Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
He has a valid point... Same thing was concluded after a few weeks in DAoC. They solved it with adding realmranks and realmpoints

In the end the majorrity of playersmight come to share the OPs opinion

I seriously doubt that he has the complete set of WvW PvP armor and weapons - he's not even 80. Before adding carrot layers, maybe people should finish the existing layer?

Not to mention that adding realm points with OP skill rewards like in DAoC would completely ruin WvW as it was designed in GW2.

So obtaining gear is the only reason to keep on playing?

You know why I PvP'd in DAOC or AC? For the fun of it. Guess thats just the old ways, now. DAOC' condundrum wasnt really fixed with Realm points. They were nice. But PvP already had meaning in DAOC with relic and keep ownership.

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Originally posted by Sylvarii

OP, your only allowed to come here and tell everyone how you love the game,saying you have issues without actually trollling is not allowed.The people who claim they love the game will appear out of no where to discredit your post,makes you wonder if they are actually playing the game lol.

 

 ^ This guy gets it.

 

Oh and don't forget the fanboys will use the, "you must need to go back to gear games because you suck at video games and life" tactic.

 

GW2 is dry and lacking in the fun department, in my opinion, because every zone ends up feeling the same. Everyone is a jack of all trades- no real specialites - or at least none that I could see during the week or two of playing. And WvW is the same zergfest over and over and over again. Good thing it is B2P, otherwise thier collapse would be at SWTOR levels if not higher (P.S. I had more fun with SWTOR than I have with GW2)

 

lol.   No.   You were concern-trolled.   The guy has spent his entire GW2 posting history trashing the game and makes numerous mistakes in the details to an extent that one can not take him seriously or credulously if one has invested any time in playing the game.

 

FANS criticize the game for it's real flaws.   Not a bunch of imaginary flaws that aren't in the game or flaws of the player who clearly does not get it.

 

And when some troll comes in and spouts off a bunch of nonsense, yeah he gets thumped.  It's the way of it.

He is a troll because you dont agree with him? Or he is a troll because he is posting something you dont like? Imaginary flaws? Not to him.

The only person trolling here is you. More people commit trolling through calling people other trolls than they do by intentionally starting topics to create animosity. Its sad.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Tardcore

Well while that sounds fantastic, from my own experience the journey doesn't really lead anywhere except to level 80. If there was more significance to it than just a tick on a checklist somewhere that would be different. But to ME just running about, looking in every nook and cranny, figuring out jumping puzzles for vistas, finding hidden chests, gathering more skill points to unlock skills of which I'll only ever use a few, gets boring just as quickly as re-running the same boring ass raid dungeons in the vain hope of looting another pointless peice of shinny gear, which you can then use to run the same boring ass raid dungeon ... well you get the point.

That's my problem with people like you and the OP. Ok, you don't like the game. You get bored. No problem with that, every game is definitely not for everyone. All this is fine. The problem is you, and certainly the OP too, will still stay here on this forum about the game, on a crusade to convince everyone else that the game is not good and boring. Hell, the OP is here since months now bashing the game while is was still in beta despite he wasn't even playing it back then. And no, you will not stop once you gave your reasons why the game is boring and why you don't play anymore, that's not enough for you.

That's a bit like if I went in a restaurant, found the food pretty bad, but keep on going back just to be able to whine out loud that the food is bad, possibly to find some likeminded soul to comfort me in my opinion.

You all try to sound all grown up and mature, making big "reasonable" posts about how GW2 is bad over and over again, but your behavior is anything but mature. A mature adult would give his final opinion and then just leave, including the forums talking about the game they dislike.

Seriously, people on a crusade (against ANY game) even though they don't play it are getting old. But hey, awaiting some kind of maturity from an Internet forum is obviously a mistake

Get off your damned soapbox, grow up, and go post on a forum of a game you play and enjoy. You may even contribute in a constructive way to a community, for a change, instead of your usual destructive behavior.

 

/Rant off...

And this is my problem with posters such as yourself who think discussions about a game are fine as long as they only support the point of view YOU agree with. Please go find a post where I've said this game sucks shit. I've stated time and again that I feel its a decent game, BUT I disagree that its really all that different than the several other themeparks I've played in the last several years. And THAT'S my issue with the game. Nothing new equals not all the interesting so the game will offer me little in long term value. Which I take issue with as what is the point of a continually existing world if I'm sick of in an a few weeks.

