardcore game in the market and thats Eve, and it has wear that crown since launch in 2003.

WoW = hardcore ? you realy made a fool of yourself there m8.

Boot up Eve and i bet 90% wont even make it past the tutorial <----let alone be succesfull in a dog eat dog world.


If you mean doing scripted pve in hardmodes, hmm its not hardcore, once you know what to nuke and when to move its on farm.

Or do you mean grinding heroics over and over and over and over and over and over and over on your main then your 9 alts ?

What is hardcore ? define hardcore please ?

  Nadia

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9/15/12 2:58:05 PM#66
Originally posted by rutaq

as a Project Manager in real life I get paid lots of money to do similar activities with IT folks all the time.   Being able to keep people focused, working together and managing / overcoming problems is such a skill that there are entire College degrees and Certificate programs based on it.

Being a Raid Manager uses some similar skills and it can even be more difficult because the others you are managing aren't compelled to do what you say because it is only "a game" so it requires alot of morale and cheerleading skills to boot.

give me a break

i suppose if raids gave no loot - you could still be effective as a "raid manager" ?

 

players are compelled to raid for progression and LOOT

  Yamota

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Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

9/15/12 2:59:08 PM#67
Since when was a western triple A MMORPG for anything but the casual players? Only new MMORPGs which are for hardcore gamers is in the East where the gamer's are not as lazy as us westerners.
  SaintPhilip

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9/15/12 3:07:48 PM#68
Originally posted by Mothanos

There is one hardcore game in the market and thats Eve, and it has wear that crown since launch in 2003.

WoW = hardcore ? you realy made a fool of yourself there m8.

Boot up Eve and i bet 90% wont even make it past the tutorial <----let alone be succesfull in a dog eat dog world.


If you mean doing scripted pve in hardmodes, hmm its not hardcore, once you know what to nuke and when to move its on farm.

Or do you mean grinding heroics over and over and over and over and over and over and over on your main then your 9 alts ?

What is hardcore ? define hardcore please ?

 

 

WOW was hardcore (not sure about now) in the Time investment and skill in putting together the largest raids. Coordanating and practicing with 40+ people, gearing up and raiding some of the harder Dungeons was quite hardcore. Not in the same way as "Eve" is hardcore (a hardcore spreadsheet) and darfall is Hardcore (twitchy and spammy as hell) but hardcore nevertheless.

I never had the patience to complete those raids and I enjoyed Eve quite alot (except being a spaceship) but they were different games.

I know its fashonable to hate on wow (I do it myself) but back in the day it was far more hardcore than anything today (excuuding EVE and some of the Indies- I should have said)

  Beiloch

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9/15/12 3:08:14 PM#69

'hardcore' is difficulty based.

With that we can determine GW2 as well as WoW are most certainly not hardcore. Yes i'm sure some of you think those games might be 'hard' in certain spots or times but in the grand scheme of MMO's these are introductory at best. WoW raiding at any point never touched EQ1/EQ2 raiding since in every aspect that were ratcheted higher. More people needed, more raiding content in general, and outright more difficult.

We can also surmise simply spending a lot of time on a game or doing lots of things (altaholic with all the little achievements for example) doesn't not automatically equate to hardcore since these are just time consuming and not difficult.

  dzoni87

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9/15/12 3:10:53 PM#70
Originally posted by Hyp47
Originally posted by AG-Vuk
More and more, every time a game is released you see someone come along and post this crap. What exactly constitute a game for "Hardcore Gamer's " ? I'm positive I won't get a satisfactory answer.

I tell you my friend.. its all kind of mmo that demands you to raid the same instance a thousand times so you can get the rarest of items that u really need, that "demands" you to kill 1.000.000 mobs to reach the max level.

summin all up its any game that sucks all of your life into that game, which is not the case of Gw2

You werent serious when you wrote that, were you?

  No, game shouldnt suck my life into it. If i would allow that to happen, then it would be my defeat as a grown-up person. I can say "hey, drinks are fine, you should get them all the time. Imagine all the fun they give". No, just no. Its just bad to your health and there are more important things in life than getting drunk all the time. Its fine to have fun and some pleasure activities here and there, but if you become way too dedicated to it, then that will become serious problem.

  If being Hardcore means pathologic addiction, then i pray to god that GW2 dont promote "hardcore" gaming.

Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online

  Oltzu

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9/15/12 3:13:08 PM#71

EVE is hardcore, its not difficult, but it doesnt hold ur hand.

I think thats how u measure how hardcore a game is, how much it holds your hand.

