Trending Games | WildStar | World of Warcraft | ArcheAge | Elder Scrolls Online

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,736,512 Users Online:0
Games:713  Posts:6,174,664
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » Guild Wars 2: 2 Million and Counting

21 Pages First « 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 » Last Search
416 posts found
  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4388

It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

9/13/12 2:52:10 PM#321
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by tawess

How good for them

 

"World of Warcraft Cataclysm sells 3.3M units in its first day out"

 

That should tell you units sold equals jack until the concurent users numbers show up. (and that of is where things turn a bit more bleak for WoW.) But then again, good for them. that shows that they have a good chance to make some serious money and that in turn is good for the future employment of the dev team. So *thumbs up*

Well, since you opened the doors to the 3.3 opening day cata numbers:  What if MOP has a lower number on opening day?  What would that tell us?

It would tell us that MOP had lower numbers on opening day.

I gotta love how a congratulatory thread going out to ANET turns into a "WoW's goin down" thread.

It just goes to show you how big WoW REALLY is. When the game can dominate Arena Net's own success threads in 3rd party forums, forget about player bases.

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

  lizardbones

Elite Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10376

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

9/13/12 2:58:35 PM#322


Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by IceAge Ok, fine! I will explain how I ended up at those numbers :   I toke the offical announcements for box sales for each expansion WoW had untill now! The vast result was that : 1) BC sold 3.5 mil copies in the first month! Can you safely say that it sold more then 5 mil copies untill now? With a subscription base of 12 mil at is *finest* and 9 mil which they have now? With 50% from the total subs in EU/NA where boxes counts? If yes, please tell me your facts! I will not be offended, trust me! 2) WOLK sold 2.8 mil 1st 24 hours while Cata sold 3.3 mil. Then Blizzard stoped releasing numbers after the first month ( unless you find a source ) . Now, how many boxes do you think they sold untill now? Where the base subs have been around 4-6 mils ? I add 5 mils copies each expansion, because the medium subscriptions were at 5 mil. That's why I ended up with 15 mils boxes sold ONLY for expansions! I then add another 5 mil boxes of the original WoW + another 5 mil just for the sake of being .. wrong! Heck, you can also add 5 mil in plus if you want! That would be 30 mil boxes sold! I did not put Asia here, since Blizzard never released Asia box sales, because they don't sell boxes over there as you may know! Don't get me wrong, I like when someone comes and .. tell me some good arguments about how I am wrong, so if you do have some good arguments, please share them with me! Again, I will not be offended and I will peaceful communicate with you! I do see that you have used some rudimentary maths, but you have still left out honey badgers. Also, you skipped to guessing the final number directly, instead of guessing an intermediate number. You're supposed to guess an intermediate number like the retention rate and then do calculations using the guessed at intermediate numbers. I don't know why, but for some reason guessing the intermediate numbers, and then calculating is preferable to guessing the final result.  Retention rate does not actually means the increase in boxe sales! You added up the retation rate from the begining to this date ( 8 years ) 8x9 = 72 + 9 mils = 81 : 2 = 40.5 mils! This is your number. Retention means static , and you cannot use it when it comes to boxe sales! You cannot multiply numbers of subscriptions with years and then say that 40.5 mils boxes have been sold. What you've done is basically say that 40.5 mil have been played WoW over 8 years! If I understood that correctly! And even so , you cannot actually say that all players have been purchased all the 3 expansion, because that would end up as 121.5 mil boxes sold.

Anyway , I am not saying that my calculation is correct! What I am saying is that retention is retantion, and you cannot multiply it by 8 for the sake of just muliply it because it has been out for 8 years!

The same 4.5 mil players ( numbers ) today, are the same 4.5 mil from last year! And the 4.5 mil for the last year are the same 4.5 mil from 2 years ago! And yes, there are almost the same players! You can't say that 4.5 mil from this year , are are totaly new from the 4.5 players from last year or 2 year ago! Ok, maybe not ALL of them, but the majority!


Originally posted by roo67 Originally posted by IceAge  
That's why I ended up with 15 mils boxes sold ONLY for expansions! I then add another 5 mil boxes of the original WoW + another 5 mil just for the sake of being .. wrong! Heck, you can also add 5 mil in plus if you want! That would be 30 mil boxes sold!  
Out of interest how many copys did WoW Vanilla sell in its first month ? Expansions to a popular established  game such as well are bound to sell well  . So really you need to compare the initial months sales of GW2 and WoW in such an arguement .  
Coming from this person it had: http://www.pvcmuseum.com/games/charts/world-of-warcraft-sales.htm Worldwide (January 2005) - 700,000



You have added exclamation points, this is good. Not as good as Honey Badger, but still, pretty good. You are also adding references to some of your statements. This is really good. You're still missing some intermediate guessed numbers though. You're supposed to guess a ratio of something and use it in your calculations. Make sure everyone knows it's a "ballpark" figure and you're golden.

Because Bacon, that's why.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Torvaldr

Elite Member

Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5507

9/13/12 3:03:41 PM#323
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by IceAge

WoW has been growing since the release to around 2010/2011 if I am correct which then had 12 mil subs! Let's just say that 20 mil has tried WoW since 2004 till today, it's a bit much , but just let's assume! From the total of 20 mil, 10 mil are the ones who bought boxes, since the rest are from Asia and most of them play from internet caffe's where they don't need to buy a boxe in order to play, they just need to pay by hour.

From the total of 10 mils of box buyers, in no way, they could ALL buy all 4 expansion.