I feel the entire themepark model is horribly stagnant and feel the few things about the model that A-net have actually changed do little to address that. And since all AAA Developers seem to be stuck in this one rut it means that finding new games I'D like to talk about AND PLAY don't seem to exist anymore. All we seem to get is variations on one theme. Whch seques nicely into your fast food argument. Slice it any way you like but the current state of AAA gaming is everyone is just selling hamburgers. Sure they may change some of the ways they put it together but its still very much just a hamburger. Fine so long as that's all you want to eat, but I say wouldn't it be nice to have enchiladas or shabu shabu once in awhile. Why is it the industry feels that burger joints are the only marketable venue.

Also frankly your argument that we should only discuss games we like holds no water anyway as these games don't exist in a vacuum and in some way will effect other games in the industry. Prime example, Wow's been holding the entire industry down and farting on its head for the past seven years. And while A-net did change the way they did a few things, they are still very much Wow's little brother. Oh sure GW2 may dress differently, listen to different music, and comb its hair in a diffrent manner, but at the end of the day both of them are still very much related by blood. Which has been my continuous critique of the game. I don't think its a BAD game. I just feel at its heart that it isn't really a NEW game.

You see it seems that unlike posters like yourself I can both appreciate a game for what it is, but still critique it on what I think it could do better or at least different. A mindset that seems to be missing from most modern game players as well as game makers.

So sorry, but if my opinions upset you so much then I'd advise you to use the ignore feature, as I'm not censoring myself simply because my ideas hurt your feelings.

Okay.  So have you ever played GW1?  In GW1 you hit level cap about 1/3 of the way through the game.  Yes, you kept finding skills and since you could dual class there were tons of skills and builds to try out but in the end you could only carry 8 skills at a time so once you found something that worked and worked well you had a tendency to keep it.  

The idea was that the game would become about the story and your personal skill as a player and not just a linear character progression.

I think the idea in GW2 is similar yet the opposite.  In GW2 you have many levels to go and a long time to get there if you are the average player (not the more redbull than blood hardcore kind), but you have a limited number of skills and you still can only carry so many.  

The idea here again focuses on player skill with the class and by limiting the number of total skills available and focusing on the design of the skills in question they have made most builds at least viable.  Since at least %50 percent of the game's focus turns to WvW or PVP this is actually a good thing.  It's hard to gimp your character and it keeps you working to perfect your play style and skill levels.

Think about it.  If you look at the design elements of the game this stands out.  For one, you have to learn your enemies and dodge attacks.  You kill things faster if you figure out the right chain of attacks to use and when.

I guess what I am saying is this isn't an old school MMO.  Things are different.  Frankly for those with this complaint they should have seen this coming by the information available before release.

I for one love the game.  I can see how it's not for everyone.  I do think it will change things for developers going forward simply because of the sheer number of features it offers for no monthly fee.  But in the end while I suspect the number of players will remain very large, I do suspect those who want an old school feel will move on to other games.  Like guild wars 1 however it will retain a huge cult following.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... 

Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... 

Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

People change their mind all the time. You have never disliked something in life? and still thought 'hey why not give it a try, maybe i will like it'. Just to realise that nope what you thought was right to some extent. Is it a crime to give your opinion? people change and re change their mind all the time. 

I am a huge fan of GW2 and have utmost regard for Anet and the quality which they put in their games. But at the same time i believe that people like you and the person you are supporting for his personal attacks at OP, give bad name to rest of the community.

I have no problem if someone dislikes the game as long as they are civil and not personaly attacking the fans. Did he do that? then why make sarcastic comments and make fun of him or call him troll? it is like internet bullying. 2 or 3 people ganging up on one person for giving his opinion about the game.

Shame on people like you who call themselves fans of GW2. You make rest of us look bad.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Amjoco 

It's not YOUR intentions I was concerned about, but take a look at the posts inbetween ours here. it didn't take long for my point to be justified. You can thank your fellow GW2 fans for proving my point.

Well I'm a fan of mmorpgs, not just GW2.  If I go to WoW forums and start following an old game I learn nothing new. 