  User Deleted
9/15/12 3:14:52 PM#72
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by rutaq

as a Project Manager in real life I get paid lots of money to do similar activities with IT folks all the time.   Being able to keep people focused, working together and managing / overcoming problems is such a skill that there are entire College degrees and Certificate programs based on it.

Being a Raid Manager uses some similar skills and it can even be more difficult because the others you are managing aren't compelled to do what you say because it is only "a game" so it requires alot of morale and cheerleading skills to boot.

give me a break

i suppose if raids gave no loot - you could still be effective as a "raid manager" ?

 

players are compelled to raid for progression and LOOT

 

Sorry Nadia, but I think rutaq is right. There are so many age/personality differences in MMO's not everyone is motivated by the same thing. Some people will be motivated by progression and loot, but not everyone. Unless you you have experience as a raid leader, you probably wouldn't understand what goes on behind the scenes just to get a raid going. If your experience was easy to get the raid going, then consider yourself lucky, because that is not how it it for most of us.

  AZHokie54

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9/15/12 3:15:34 PM#73
LOL, you think hardcore players play WoW. ROFLMAO!!!!
  EverKing87

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9/15/12 3:17:52 PM#74
oh boy watch out guys we have an elitist here
  SaintPhilip

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9/15/12 3:18:36 PM#75
Originally posted by AZHokie54
LOL, you think hardcore players play WoW. ROFLMAO!!!!

You made yourself look quite 1337 with that awesome comment.

How about reading the whole thing next time and perhaps attempting to comprehend whats written. And then try to ADD something to the conversation beyond 1 sentence which attempts to show how cool you are.

Anyhow....

=)

  immodium

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9/15/12 3:25:05 PM#76
FPS and RTS games can be hardcore, why can't GW2 PvP be hardcore?

  Dibdabs

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9/15/12 3:25:57 PM#77
Originally posted by Hyp47

Thats the truth, thats why we are already seeing "going back to wow" threads n stuff like "bored already" because the game has barely no grinding and makes it fairly easy to achieve things and truly hardcore players dont mind grinding because they know they'll be rewarded for all that painfull hard work and they'll also feel superior to all those players who havent got the time to get that "awesome pvp gear" other games offer... while in gw2... pretty much every1 is at the same level.

So, no doubt this is like the best mmo for any casual player who doesnt spend all the time on gaming.
 

Grinding games are for the easily pleased.  They LOVE "Groundhog Day" games where they can mindlessly repeat exactly what they did the day before, and the day before that... for ever.  They'll happily pay to do so, too!  I pity them.

  GeezerGamer

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9/15/12 3:39:47 PM#78
Originally posted by Hyp47

Thats the truth, thats why we are already seeing "going back to wow" threads n stuff like "bored already" because the game has barely no grinding and makes it fairly easy to achieve things and truly hardcore players dont mind grinding because they know they'll be rewarded for all that painfull hard work and they'll also feel superior to all those players who havent got the time to get that "awesome pvp gear" other games offer... while in gw2... pretty much every1 is at the same level.

So, no doubt this is like the best mmo for any casual player who doesnt spend all the time on gaming.

 

 

Non judgemental and unbiased post?

So how many people Corn Flakes did you just piss in?

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Joriel

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OP  9/15/12 3:40:02 PM#79
Originally posted by dzoni87
Originally posted by Hyp47
Originally posted by AG-Vuk
More and more, every time a game is released you see someone come along and post this crap. What exactly constitute a game for "Hardcore Gamer's " ? I'm positive I won't get a satisfactory answer.

I tell you my friend.. its all kind of mmo that demands you to raid the same instance a thousand times so you can get the rarest of items that u really need, that "demands" you to kill 1.000.000 mobs to reach the max level.

summin all up its any game that sucks all of your life into that game, which is not the case of Gw2

You werent serious when you wrote that, were you?

  No, game shouldnt suck my life into it. If i would allow that to happen, then it would be my defeat as a grown-up person. I can say "hey, drinks are fine, you should get them all the time. Imagine all the fun they give". No, just no. Its just bad to your health and there are more important things in life than getting drunk all the time. Its fine to have fun and some pleasure activities here and there, but if you become way too dedicated to it, then that will become serious problem.

  If being Hardcore means pathologic addiction, then i pray to god that GW2 dont promote "hardcore" gaming.

Oh cmon give me a break, dont be naive, your saying that like most of mmo gamers arent sucked completely to their games......

  Joriel

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OP  9/15/12 3:44:08 PM#80
Originally posted by AZHokie54
LOL, you think hardcore players play WoW. ROFLMAO!!!!

right... like there arent enough no lifers there..

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