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  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

 
OP  9/14/12 2:08:39 AM#41
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Many MMORPGs offer a free trial period.  This is often a two week timeframe in which you can try the game at no cost to you.  Guild Wars 2 does not offer this.  The lasting appeal of the game Guild Wars 2 lasted for me about the same duration as the trial period other MMORPGs offer, but at an additional $60 cost.  Despite the lack of a subscription fee in Guild Wars 2, there weren't enough reasons for me to keep playing.  Thus I spent $60 dollars on a game I no longer play.

With EVE Online, I've spent over 5,850 hours playing the game.  This came with a subscription fee, but included all expansions, and did not require an initial fee.  They also offer a free trial period.  It may seem like I spent a large amount of money on this game, however, by comparison to Guild Wars 2, the cost per hour of entertainment is by far better in EVE due to its lasting appeal among other great reasons for me to play.  Also, compared to other forms of entertainment, this is extremely inexpensive.  The same amount of time spent, watching $1 2 hour movies, would have cost nearly triple.

In summary, I would have unsubscribed to Guild Wars 2 during the free trial, if it had one.  Unfortunately it didn't, and thus the $60 spent were wasteful in terms of the cost per hour of entertainment gained as compared to EVE Online.  For other people the value might be a bit better in Guild Wars 2 than my experience, so long as they enjoy the things Arenanet said they didn't want, such as grinding, and non-permanent events, which the game is full of.

Good for you.  Ive spent $60 for the game, $20 for Eyes of the north to unlock my HOM, and $50 x 2 in the gem shop for dyes, gold, and full bank & bag unlocks and I couldnt be any happier.

 

You like Eve, thats great!  I personallyt think the game sucks and was one of my fastest uninstalls ever (under 3 mins played).  If I want to play a meaningful sandbox I'll pick up Fallen Earth or Asherons Call again but GW2 has all the sandboxxy elements I love (exploration, multiple ways to gear and advance) about the sub-genre and none of the things I do. (FFA PvP, full loot and no content)

 

playing Eve is like playing MS Excel, and I get enough of spreadsheets at work and to top it off you dont even play an Avatar, you play a ship.  BORING!

Glad to hear the free trial of EVE, which you tried for three minutes as you say, didn't cost you anything.  Imagine how you'd feel had you spent 60 dollars on a game and played for the same three minutes and found it boring.  :)

El Psy Congroo

  aRtFuLThinG

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9/14/12 2:11:52 AM#42
Originally posted by kadepsyson

As I mentioned in this thread, and even in the post of mine you quoted, there have been same genre games as GW2 that I liked.

At no point did I say that this is how it is for everyone.  I did include the words "to me" in the thread title even.

Just because other $60 games may offer less content, doesn't mean I am satisfied with GW2. 

To put it another way, it is as if you are saying sticking my hand in a fire isn't hot, because the surface of the sun is higher in temperature.

 

You kinda only mentioned "to me" after your entire arguement was taken apart by everyone.

You were making a broad based generalization of "no enjoyment" and "no value" and "not worth he money", which I can easily quote from any of the your post above, but no point because it was plain for anyone to see and they are all there.

 

"To put it another way, it is as if you are saying sticking my hand in a fire isn't hot, because the surface of the sun is higher in temperature."

 

Just because I use analogy, doesn't mean you ahve to use them to counter my argument because frankly your one makes no sense and it doesn't even fit the meaning of what you were trying to say.

  User Deleted
9/14/12 2:13:32 AM#43
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Many MMORPGs offer a free trial period.  This is often a two week timeframe in which you can try the game at no cost to you.  Guild Wars 2 does not offer this.  The lasting appeal of the game Guild Wars 2 lasted for me about the same duration as the trial period other MMORPGs offer, but at an additional $60 cost.  Despite the lack of a subscription fee in Guild Wars 2, there weren't enough reasons for me to keep playing.  Thus I spent $60 dollars on a game I no longer play.

With EVE Online, I've spent over 5,850 hours playing the game.  This came with a subscription fee, but included all expansions, and did not require an initial fee.  They also offer a free trial period.  It may seem like I spent a large amount of money on this game, however, by comparison to Guild Wars 2, the cost per hour of entertainment is by far better in EVE due to its lasting appeal among other great reasons for me to play.  Also, compared to other forms of entertainment, this is extremely inexpensive.  The same amount of time spent, watching $1 2 hour movies, would have cost nearly triple.