In between the rants of us "fanbois" and "haters" comes a remarkable amount of knowledge believe it or not. I am tired of folks tearing apart GW2 and was looking for what would be better. The folks bashing GW2 to pieces seem to know quite a bit about mmorpgs, and it would be nice if they would divulge some titles.

edit: snip

Well, as I said, it's no secret I like Rift. But I'm not so preoccupied with it not to notice it's gaping holes. I'm not getting into it here, but to me it's worht the 15/month. and I am looking forward to the expanison. And I am very much aware that that will make or break the game. For many reasons I play, there are many things I don't like about it too. I've supported and criticized it over in those boards. I'd be happy to have a discussion over there about why I like it and what I don't like. But not here. this is someone else's thread. 

Dig through my history and you will find I have allowed myself one subscription a month. After I play MoP for a while and see what it is about I  plan on joing Rift again, but until then I will stick with GW2, Vanguard, (SWToR when its f2p), and one subscription game. I'm retired and have the luxuray of doing pretty much what I want! Except I still need to go mow the lawn. Good luck to you and hopefully I will see you in the Rift forum!

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by BadSpock

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

People change their mind all the time. You have never disliked something in life? and still thought 'hey why not give it a try, maybe i will like it'. Just to realise that nope what you thought was right to some extent. Is it a crime to give your opinion? people change and re change their mind all the time. 

I am a huge fan of GW2 and have utmost regard for Anet and the quality which they put in their games. But at the same time i believe that people like you and the person you are supporting for his personal atatcks at OP, give bad name to rest of the community.

I have no problem if someone dislikes the game as long as they are civil and not personaly attacking the fans. Did he do that? then why make sarcastic comments and make fun of him or call him troll?

Shame on people like you who call themselves fans of GW2. Ypu make rest of us look bad.

Pretty sure I never attacked anyone. And I'm pretty sure I said he is 100% entitled to his opinion... but my point still stands that creating a thread based 100% on subjective opinion on a popular and very polarized subject, especially when there have been a dozen other such posts, is not only pointless but borderline intentionally fanning the flames.

Plenty of threads OP could have posted his opinion into, and I'd feel bad if any GW2 fan attacked him for his opinions, but I am not

I am questioning him for creating yet another useless, pointless thread that does nothing but create further negativity and the exact kind of posts you and I are now writing.

Can we please just talk about games? And can we please be positive about it?

Don't like a game? Fine - tell us. ONCE. Try and keep it civil and constructive too. Tell us why you don't like something, not just that you don't.

Go to other game's forums that you do like and talk to other fans of that game. But this CONSTANT series of people posting negative threads is like a revolving door of stupid.

GW2 fans do it all the time, so does everyone else. Hell I've done it and I know we all probably have.

It creates a toxic community. One focused on the negative and defense against negativity.

Imagine if no one started troll bait threads and the people in a specific game's forums just talked about that game with other fans of that game and no one trolled forums of games they don't like....

What a great site that would be...

The whole... "Someone is saying something positive, they must be crushed!" attitude is just as bad if not worse than the "someone is saying something negative, they must be crushed!" attitude.

I know I'm asking for the impossible for people to keep their hands to themselves and simply avoid this pointless jibber jabber.

Only thing I try and combat is blatant falsehoods / misinformation and obvious trolling which is clearly defined on MMORPG.com as excessive negativity and baiting.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... 

Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

I think the OP's thread is quite useful as he points out that this game has little longetivity and says why. Now you may not agree with his opinion but that does not make it pointless. The only reason it is baiting people is because there are people who sees GW 2 as the second coming of WoW and they cannot possibly see it as anything but perfect.

I mean if threads like this are pointless then what exactly is the type of threads which should be created on forums like this. That GW 2 is the awesome of awesomeness?

The OP is entitled to his opinion and all but I find it hard to take it seriously given the OP was one of the biggest TSW shills on the forum.At oen stage it seemd liek he was creating 30 new threads a day(gross exagerattion for effect) extolling the virtues of TSW and denying any flaws,not to menition his activity in other user created threads.

