MoP will certainly sell a lot more.  I've wanted them to lose a ton of subscribers simply because they've just become safe and really don't deliver the amount of content their income could support.  I wonder what Trion would produce with those kind of box sales and subscriber dollars.

GW2 has a chance to grow, but I think they need to iron out end game before that will happen on a major scale.

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

What's with all the East side, West side think? WoW never sold boxes in China ( Asia ) because the payment model is different then the one in EU/NA.

On a side note, let them sell as many boxes as possible and take their time and investment to put it in "Titan".

We need to split up west and east else this thread would fill up with trolls talkiing about Blizzard lieing about their sub numbers.

Yes, we need to split up west and east, and you said it correct! It's about sub numbers not box sales!

Other then that, carry on ..

When blizzard announced month 1 Cata sales of 4.7million they also said they had some 12million subscribers, the trolls made a point of saying "so 7 million players did not buy Cata, proof blizz lie about their numbers", we had to explain that Cata was not avaliable in china and some other regions at the time.  

It's best to remind people of this when talking about blizzard numbers cus many people of this forum are looking to cause trouble.

Don't get me wrong, but while I understand your point, you need to understand that no BC,WOLK,Cata expansion boxes have been sold in China ( Asia ) . They don't need to buy boxes in order to play the game! It's simple is their business model. They pay by hour. Having saying that, people who don't believe in WoW's numbers is their .. problem :)

They will sell as many subs as they currently have in EU/NA ! Which means 4 to 5 mils boxes!

I would guess slightly less than Cataclysm, which is still significantly more than GW2. At a high level it seems like WoW is slowly in decline and MoP doesn't seem all that exciting. I also think there might be some former WoW players that are currently satistified with GW2.

The sales numbers for MoP should be a good indication of the health of WoW.

Originally posted by bbbmmmlll

I would guess slightly less than Cataclysm, which is still significantly more than GW2. At a high level it seems like WoW is slowly in decline and MoP doesn't seem all that exciting. I also think there might be some former WoW players that are currently satistified with GW2.

The sales numbers for MoP should be a good indication of the health of WoW.

Many WoW players who enjoy GW2, will still play WoW! The 2 games can be played in the "same time". So WoW will be fine! I am pretty sure that it will sell at least like Cata!

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP. 

im expecting MOP West to sell less than Cata West - but will see soon enough

Too bad we most likely wont. In general Blizzard does not report "boxsales" but only "sales". They never release Cata West and unlikely will release MOP West.

And those a practically worldwide unlike GW2s current purely Western success story. The only reason WoW China is never included is simply because they lack long behind in release schedule, not because of the payment model. Blizzard didnt announce "sold boxes" the past years, but game licences "sold", even if they come for "free" like in Korea or Taiwan, where everyone will be automatically upgraded to MOP and treated as a "sale", if they just log into the game after release once. They keep mentioning "China not included" of course, to fool the press, clueless outsider and their naive fanbase to believe the sales are actually "all Western". If a foreign region is not included Blizzard always greatly emphasizes it. Not so much the other way around when they are.

Its in their best intereset some clueless gamer and blind fanbois keep comparing WoWs global sales with Western only sales of games like GW2.

If GW2 had been released in Korea, Taiwan and Latin America no doubt it might have been close to 3 Million already, even as a newcomer.

If it had been released in China on top of that with as much advertisement support as Blizzard is providing to their games GW2 could have easily idled around 4-6 Million "active accounts" by now. Not too much far away from Blizzard 9 Million "subscriber" as Blizzard calls their global active accounts.

Still GW2 already surpassed 2 Million sales only is the EU and US with 1/20 of Blizzards marketing hype budget.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by halflife25

I bought 3 copies since i and both of my brothers are goign to play MOP at release. We are also playing GW2 together. But what i am getting is at a lot of  us can play both games at same time one being B2P and all. Why it has to be a competition between the two?

What will happen if say MOP outsells GW2 or if it fails to outsell GW2?

Nothing..  but the NFL and MLB  make billions of dollars because people like to talk about things that have no bearing on actual real life.   Why have I been a Steelers fan for 30 years, and cheer for a player I have never met, and whose success on Sunday has no bearing at all on my real life?  Kinda the same thing.. 

