Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Nitth

The problem here is they have orchestrated it in such a way that this number will ever decline. "2million units sold" 90% of the population could leave and it still would be "2 million units sold"

Not orchestrated as you said - they did sell 2 million copies period. That is what they are making their money on besides CS. Since there is no Sub fee, you can't look at that.

 

Rememebr GW1 still has people playing it 7 yrs after it was released.

Don't see the big deal, SWTOR had 2mil box sales, so what, noone considers that a successful MMO.  This number doesn't really mean much.  My guess is they will end up somewhere in the 3mil total boxes sold, I don't think there will be a very large active playerbase in 3 to 6 months though, end of the day it will be a niche MMO that is very well done if that is what your looking for in a game.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

(not a GW2 fanboi either)

wanna get technical, it toke wow a lot longer to sell 2 million copies. but who really cares, lets go play some games and have fun!

Originally posted by zaylin

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

(not a GW2 fanboi either)

wanna get technical, it toke wow a lot longer to sell 2 million copies. but who really cares, lets go play some games and have fun!

Most people are still playing Super ForumPVP 64 Hyper Championship Edition.  It has a lot of subscribers.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I have done no research so I'm only repeating numebrs that have been thrown around here for years.

If GW2, has currently sold 2M boxes, how many boxes has WoW sold?

If 10M players bought the original game plus 3, now 4 expanisons, we are looking at not 10M boxes but multiples of 10M boxes.

Like what 40M boxes over the years?

It is estimated WoW sold between 60-80 million boxes.

It's a VERY bad estimation. People from Asia does not buy boxes, you got that?

Fair enough. So we'll also disregard GW2 sales when it hits Asia as well then. Right?

 

Again guys this is a silly conversation. All we can get from the current evidence at hand is that GW2 has made some significant sales at launch. So financially they currently look to be doing pretty darn good. Now if they had only pushed something absurd like 100k units that would be different. As it stands now they've had a good start. Where they go from here in continued market appeal and player retention is something we will just have to wait and see on, until we can get some concrete evidence on how sales and the playerbase is shaking out. Anything else is right now is just pissing in the wind.

You know dam well, you will never see a player retention number from Arena Net. It's more important to focus on the box sales.

Look at GW1 boxed sales figures. What was it 6-7M? But that's not entirely accurate due to duplication because included the expansions. Not only did it include the expansinons, I remeber very well, the package deals where for the price of the expansion, you got the previous ones included. Guess what, that counted as 3 boxes. So what if you already had GW1 at home. thats even better now you are at 4 boxes. Certainly, that wasn't the case for every player, but for many it sure was.

So while people love to use WoW's 10-12M subs and compare it to GW1's 7M boxes, it's entirely inaccurate, because WoW sold boxes in the tens of millions over the years too.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

I sure hope so since GW2 doesnt have a SUB LOL dumb ***

Originally posted by silverreign

since the game isnt sub based, the box sales vs actual people playing are deceiving. i bought the game but i am not playing anymore. yet my box sale is being considered as a playing member. 2 million box sales doesnt exactly mean 2 million people playing

And because it is not sub-based, it only serves to be in Anet's favor - because they set no expectations for post box sale earnings.

Which means in their calculation, what the box sale alone is already accounted in to cover the cost and they need not worry about maintaining sub levels to make money.

So by players buying the boxes and not playing it only serves to benefit them (or at least not harm them much) since they need to account for less players and they already made the money off you though the box sales.

I have to say...I'm having a great time.  Really enjoying the game. 

I'd bla bla bla but I want to jump into the game and play a little bit before bed.  Later-

Originally posted by bestever

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

I sure hope so since GW2 doesnt have a SUB LOL dumb ***

Yes that was the joke, thanks for the name calling :)

Originally posted by Terranah

I have to say...I'm having a great time.  Really enjoying the game. 