In summary, I would have unsubscribed to Guild Wars 2 during the free trial, if it had one.  Unfortunately it didn't, and thus the $60 spent were wasteful in terms of the cost per hour of entertainment gained as compared to EVE Online.  For other people the value might be a bit better in Guild Wars 2 than my experience, so long as they enjoy the things Arenanet said they didn't want, such as grinding, and non-permanent events, which the game is full of.

Good for you.  Ive spent $60 for the game, $20 for Eyes of the north to unlock my HOM, and $50 x 2 in the gem shop for dyes, gold, and full bank & bag unlocks and I couldnt be any happier.

 

You like Eve, thats great!  I personallyt think the game sucks and was one of my fastest uninstalls ever (under 3 mins played).  If I want to play a meaningful sandbox I'll pick up Fallen Earth or Asherons Call again but GW2 has all the sandboxxy elements I love (exploration, multiple ways to gear and advance) about the sub-genre and none of the things I do. (FFA PvP, full loot and no content)

 

playing Eve is like playing MS Excel, and I get enough of spreadsheets at work and to top it off you dont even play an Avatar, you play a ship.  BORING!

Glad to hear the free trial of EVE, which you tried for three minutes as you say, didn't cost you anything.  Imagine how you'd feel had you spent 60 dollars on a game and played for the same three minutes and found it boring.  :)

 

  Scalpless

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9/14/12 2:14:41 AM#44

The fact that people have to grasp at straws to bash GW2 serves only to prove how good it is.

On another note, BREAKING NEWS! A new MMO with flooded servers and huge box sales doesn't offer a free trial in its first month! Outrageous!

  kadepsyson

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

 
OP  9/14/12 2:15:17 AM#45
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by kadepsyson

As I mentioned in this thread, and even in the post of mine you quoted, there have been same genre games as GW2 that I liked.

At no point did I say that this is how it is for everyone.  I did include the words "to me" in the thread title even.

Just because other $60 games may offer less content, doesn't mean I am satisfied with GW2. 

To put it another way, it is as if you are saying sticking my hand in a fire isn't hot, because the surface of the sun is higher in temperature.

 

You kinda only mentioned "to me" after your entire arguement was taken apart by everyone.

You were making a broad based generalization of "no enjoyment" and "no value" and "not worth he money", which I can easily quote from any of the your post above, but no point because it was plain for anyone to see and they are all there.

 

"To put it another way, it is as if you are saying sticking my hand in a fire isn't hot, because the surface of the sun is higher in temperature."

 

Just because I use analogy, doesn't mean you ahve to use them to counter my argument because frankly your one makes no sense and it doesn't even fit the meaning of what you were trying to say.

I only mentioned "to me" because people didn't read it in the title of the thread they were posting in.  Pretty silly, that.  :)

Also I think my analagy is the same as the one you used, just with different words.  I feel that a game can be a low value even if others are less value.  This differs from what you said.

El Psy Congroo

  Metsis

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Joined: 12/29/10
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9/14/12 2:15:39 AM#46

Why is this a discussion? I don't get it.

New games never ever tell people in advance that "we will have free trial in a few months" due to the fact that they wish to make as much money off the initial launch box sales... Of course they are not going to shoot themselves on the foot by telling you can try our game free in a little while. This is just a business fact on any MMO game. Fact is that most MMO games will have free trials at some point. Be it in a few months or a year or over that, it will most likely have a free trial.

Now, let's talk about the meaning of a free trial... You have a free trial to let the player get consumed into the game and want him/her to play more. The difference here is that GW2 is B2P and Eve (as in many other MMOs) are P2P... With the B2P model, you are basically getting cash from the "average joe" player only from the box sales. Thus the price for the box is quite unlikely to come down very quickly and which is the reason why any sort of free trial is likely to come later rather than sooner. With the P2P model you get a continual income from the player base from the subs. Thus the box sales are not as important. If you can get a person to play for 6 months you've already made more than from any box sales. And the fact that people feel like they "didn't pay that much for it" makes them more likely to sub than if they already poured the 60 bucks into the game already.

There is a big difference within the payment models. Thus the 60 bucks for the Guild Wars 2 is basically all you ever have to pay for that game. Even with some expansions coming, you can always play the normal version... Even if you don't like it now after 2 weeks, you can always come back and give it a new spin after maybe some updates or to just give it another go. It is basically the same as any single player game out there...

