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But on a less GW2-tholic note. I do agree with your points. The pve and sPvP separation is my biggest gear grinder. I dont want my spvp to feel like a mnigame or a waiting game. I have LoL and Smite for that.  Also, inability to efficiently level through WvWvW and the fact that mesmer's Mind Stab has been shit on for pvp... but those are unrelated to the current topic..

Originally posted by Dalano

Originally posted by Wootloops

Originally posted by tkoreaper

Please, List all your keybinds in WoW.

So you played 3 of the moot faceroll classes for pvp, good for you. Try an Engineer.

 

From Keybinds

 

I counted 35 ability keybinds (36 if you count mount), and I should really keybind my weapon swaps, which would add 2 more.

Stock UI hotbars with only a handful of macros? DK or not, most serious WoW pvpers have way more complicated setups than this. 

Which is one of the things I find refreshing about GW2 spvp; build choices are real rather than a mirage. The limitation of hotkeys requires you to think and plan much more since you can't bind every tool to your nostromo.

should I mention I use over 50 keybinds on Aion? not consideranting the consumables I click on because it have a 30 min of durantion.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

So you're saying because GW2 =/= WoW that WoW is better?

 

This is the most subjective post i've seen in awhile (short of that top 9 things GW2 does better than other MMO's thread).

 

Not trying to be a jerk, but that is exactly how your thread came off after reading it.

That's the beauty of WoW player logic.  If GW2 was like Warcraft, it would be called a clone and shot down. Now, since it's NOT like Warcraft, it sucks.

You do realize that once you set your auto attack, which can be set to different abilities by the way, it keeps attacking without being pressed while you do other things, so the ability also keeps flashing, giving the appearance of a player pressing that button over and over again. The auto attack is very filler, but as in the video, that player is on most of his abilities as soon as he can when they are up, though it is all very situational. You would not want to blow an ability just to have someone dodge or move right out of it and wait down that cool down again. Have to think tactically here, as there are not an assortment of kill buttons at your disposal.

I play the Guardian as well, and since mitigation is not the name of the game in GW2, avoidance is, you're comparing apples to watermelons in a sense.

Instead of having every ability in a crazy half screened bar graph, I actually have to tactically choose my abilities based on what I am doing and at times a situation in said scenario. PVE in both games is roughly the same, fights are scripted, mobs to certain things at certain times, etc etc, the only difference here is you are the only one who can save yourself from standing somewhere you should not have been.

PVE open world, 2 Handed sword and any secondary weapon, as I do most open world content as AOE damage with a group. Run my Asura racial aoe, pull out Big Perm to keep the champs busy while we wail on em and aoe and control groups of mobs all day long.

WvW I end up running a staff/2Handed sword and hammer run. Again, the hammer is very, how would you say, one trick pony ish, for my group make up. Our thief pulls people off walls, I trap players with the hammer gt and then we control the players movement and take them out. Staff as support and Sword as my weapon of choice.

Dungeons I run a sword/board and sword/mace swap. Mace to help the group, sword to stay in the fight and dish some damage.

Having 10 actions, and ability and weapon choice only controlling 8(Heal and auto attack, or your elite skill) of those bars makes putting a lot of thought into what you are going to use important. I would think understanding how to steer and change your play style around given situations would be far superior than having all your tools thrown at you so you can mash away until something works. (Inherently we all mash away until we figure out what works anyway.)

Once you got your macros down in WoW, be it for raiding or PVP you basically spammed 1-2 buttons, depending on how intense your macros got and watch a meter or a countdown timer somewhere.

In GW2 you have to watch what the enemy(player or NPC) is doing in order to counter, move, reflect or negate the attack. In WoW automation has removed that player element.

Something I would die to see change in GW2 is that your second five abilities change with your weapon swap, so you have a set of abilities per weapon, as some weapons are better suited per situation and some of those abilities go hand in hand with those situations.

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by Wootloops

Originally posted by tkoreaper

Please, List all your keybinds in WoW.

So you played 3 of the moot faceroll classes for pvp, good for you. Try an Engineer.

 

From Keybinds

 

I counted 35 ability keybinds (36 if you count mount), and I should really keybind my weapon swaps, which would add 2 more.

I think it's cool that you like WOW better.  There is nothing wrong with that but, I just wanted to point out the misconception you have about how may skills there are available in GW2.  For example, my engineer:

Pistol Shield build

3- pistol skills

4- Shield skills 2 - but the become 2 other skills when I use them to get a different effect.  So its 4.

Heal skill

5- Med Pack changes all my weapon skills to 5 different skills

1- F-key skill

Utility Skills

5- Elixir gun skills

1- f-Key skill

5- Bomb Kit skills

1- F-key skill

1- Elixir skill

Elite Skill

1- Elite skill

Under Water Skills

5 - Harpoon skills

1- Heal Skill

4- F-key Skills

5 - Grenade Kit Skills

1- turret skill

1- Elixir skill

1- Elite skill

Total skills = 45

It looks like I have more than you.  Weird.  :)

 All you need is autoattack, OP said so.

Originally posted by Wootloops

Originally posted by Master10K

So the only thought you had after watching that vid I linked, was that he was hitting skill 1 a lot.

To think you actually consider yourself a skilled player. Well I'm done here. Going back to this skill-less game with it's 10 skill hot-bar.

Yeah he dodged a bunch, but it's not much different than me knowing when to use my 5 different damage mitigation skills in WoW. It just has a roll animation.

 Made a new name today just to be a WOW lover and a GW2 hater? Congrats on the effort.