This does not make his opinion invalid just hard for me personally to take seriously.The fact that this thread seems tailor made for the usual low post suspects and the usual anti GW2 suspects to jump on and tell us their opinions for the billionth time doesn't help either heh.

GW2 is by no means perfect and I do have my own personal doubts about it's long term cosntant appeal.However with no sub fee and already feeling like I got my $60 worth I feel free to come and go as I please.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by BadSpock

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

People change their mind all the time. You have never disliked something in life? and still thought 'hey why not give it a try, maybe i will like it'. Just to realise that nope what you thought was right to some extent. Is it a crime to give your opinion? people change and re change their mind all the time. 

I am a huge fan of GW2 and have utmost regard for Anet and the quality which they put in their games. But at the same time i believe that people like you and the person you are supporting for his personal atatcks at OP, give bad name to rest of the community.

I have no problem if someone dislikes the game as long as they are civil and not personaly attacking the fans. Did he do that? then why make sarcastic comments and make fun of him or call him troll?

Shame on people like you who call themselves fans of GW2. Ypu make rest of us look bad.

Pretty sure I never attacked anyone. And I'm pretty sure I said he is 100% entitled to his opinion... but my point still stands that creating a thread based 100% on subjective opinion on a popular and very polarized subject, especially when there have been a dozen other such posts, is not only pointless but borderline intentionally fanning the flames.

Plenty of threads OP could have posted his opinion into, and I'd feel bad if any GW2 fan attacked him for his opinions, but I am not I am attacking him for creating yet another useless, pointless thread that does nothing but create further negativity and the exact kind of posts you and I are now writing.

Can we please just talk about games? And can we please be positive about it?

Don't like a game? Fine - tell us. ONCE. Try and keep it civil and constructive too. Tell us why you don't like something, not just that you don't.

Go to other game's forums that you do like and talk to other fans of that game. But this CONSTANT series of people posting negative threads is like a revolving door of stupid.

GW2 fans do it all the time, so does everyone else. Hell I've done it and I know we all probably have.

It creates a toxic community. One focused on the negative and defense against negativity.

Imagine if no one started troll bait threads and the people in a specific game's forums just talked about that game with other fans of that game and no one trolled forums of games they don't like....

What a great site that would be...

All opinions are subjective unless you are talking about facts. Isn't that what forums are all about? subjective opinions?

Here is a very simple solution. Instead of targetting OP and tryign to shut him down or discourage him for giving his opinion. Don't read it? isn't that what mature people would do?

What is sad is that OP is talking about the game while you and that other gentle man is more interested in OP's past history and posting habits.

If people who like the game can repeat themseves months after months why can't a person who sees flaws in the game can do the same? i don't understand this logic.

If OP is beign abusive or making personal attacks i understand that people get upset. Even i am not that emotionaly attached to the game even though i consider myself to be a huge fan of Anet that i would go around telling people how to post and what they should or should not post.

There was nothing toxic about his post, sorry i disagree. Its the fans themselves who when go on defensive create more drama than it is really needed. I don't know why it is so hard to just ignore topics you don't like and move on.

A website where all fans only talk good about the game and no one trolls or bait would be called a fansite and i have been to one and it was the most boring and obnoxious place to be. 

I like to read opinions from both sides and i can't imagine a healthy discussion where all people always agree with eachother.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by BadSpock

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

People change their mind all the time. You have never disliked something in life? and still thought 'hey why not give it a try, maybe i will like it'. Just to realise that nope what you thought was right to some extent. Is it a crime to give your opinion? people change and re change their mind all the time. 

I am a huge fan of GW2 and have utmost regard for Anet and the quality which they put in their games. But at the same time i believe that people like you and the person you are supporting for his personal atatcks at OP, give bad name to rest of the community.

I have no problem if someone dislikes the game as long as they are civil and not personaly attacking the fans. Did he do that? then why make sarcastic comments and make fun of him or call him troll?

Shame on people like you who call themselves fans of GW2. Ypu make rest of us look bad.

Pretty sure I never attacked anyone. And I'm pretty sure I said he is 100% entitled to his opinion... but my point still stands that creating a thread based 100% on subjective opinion on a popular and very polarized subject, especially when there have been a dozen other such posts, is not only pointless but borderline intentionally fanning the flames.