I'd bla bla bla but I want to jump into the game and play a little bit before bed.  Later-

I chuckled because I let myself read 5 threads so I didn't get irritated at myself because I wasted too much gaming time.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

You know dam well, you will never see a player retention number from Arena Net. It's more important to focus on the box sales.

Look at GW1 boxed sales figures. What was it 6-7M? But that's not entirely accurate due to duplication because included the expansions. Not only did it include the expansinons, I remeber very well, the package deals where for the price of the expansion, you got the previous ones included. Guess what, that counted as 3 boxes. So what if you already had GW1 at home. thats even better now you are at 4 boxes. Certainly, that wasn't the case for every player, but for many it sure was.

 

So while people love to use WoW's 10-12M subs and compare it to GW1's 7M boxes, it's entirely inaccurate, because WoW sold boxes in the tens of millions over the years too.

You're a bit off on with your assesment there. By December 2008, GW1 had nearly 6 million unique accounts. That's not box sales. That's unique accounts and a lot of those accounts probably had multiple campaigns linked to them.

Edit: also consider that Blizzard doesn't charge box prices or subscription fees in their Asian market.

As "devil advocate" I must say I have installed GW2 few days ago and enjoying it a lot. And will for sure stay on my hard disk.

As my main games are Swtor, Wow and Rift, so I will be in GW2 up to max 25th sept. Pandas then Rift expansion.

But still i think GW2 is very good game for being not sub based. But is true have 7 alts between 5th and 8th level. And so far it looks cash shops are really only cosmetic, have spent only 20€ for 2 more slots, 1 more will as I know myself follow pretty soon. 

I never liked attitude, coming from any side even if wow haters account up to 95%), about anything should kill anything.

I hope all this great games and more stay.

Main  problem are cheap people that would love to live to the end of thier days on account of somebody else, i.e. parents, partners, ... They have 10 time money for smoke or drinks ... but not for enjoying good games.

Originally posted by arm0s
GW2 is more than just a game ... it's a lifestyle now. .

Define lifestyle. From what I can see it is so?

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

You mean the 4 or 5 Millions EU/NA customers or the rest from Asia?

Originally posted by stratasaurus

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Nitth

 

Don't see the big deal, SWTOR had 2mil box sales, so what, noone considers that a successful MMO.  This number doesn't really mean much.  My guess is they will end up somewhere in the 3mil total boxes sold, I don't think there will be a very large active playerbase in 3 to 6 months though, end of the day it will be a niche MMO that is very well done if that is what your looking for in a game.

Some points to be made here 

A) SWTOR was a StarWars game and StarWars is probably the biggest franchise in the world at the moment so it was bound to sell well. I would argue also that had StarWars TOR been buy to play ( as it should have been ) it would hav sold more and been considered a success .

B) Guild Wars 1 made nowhere near the impact Guild Wars 2 has and it sold 7 millon boxes sales . So your estimate of three million I would think so way off its probably residing somewhere between timbuktu and cloud cookoo land .

C)As for there not being a very large playerbase in 6 months I suggest you look at the very early posts in these forums and see how many people said the same thing  about Warcraft 7 years ago .

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by bestever

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

I sure hope so since GW2 doesnt have a SUB LOL dumb ***

Yes that was the joke, thanks for the name calling :)

It might have been best puting an lol or rofl laughing at the end of it or maybe an emote so people knew it was a joke . I suspected it might be but whens somethings just put up as you did it makes you sound more serious than you actually intended .  

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

You mean the 4 or 5 Millions EU/NA customers or the rest from Asia?

Uhm, calm down a bit guys, or you start a flame war.

GW2 is anyways being translated into Chinese as we speak so numbers should be comparible in a few years if you think comparing a B2P and a P2P game is fair.

Not that I see how it matters, if GW2 does good enough to add updates and expansions I am a happy camper. In Wows case it is getting a bit old by now so if you look past the nearest future you probably want to keep your eyes out for when Blizzard announce Wow2 (They will, 6 months after Titan is released or so).