Having been playing around with swapping through all my elements as a 22 Ele with daggers, I've found it's the most damage efficient to merely stay in fire and auto attack until 2 is up and then autoattack more. At least with Mesmer swapping weps aided my damage, and it only had one swap option, not four. And the uselessness of the other elements will only get worse as I level and have to allocate traits and specialize. The utilities, mind you, will likely be worth swapping through in PvP, but I'll mostly be autoattacking no matter which element I'm in (Fire the least), leading to boredom.

Perhaps other ele weapons will fare better. We'll see.

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by Wootloops

Originally posted by tkoreaper

Please, List all your keybinds in WoW.

So you played 3 of the moot faceroll classes for pvp, good for you. Try an Engineer.

 

From Keybinds

 

I counted 35 ability keybinds (36 if you count mount), and I should really keybind my weapon swaps, which would add 2 more.

I think it's cool that you like WOW better.  There is nothing wrong with that but, I just wanted to point out the misconception you have about how may skills there are available in GW2.  For example, my engineer:

Pistol Shield build

3- pistol skills

4- Shield skills 2 - but the become 2 other skills when I use them to get a different effect.  So its 4.

Heal skill

5- Med Pack changes all my weapon skills to 5 different skills

1- F-key skill

Utility Skills

5- Elixir gun skills

1- f-Key skill

5- Bomb Kit skills

1- F-key skill

1- Elixir skill

Elite Skill

1- Elite skill

Under Water Skills

5 - Harpoon skills

1- Heal Skill

4- F-key Skills

5 - Grenade Kit Skills

1- turret skill

1- Elixir skill

1- Elite skill

Total skills = 45

It looks like I have more than you.  Weird.  :)

 All you need is autoattack, OP said so.

He also said that you are better if you have more skills so I am more pro then him cuz i got more.  He has a feeble 36.   pfftt... I didn't even go with a flame thrower kit that would have given me 4 more.

Originally posted by Wootloops

When compared to WoW:

 

In general:

1. Not enough sandbox elements.

 

 

Just sigh...another day of you guys driving me nuts to no end

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by Wootloops

Originally posted by tkoreaper

Please, List all your keybinds in WoW.

So you played 3 of the moot faceroll classes for pvp, good for you. Try an Engineer.

 

From Keybinds

 

I counted 35 ability keybinds (36 if you count mount), and I should really keybind my weapon swaps, which would add 2 more.

I think it's cool that you like WOW better.  There is nothing wrong with that but, I just wanted to point out the misconception you have about how may skills there are available in GW2.  For example, my engineer:

Pistol Shield build

3- pistol skills

4- Shield skills 2 - but the become 2 other skills when I use them to get a different effect.  So its 4.

Heal skill

5- Med Pack changes all my weapon skills to 5 different skills

1- F-key skill

Utility Skills

5- Elixir gun skills

1- f-Key skill

5- Bomb Kit skills

1- F-key skill

1- Elixir skill

Elite Skill

1- Elite skill

Under Water Skills

5 - Harpoon skills

1- Heal Skill

4- F-key Skills

5 - Grenade Kit Skills

1- turret skill

1- Elixir skill

1- Elite skill

Total skills = 45

It looks like I have more than you.  Weird.  :)

You forgot one pretty big mechanic: the punishing cooldown system.

Originally posted by slickbizzle

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

So you're saying because GW2 =/= WoW that WoW is better?

 

This is the most subjective post i've seen in awhile (short of that top 9 things GW2 does better than other MMO's thread).

 

Not trying to be a jerk, but that is exactly how your thread came off after reading it.

 

That's the beauty of WoW player logic.  If GW2 was like Warcraft, it would be called a clone and shot down. Now, since it's NOT like Warcraft, it sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 Wow someone took all my feeling towards the subject and wrapped them up in a nice neat 3 sentence package. Perfect. Thank you.

Originally posted by Calhoun619

 Wow someone took all my feeling towards the subject and wrapped them up in a nice neat 3 sentence package. Perfect. Thank you.

The logic of those sentances is tantamount to me telling you about my new game involving sitting around doing nothing, and then when you don't like my new game, I proclaim that Guild Wars 2 players just think that anything which isn't GW2 sucks.

But fear not, as you'll see my great truth in time.

Originally posted by Kost
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Don't be jelly.

Wait OP, you're a pvp'er  yet you find GUILD WARS lacking? I think it's because everything is balanced and you cannot handle being overgeared for wow pvp. Balanced pvp does scare a lot of people away especially the guild wars community, we're creative with our pvp builds. bye!

Originally posted by chakalaka

Wait OP, you're a pvp'er  yet you find GUILD WARS lacking? I think it's because everything is balanced and you cannot handle being overgeared for wow pvp. Balanced pvp does scare a lot of people away especially the guild wars community, we're creative with our pvp builds. bye!

 

It's hard not to find spamming auto-attack lacking. And it probably takes less effort to get max geared in WoW for PvP than it does in GW2 for WvW. And WoW is actually probably the most balanced MMO out there. Havn't placed enough GW2 to draw conclusions on its balance yet though.

Originally posted by Wootloops

These are my main issues with Guild Wars 2, and why WoW is going to remain my main game:

please mail me your stuff : )

Originally posted by loulaki

please mail me your stuff : )

I'd probably get banned for exploiting somehow.

Originally posted by Wootloops

Originally posted by loulaki

please mail me your stuff : )

I'd probably get banned for exploiting somehow.

 Likely excuse for not having anything worth sending. The great truth you proclaim is a lie, that much is clear. Your understanding of this game is scant at best and you wont be missed when you go back to WoW.

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 Likely excuse for not having anything worth sending. The great truth you proclaim is a lie, that much is clear. Your understanding of this game is scant at best and you wont be missed when you go back to WoW.

Some people fear truth, but they will be enlightened in time.