 

Actually, about 25 years ago I came to the same realization you just made here, and stopped following professional sports after that.  Makes no sense at all when you really think about it.

No doubt being able to sell perhaps 3M + boxes and collect a sub fee would be every developer's dream, but in the long haul very few games can count on that sort of business model working for them.

Sure, it's nice if you can get it, but they are few and far between.

Originally posted by Jackdog
Henry Ford sold over 15 million  model T's which was a record for it's time. Wow was the Model T of MMO's, it made MMO history but it's business model and the raid end game is out dated just like turning a hand crank to start the engine in auto's is outdated. Not sure how many people will want to spend box price and 15 dollars a month just to play a panda character other than some pre teens. I could be surprised, time will tell

Yes MOP will sell out previous expansions and then you will come back again when next WOW expansion l is about to be released to say the same very thing. For someone who has been around these forums for so long i am afraid you didn't learn anything . WOW still has a lot of life left into it and i am sure they will release another couple of expansions before Titan.

It is the same old routine of speculations about how many won't be willing to buy new expansion (yeah never heard that one before) and how WOW is an old horse, stale analogies with cars, raid end game is dated or dead and so on. 

Also lots of pre teens play GW2  you say it as if it is a bad thing? and how are you so sure only some pre teens would play pandas? when some gentleman associated asura and GW2 with 'pre teens' and 'sissies' he was ripped to shreads. Why double standards?

No mature individual would try to generalise the player base of any MMO whther GW2 or WOW into kiddies, pre teens or whatever terms you guys use for back handed insults.

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

I'm not sure what one has to do with the other.  If you have a pool of roughly 5 million paying subscribers (excluding asian countries because they have different models) who I would assume is waiting for new content would it not be surprising that they sold 3 mil+ copies the first day? This doesn't have anything to do with pricing models.

I'll throw my hat in and say that if MoP crosses 3.5mil sales in a month I'd be surprised.  By Christmas it may be about 5mil.  This is at original retail cost mind you, 59.99.

Originally posted by Vannor
I think MoP will sell less that Cata did and I'll be surprised if it sold more. Big black dragon is in almost everyones fantasy tastes, asian pandas are not.

For me, it is strange that Cataclysm sold more than Wrath of the Lich King.

I would have expected everyone to wait for the great final where you get to fight against Arthas also known as the Ligh King. I have been playing WoW with breaks since 2004 and I have never been so hyped for the game like before the WotLK expansion. Also they released the amazing trailer which perfectly took advantage of the lore which is a strong aspect of WoW, in my opinion.

When I first saw the trailer for Cataclysm I was so disappointed. Suddenly, all the lore was gone and there was just the big black dragon you mentioned. I know that Deathwing is actually a part of the lore, but they simply did not do anything to somehow connect him with the lore and put him in some context. They just sold it as the expansion with the big black dragon. The game broke sales records.

I am not sure if the dragon vs panda comparison you mentioned will have any kind of influence on the sales figures. Most WoW players do not care about the actual pandas. I believe most players have it like me...there is a new expansion. If I want to be able to play WoW in the future, I have to buy it. I somehow count with having WoW on my harddrive ready to be played any time I feel like, so I buy the expansion.

Originally posted by Aelious

I'll throw my hat in and say that if MoP crosses 3.5mil sales in a month I'd be surprised.  By Christmas it may be about 5mil.  This is at original retail cost mind you, 59.99.

I agree MOP will outsell Cata in overall sales but i doubt it will for launch

Blizzard has nice deal right now that upgrading any acct for 60.00 (or less) will get you mop and all expansions

$109.96 USD - 45%=  $59.99 USD   (assumes upgrading from trial acct)
 

whether that deal remains post launch - is to be seen

Selling is nothing of a point with an IP like WoW, the point is retaining players.

How many copy of Diablo 3 Blizzard sold? how many players are still playing it? lot less than the amount of copy sold.

My point is : selling when just out, they know their jobs, they'll sell a lot. If player are still playing 2 or 3 month later is another bedtime story.

I lost interrest with many MMO since they are a treadmill to keep you walking your money in their pockets.