Plenty of threads OP could have posted his opinion into, and I'd feel bad if any GW2 fan attacked him for his opinions, but I am not

I am questioning him for creating yet another useless, pointless thread that does nothing but create further negativity and the exact kind of posts you and I are now writing.

Can we please just talk about games? And can we please be positive about it?

Don't like a game? Fine - tell us. ONCE. Try and keep it civil and constructive too. Tell us why you don't like something, not just that you don't.

Go to other game's forums that you do like and talk to other fans of that game. But this CONSTANT series of people posting negative threads is like a revolving door of stupid.

GW2 fans do it all the time, so does everyone else. Hell I've done it and I know we all probably have.

It creates a toxic community. One focused on the negative and defense against negativity.

Imagine if no one started troll bait threads and the people in a specific game's forums just talked about that game with other fans of that game and no one trolled forums of games they don't like....

What a great site that would be...

I dont see how it is 100% subjective. It is part subjective, where he says PvE is like a movie, but saying that there is lack of character progression after a certain level is a fact. After level 40-50 your character progresses little. You dont get any activable skills and just passive traits.

Also that WvW is a zerg fest is a fact. Almost every single time I tried it, there is a Zerg going from one control point to the other until it gets wiped out by another Zerg and then it goes around in circles with little sense and purpose behind it, no end or beginning just mindless zerging.

So the OPs thread is not 100% subjective at all. It is just a common trick used by fanboys to try to discredit criticism.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by BadSpock

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

People change their mind all the time. You have never disliked something in life? and still thought 'hey why not give it a try, maybe i will like it'. Just to realise that nope what you thought was right to some extent. Is it a crime to give your opinion? people change and re change their mind all the time. 

I am a huge fan of GW2 and have utmost regard for Anet and the quality which they put in their games. But at the same time i believe that people like you and the person you are supporting for his personal atatcks at OP, give bad name to rest of the community.

I have no problem if someone dislikes the game as long as they are civil and not personaly attacking the fans. Did he do that? then why make sarcastic comments and make fun of him or call him troll?

Shame on people like you who call themselves fans of GW2. Ypu make rest of us look bad.

Pretty sure I never attacked anyone. And I'm pretty sure I said he is 100% entitled to his opinion... but my point still stands that creating a thread based 100% on subjective opinion on a popular and very polarized subject, especially when there have been a dozen other such posts, is not only pointless but borderline intentionally fanning the flames.

Plenty of threads OP could have posted his opinion into, and I'd feel bad if any GW2 fan attacked him for his opinions, but I am not I am attacking him for creating yet another useless, pointless thread that does nothing but create further negativity and the exact kind of posts you and I are now writing.

Can we please just talk about games? And can we please be positive about it?

Don't like a game? Fine - tell us. ONCE. Try and keep it civil and constructive too. Tell us why you don't like something, not just that you don't.

Go to other game's forums that you do like and talk to other fans of that game. But this CONSTANT series of people posting negative threads is like a revolving door of stupid.

GW2 fans do it all the time, so does everyone else. Hell I've done it and I know we all probably have.

It creates a toxic community. One focused on the negative and defense against negativity.

Imagine if no one started troll bait threads and the people in a specific game's forums just talked about that game with other fans of that game and no one trolled forums of games they don't like....

What a great site that would be...

But that will never happen.

Unless we put all the "I don't like" threads into one part. Frankly I'm bored with them, really I am. I like every part of the game and I would visit a forum to learn more new things about the game. Like learning mechanics and all and discussing the crafting professions and how to build some recipes or share jumping puzzle locations with each other. But instead most of the topics are about "this game is bad" or "i don't like this", "i don't like that" so there's nothing else here left but trolling.

I'm more and more turning to YouTube channels like "Dontain", "Jesse Cox", "WoodenPotatoes" and lots of other informative channels. Because those are opinions from positive minded players, who give lots of information about the game and are enjoyable to watch. Don't forget to not watch or get involved with the comments though, they are just as filled with trolls. So yea it's not interactive anymore since I won't post on YouTube video's, but I get what I want which is more information and entertainment while waiting untill I can play the game myself.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Whoa whoa whoa, stop being such a fanboi with your "logic" and "reasoning" and "common sense" I can't take it!