If you try EvE or any other P2P game... You have the trial, if you don't like it you leave and after a while you'd like to try it again (I do this from time to time, or would like to do) you have to create another account for yourself since the first ones trial is already used. I've played EvE, it is fun for a while for me, but the lack of "online progress" isn't fun. Basically the game is at start about just plain and simple "making money" with little character progression to be seen. There should be some sort of a reward on the skill advancements for playing (something that ticks off the skill advancements quicker when you play the game)... Just in my opinion.

I have to hand it to CCP, they do come at me with those "come back and try the game again for xx days for free" which is very nice of them... If I feel like it, I might activate my account again for a set period of time...

But the bottom line is, ArenaNet makes the money off the box sales... P2P games makes their money off the monthly subs... These two income models are totally different and if ArenaNet was to have a free trial at launch, they would lose too much income and would have to shut down their operations pretty much immediatly.

I'm liking GW2 quite a bit now... I haven't done much "research" into the game as I like to learn as I go and new things are always around the corner to be discovered. I'm sure it will get old at some point, but it is not now, not for me. And for the record, I didn't like GW1 that much...

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  Sarbocabras

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9/14/12 2:18:05 AM#47

@OP

 

PROBLEM: You're comparing EVE to Guild Wars 2 

  kadepsyson

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1966

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

 
OP  9/14/12 2:22:31 AM#48
Originally posted by Metsis

Why is this a discussion? I don't get it.

New games never ever tell people in advance that "we will have free trial in a few months" due to the fact that they wish to make as much money off the initial launch box sales... Of course they are not going to shoot themselves on the foot by telling you can try our game free in a little while. This is just a business fact on any MMO game. Fact is that most MMO games will have free trials at some point. Be it in a few months or a year or over that, it will most likely have a free trial.

Now, let's talk about the meaning of a free trial... You have a free trial to let the player get consumed into the game and want him/her to play more. The difference here is that GW2 is B2P and Eve (as in many other MMOs) are P2P... With the B2P model, you are basically getting cash from the "average joe" player only from the box sales. Thus the price for the box is quite unlikely to come down very quickly and which is the reason why any sort of free trial is likely to come later rather than sooner. With the P2P model you get a continual income from the player base from the subs. Thus the box sales are not as important. If you can get a person to play for 6 months you've already made more than from any box sales. And the fact that people feel like they "didn't pay that much for it" makes them more likely to sub than if they already poured the 60 bucks into the game already.

There is a big difference within the payment models. Thus the 60 bucks for the Guild Wars 2 is basically all you ever have to pay for that game. Even with some expansions coming, you can always play the normal version... Even if you don't like it now after 2 weeks, you can always come back and give it a new spin after maybe some updates or to just give it another go. It is basically the same as any single player game out there...

If you try EvE or any other P2P game... You have the trial, if you don't like it you leave and after a while you'd like to try it again (I do this from time to time, or would like to do) you have to create another account for yourself since the first ones trial is already used. I've played EvE, it is fun for a while for me, but the lack of "online progress" isn't fun. Basically the game is at start about just plain and simple "making money" with little character progression to be seen. There should be some sort of a reward on the skill advancements for playing (something that ticks off the skill advancements quicker when you play the game)... Just in my opinion.

I have to hand it to CCP, they do come at me with those "come back and try the game again for xx days for free" which is very nice of them... If I feel like it, I might activate my account again for a set period of time...

But the bottom line is, ArenaNet makes the money off the box sales... P2P games makes their money off the monthly subs... These two income models are totally different and if ArenaNet was to have a free trial at launch, they would lose too much income and would have to shut down their operations pretty much immediatly.

I'm liking GW2 quite a bit now... I haven't done much "research" into the game as I like to learn as I go and new things are always around the corner to be discovered. I'm sure it will get old at some point, but it is not now, not for me. And for the record, I didn't like GW1 that much...

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You, for one, bring up a lot of good points.

The first thing you say substantiates what I have been trying to get across to others in this thread, that it isn't "Fact" that there will be a trial, especially if the posters are unable to link to where Arenanet said there will be.  You provide good reasons for why they haven't stated this.

You're right, Guild Wars 2 uses a buy to play model.  EVE uses subscription.  I have attempted to compare not the cost, but the value of the two in my experience based on the amount of time and entertainment per dollar spent.

You're right in that EVE's skill system continues regardless of online status.  However, you touched on one other advancement, money.  Another could be said to be your social status/notoriety/fame, which in that game can matter.