Of course MoP will sell well . Theres still  9 million people playing WoW a significant proportion of them will want to buy it on release day .It will be well down on previous expansions I think .

I'm seeing nothing like the same buzz in WoW that there was about previous expansions in game chat and nothing like the returning numbers of players you get shortly before an new expansion .  

I'm not planning on rushing out to get MoP I'm going to give up WoW for a while and play GW2 once this month sub runs out . If Blizzard offer MoP at 75 percent off sometime or give it away free as they did Cata I'll daresay I'll return at some point in the future .

Before we compare numbers we'll need to wait untill GW2 has released its fourth expansion pack .

The best we can do is compare Vanilla WoW to GW2 in thier first months sales .

GW2 has sold far more boxes in two weeks so far than WoW did in its first month .

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP. 

im expecting MOP West to sell less than Cata West - but will see soon enough

Too bad we most likely wont. In general Blizzard does not report "boxsales" but only "sales". They never release Cata West and unlikely will release MOP West.

And those a practically worldwide unlike GW2s current purely Western success story. The only reason WoW China is never included is simply because they lack long behind in release schedule, not because of the payment model. Blizzard didnt announce "sold boxes" the past years, but game licences "sold", even if they come for "free" like in Korea or Taiwan, where everyone will be automatically upgraded to MOP and treated as a "sale", if they just log into the game after release once. They keep mentioning "China not included" of course, to fool the press, clueless outsider and their naive fanbase to believe the sales are actually "all Western". If a foreign region is not included Blizzard always greatly emphasizes it. Not so much the other way around when they are.

Its in their best intereset some clueless gamer and blind fanbois keep comparing WoWs global sales with Western only sales of games like GW2.

 

If GW2 had been released in Korea, Taiwan and Latin America no doubt it might have been close to 3 Million already, even as a newcomer.

If it had been released in China on top of that with as much advertisement support as Blizzard is providing to their games GW2 could have easily idled around 4-6 Million "active accounts" by now. Not too much far away from Blizzard 9 Million "subscriber" as Blizzard calls their global active accounts.

Still GW2 already surpassed 2 Million sales only is the EU and US with 1/20 of Blizzards marketing hype budget.

You are pulling this stuff out of your backside aren't you? Completely untrue. No facts, no proof. Just some wild speculations.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by Jackdog
Henry Ford sold over 15 million  model T's which was a record for it's time. Wow was the Model T of MMO's, it made MMO history but it's business model and the raid end game is out dated just like turning a hand crank to start the engine in auto's is outdated. Not sure how many people will want to spend box price and 15 dollars a month just to play a panda character other than some pre teens. I could be surprised, time will tell

Yes MOP will sell out previous expansions and then you will come back again when next WOW expansion l is about to be released to say the same very thing. For someone who has been around these forums for so long i am afraid you didn't learn anything . WOW still has a lot of life left into it and i am sure they will release another couple of expansions before Titan.

you seem to think WoW has the same sub base it had in 2008 - 2009, it doesn't. Turbine started teh trend toward F2P with DDO and followed it with LoTRO. Now 15 dollars a month plus a box fee plus a cash shop makes no more sense than the old pay per minute  online services we had back in the 80's when the flat rate internet services came out in the 90's

Blizzard is just to vain/greedy to realize it

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

You are talking about game with that.... 9m subscribers ? Are you trying to compare sales of most popular MMO with Chuck Norris on the adverts that rule the MMO market for almost 8 years with  game that come out 2 weaks ago and even didn't had so much advertisment around ?

Compare this game with fresh MMO and their sales in first 2 weeks and then we can talk. Right now you are just trolling or you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by bbbmmmlll

I would guess slightly less than Cataclysm, which is still significantly more than GW2. At a high level it seems like WoW is slowly in decline and MoP doesn't seem all that exciting. I also think there might be some former WoW players that are currently satistified with GW2.

The sales numbers for MoP should be a good indication of the health of WoW.

Many WoW players who enjoy GW2, will still play WoW! The 2 games can be played in the "same time". So WoW will be fine! I am pretty sure that it will sell at least like Cata!

Well these can't really be played at the same time.

People will ditch GW2 when MoP comes.

They might however return to GW2 when MoP is burned through.