No one on MMORPG.com would ever start threads about games they don't play or haven't played just to get reactions and up their post count...

Well, except for Spotlight posters - seems to be why most get the Spotlight in the first place - stirring the pot and bringing in traffic and raising post counts.

Integrity in posting? Usually get the ban hammer more often than not!

Yes because someone posting negative threads are obviously on a crusade, makes perfect sense now... 

Instead of attacking the poster for things he has done in the past then why not address the issues be brought up in this thread. Now you can't do that because he is on a crusade right? Nice way of disregarding posts which you dont feel like addressing.

Everything the OP said is 100% subjective and his opinion - which he is entitled to - but how is ANYONE supposed to respond to that?

You can't - because he is not "wrong" in any sense, but that doesn't mean I agree with him.

So the entire thread is pointless, and comes off to me (and others) as just a baiting attempt to create yet another black vs. white back and forth BS thread.

Given the posters history and passionate support for TSW - including lots of flames against GW2 in that time... why would such a person buy the game knowing this is exactly what would probably happen given their perspective?

So again, pointless thread - troll bait - no point anymore but to create yet ANOTHER pro vs. con back and forth thread - which is all Korrigan was saying.

I think the OP's thread is quite useful as he points out that this game has little longetivity and says why. Now you may not agree with his opinion but that does not make it pointless. The only reason it is baiting people is because there are people who sees GW 2 as the second coming of WoW and they cannot possibly see it as anything but perfect.

I mean if threads like this are pointless then what exactly is the type of threads which should be created on forums like this. That GW 2 is the awesome of awesomeness?

I'm pretty sure he could have placed his thoughts in one of many, many threads like the one he created. There isn't really a need for this many. Also, on the other end, GW2 fans don't need to keep starting "your doing it wrong" threads.

The forums should be as BadSpock suggested, a place to help one another by duscussing things. Ranting leads to ranting and does nothing but blocking and reporting. Go to the forum of your choice and discuss what could be better about the game you like, not the one you hate.

Originally posted by Yamota

I think the OP's thread is quite useful as he points out that this game has little longetivity and says why. Now you may not agree with his opinion but that does not make it pointless. The only reason it is baiting people is because there are people who sees GW 2 as the second coming of WoW and they cannot possibly see it as anything but perfect.

I mean if threads like this are pointless then what exactly is the type of threads which should be created on forums like this. That GW 2 is the awesome of awesomeness?

Well if I went to the TSW general forums and wrote my opinion on that game, I know for a fact bcbully and others would jump all over me just like others have jumped on him on the GW2 forums.

So what did I do?

I wrote my opinion piece on TSW after playing the trial in the review/impressions TSW sub-forum where it belongs, and I haven't made a post on TSW forums since.

We here are just tired of seeing the exact same "here is my opinion on why I don't like GW2" threads day in, day out, just like the fans of other games would be just as tired if their forums were always filled with this shit and NO ONE was actually talking about the game.

Originally posted by ThaneUlfgar
Glad to know I'm not the only one who got bored with GW2.

count on me too :)

That is the beauty of GW2 - get bored - go do another game OR SOMETHING IN RL and come back another day. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GRIND IT OUT TO LVL 80 in one sitting, I mean you are not paying a sub for the game.

I don't get why people say this, 'I'm bored' - then go do something else and come back when you are not bored. I guess people like to whine - MMO'ers seem to be some of the worst.

Originally posted by Yamota

I dont see how it is 100% subjective. It is part subjective, where he says PvE is like a movie, but saying that there is lack of character progression after a certain level is a fact. After level 40-50 your character progresses little. You dont get any activable skills and just passive traits.

Also that WvW is a zerg fest is a fact. Almost every single time I tried it, there is a Zerg going from one control point to the other until it gets wiped out by another Zerg and then it goes around in circles with little sense and purpose behind it, no end or beginning just mindless zerging.

So the OPs thread is not 100% subjective at all. It is just a common trick used by fanboys to try to discredit criticism.

Your definition of "facts" is just a weighted and subjective of an opinion as your constant belittling of the opinions of others via your combative use of "fanboys" is both unneeded and further helping to fan the flames, not be a catalyst for reasonable, rational conversation.