I'm glad you're enjoying Guild Wars 2.  I didn't care much for Guild Wars 1s systems/features, but I'm glad you're finding it has lasting appeal :)

El Psy Congroo

  saurus123

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9/14/12 2:24:40 AM#49
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Many MMORPGs offer a free trial period.  This is often a two week timeframe in which you can try the game at no cost to you.  Guild Wars 2 does not offer this.  The lasting appeal of the game Guild Wars 2 lasted for me about the same duration as the trial period other MMORPGs offer, but at an additional $60 cost.  Despite the lack of a subscription fee in Guild Wars 2, there weren't enough reasons for me to keep playing.  Thus I spent $60 dollars on a game I no longer play.

With EVE Online, I've spent over 5,850 hours playing the game.  This came with a subscription fee, but included all expansions, and did not require an initial fee.  They also offer a free trial period.  It may seem like I spent a large amount of money on this game, however, by comparison to Guild Wars 2, the cost per hour of entertainment is by far better in EVE due to its lasting appeal among other great reasons for me to play.  Also, compared to other forms of entertainment, this is extremely inexpensive.  The same amount of time spent, watching $1 2 hour movies, would have cost nearly triple.

In summary, I would have unsubscribed to Guild Wars 2 during the free trial, if it had one.  Unfortunately it didn't, and thus the $60 spent were wasteful in terms of the cost per hour of entertainment gained as compared to EVE Online.  For other people the value might be a bit better in Guild Wars 2 than my experience, so long as they enjoy the things Arenanet said they didn't want, such as grinding, and non-permanent events, which the game is full of.

did eve had free trial after realese?

answer is no

 

so i dont understand your point here

 

i played eve for half a year, was in one of the big alliances before was disbanded becouse someone was hacked then couldnt remake it becouse someone took its name and CCP done shit..... ( one of the big alliances just stop exist in 1 day)

i quitted and never came back

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9/14/12 2:24:49 AM#50
Originally posted by Sarbocabras

@OP

 

PROBLEM: You're comparing EVE to Guild Wars 2 

... and 60 with 1000.

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OP  9/14/12 2:26:02 AM#51
Originally posted by saurus123
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Many MMORPGs offer a free trial period.  This is often a two week timeframe in which you can try the game at no cost to you.  Guild Wars 2 does not offer this.  The lasting appeal of the game Guild Wars 2 lasted for me about the same duration as the trial period other MMORPGs offer, but at an additional $60 cost.  Despite the lack of a subscription fee in Guild Wars 2, there weren't enough reasons for me to keep playing.  Thus I spent $60 dollars on a game I no longer play.

With EVE Online, I've spent over 5,850 hours playing the game.  This came with a subscription fee, but included all expansions, and did not require an initial fee.  They also offer a free trial period.  It may seem like I spent a large amount of money on this game, however, by comparison to Guild Wars 2, the cost per hour of entertainment is by far better in EVE due to its lasting appeal among other great reasons for me to play.  Also, compared to other forms of entertainment, this is extremely inexpensive.  The same amount of time spent, watching $1 2 hour movies, would have cost nearly triple.

In summary, I would have unsubscribed to Guild Wars 2 during the free trial, if it had one.  Unfortunately it didn't, and thus the $60 spent were wasteful in terms of the cost per hour of entertainment gained as compared to EVE Online.  For other people the value might be a bit better in Guild Wars 2 than my experience, so long as they enjoy the things Arenanet said they didn't want, such as grinding, and non-permanent events, which the game is full of.

did eve had free trial after realese?

answer is no

 

so i dont understand your point here

 

That's ok let me explain.  To answer your question, the answer is yes.  EVE is currently post-release, and has a trial.  :)

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  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

 
OP  9/14/12 2:27:11 AM#52
Originally posted by Flo13
Originally posted by Sarbocabras

@OP

 

PROBLEM: You're comparing EVE to Guild Wars 2 

... and 60 with 1000.

Please note that cost is not value :)

Also note that my intention was to discuss my feelings on their value, rather than compare the games directly :)

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9/14/12 2:46:11 AM#53
I made profit with GW1. No, nothing illegal.

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  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

 
OP  9/14/12 2:47:21 AM#54
Originally posted by Quirhid
I made profit with GW1. No, nothing illegal.

Ha, that's pretty sweet!

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9/14/12 2:47:54 AM#55
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by Flo13
Originally posted by Sarbocabras

@OP

 

PROBLEM: You're comparing EVE to Guild Wars 2 

... and 60 with 1000.

Please note that cost is not value :)

Also note that my intention was to discuss my feelings on their value, rather than compare the games directly :)

I totally agree that cost is not value, but then value is subjective. :)

As someone that played Eve and loved it for a number of years from release until finally growing bored sometime in 2006, and having bought and also currently loving GW2, personally I find both games to have been worth the box cost, and that of subscriptions where appropriate.

Now GW2 had me confused, and frankly regretting the purchase during the first couple of beta events until I finally found that it needed a switch of perspective to properly enjoy the changes. And once that came about  I could not get enough of it.

You do not like it now, your preference is for Eve at this time. But the one benefit with GW2 is that once bought you do not need to worry about subscriptions. So you can call back and give it a try at any time you wish. And who knows, maybe you will start to enjoy it too.

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9/14/12 2:56:05 AM#56
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Many MMORPGs offer a free trial period.  This is often a two week timeframe in which you can try the game at no cost to you.  Guild Wars 2 does not offer this.

Um... GW2 just came out, I'm unaware of any pay game, including EvE, that offers a free trial at launch.  GW2, like GW1, will offer a free trial a couple of months down the road.

How is it that you don't know this?

 

FFXIV did.

 

How is it that YOU don't know this?

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9/14/12 2:56:38 AM#57

I used to care about threads like this, i just don't anymore, yes i took the time to post (GW2 has an update so needed a few minutes of something else to do). But most of these guys posting threads like this have not even played the game.

Sick of all the trolls.

So meh go back and play EvE no one who really likes GW2 cares.

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9/14/12 3:03:00 AM#58
Originally posted by rankor2

Wow $1000!

your happy with that? I'd shoot myself.

Have you ever added up the cost for your necessary living expenses?

-Food

-Rent/house payment

-Electricity and water

-Health and Dental insurance

-Transportation (including insurance)

-Clothes

-Hygiene products (hopefully)

Now, factor in whether you have a substance habit

-Tobacco

-Crack

-Alcohol

-Weed

-Whatever floats your boat

Now, factor in how much you spend on entertainment

-TV

-Entertainment

-Hookers

-Night out with friends

-Renting/buying games and movies

Obviously not all of these will apply to you, but they are a good indictation of expenses and how high they can be.  $15/month for a game as high quality as Eve is a very good deal for entertainment purposes.

The only exception I can think of is if you are the type of person who gets immense joy on using free services.  Nothing really wrong with that - i've met players who enjoy extremely low quality free to play games but have the time of their lives because they aren't spending any money.

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9/14/12 3:03:30 AM#59

 

 

WOW! the GW2 fanbois are out thick tonight...

 

But to the OP, I can't really blame them, while I spent 3 years playing FFXI and they got my monies for several accounts, EVE didn't hold my intrest for a month.

 

....that being said I don't like GW2 either....so to each his own.

 

/thread

 

 

 

 

(And yes I did just /thread, because I have been given the power by God to /threads)

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9/14/12 3:05:20 AM#60
Originally posted by kadepsyson

Many MMORPGs offer a free trial period.  This is often a two week timeframe in which you can try the game at no cost to you.  Guild Wars 2 does not offer this.  The lasting appeal of the game Guild Wars 2 lasted for me about the same duration as the trial period other MMORPGs offer, but at an additional $60 cost.  Despite the lack of a subscription fee in Guild Wars 2, there weren't enough reasons for me to keep playing.  Thus I spent $60 dollars on a game I no longer play.

Sorry to say this, but you are a bit "naive".

When EVE Online came out there was no way that they offered a trial version. Now after years and years they do. It's  a normal SH-behaviour:   "kinda" hype ---> game launches for the first time ---> ppl subscribe ---> option A: game is a success: free trial to convince more ppl    OR ---> option B: game was not sold that much as thought:  free trial for showing peeps how good it is (in devs' mind).

Comparing EVE Online which has years on its shoulders since game launch and Guild Wars 2 which has launched now is kinda "naive". Especially in this case where the game is buy-to-play (which means no additional money except for itemshop and future expansions).

It's fairly acceptable that you don't enjoy a game. It's not acceptable to compare 2 games "possible" trial versions due to complete different business model.

(In the case of EVE Online I have to add that the SH gave this free trial period, too, to show more ppl the game mechanics. Ppl in the past didn't choose EVE because they were told that game was too complex and boring. So the SH did well to offer a free trial to convince some of them of the opposite. "Mouth-to-mouth" judgement sadly has a big weight mmorpgs-judgements).

 

/my 2 cents

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