Let's see :

Burning Crusade = 2.4 in the first 24h. 1st month 3.5 mils copies ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_The_Burning_Crusade )

Wrath of the Lich King = 2.8 mil in the first 24h ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Wrath_of_the_Lich_King

Cataclysm = 3.3 mil in the first 24 hours ( see above link for the source )

That makes 9.6 mils of box sales. No, it does not mean that if they sold 2.8 mil in the first 24 hours, it doubled in the first month ( see Burning Crusade )

Ok, let's say they sold 4 mil copies on each expansion, since WoW sold after the first month too! Fuck, let's put 5 mils each expansion. That means we have 15 mil boxes sold. Let's do a simple math now! 15 mil : 3 expansion, that's 5 mil players ( which is normal and kinda true from the blizzard reports ) and then let's add the 5 mil to the 15 mil , since peoples owned and payed for the box since the release of it! That would be 20 mils of boxes sold in EU/NA!

Heck, let's put 25 mils boxes, but that's it! No 40-60 or 80 mils boxes sold!

That was a rather unintelligible ramble of made up numbers and arbitrary calculation to prove your point. The fact that you were snarky about it made it quite amusing.

Can you share the formula you used for churn to get that 20 million? You did figure in churn, right?

I ask because i don't see it anywhere in your numbers - numbers you so smugly present to support your position.

See, my post to him was solely about the missing part of his math, a piece you seem to have overlooked, as well. If you took a moment from jumping on people to try to prove them wrong, you'd see that.

Ok, fine! I will explain how I ended up at those numbers :

I toke the offical announcements for box sales for each expansion WoW had untill now! The vast result was that :

1) BC sold 3.5 mil copies in the first month! Can you safely say that it sold more then 5 mil copies untill now? With a subscription base of 12 mil at is *finest* and 9 mil which they have now? With 50% from the total subs in EU/NA where boxes counts? If yes, please tell me your facts! I will not be offended, trust me!

2) WOLK sold 2.8 mil 1st 24 hours while Cata sold 3.3 mil. Then Blizzard stoped releasing numbers after the first month ( unless you find a source ) . Now, how many boxes do you think they sold untill now? Where the base subs have been around 4-6 mils ? I add 5 mils copies each expansion, because the medium subscriptions were at 5 mil.

That's why I ended up with 15 mils boxes sold ONLY for expansions! I then add another 5 mil boxes of the original WoW + another 5 mil just for the sake of being .. wrong! Heck, you can also add 5 mil in plus if you want! That would be 30 mil boxes sold!

I did not put Asia here, since Blizzard never released Asia box sales, because they don't sell boxes over there as you may know!

Don't get me wrong, I like when someone comes and .. tell me some good arguments about how I am wrong, so if you do have some good arguments, please share them with me! Again, I will not be offended and I will peaceful communicate with you!

Except WoW never had 9 - 12 million subscriptions.  It had 9 - 12 million active accounts of which a majority of those were in Asia.  The payment model there isn't the $15/mo is it.  So they weren't generating $15/mo  * 9mill players.  They were generating a few million sub dollars plus the rest from Asia which is really hard to calculate.  It's still not surpassed by any Western game, but it pales in comparison to the most popular Asian games.  I think WoW comes in at 5th in revenue comparison to the F2P games.

I want to point this out because WoW's success is only measured against the Western market but uses it's entire player pool to do so.  The hard to swallow fact is that, compared with Asia, the West is a much smaller demographic.

ANet will eventually crush WoW because it only has room to grow for several years.  WoW has very little room left to progress.  In all it's kind of a silly comparison because WoW was from a previous paradigm and the world and market are much different now.  I still believe that no one will topple the success Blizzard had at their pinnacle with WoW, including Blizzard themselves.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Loktofeit

Elite Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 11822

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ESO, and Combat Arms

9/13/12 3:04:57 PM#324
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by roo67

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by lizardbones   You didn't use maths, blasting or even Honey Badgers in your numbers. You could have at least thrown in some XFire. Like this: 8 years at 9 million players at a 50% retention rate gives you 9 million + (4.5 million times 7), which is HONEY BADGER!!!!1! No, it's 40.5 million boxes sold. See? That's how we roll around here.  
Word.
a) whats a honey badger is it like a normal badger ?

 

b) will they be playable in the expansion that folllows MoP ?

 




a) Honey Badger do not give a f***. They just don't.

b) I don't think so. But if you could, I might actually be able to stomach the mess that was Cataclysm's leveling to play one.

 

a) Honey Badger is one badass badger. Check this out.

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4388

It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

9/13/12 3:11:04 PM#325
Originally posted by Torvaldr
 

Except WoW never had 9 - 12 million subscriptions.  It had 9 - 12 million active accounts of which a majority of those were in Asia.  The payment model there isn't the $15/mo is it.  So they weren't generating $15/mo  * 9mill players.  They were generating a few million sub dollars plus the rest from Asia which is really hard to calculate.  It's still not surpassed by any Western game, but it pales in comparison to the most popular Asian games.  I think WoW comes in at 5th in revenue comparison to the F2P games.

I want to point this out because WoW's success is only measured against the Western market but uses it's entire player pool to do so.  The hard to swallow fact is that, compared with Asia, the West is a much smaller demographic.

ANet will eventually crush WoW because it only has room to grow for several years.  WoW has very little room left to progress.  In all it's kind of a silly comparison because WoW was from a previous paradigm and the world and market are much different now.  I still believe that no one will topple the success Blizzard had at their pinnacle with WoW, including Blizzard themselves.

I can appreciate your perspective and there is a lot of truth especially about the differences between the western and asian marktets, except it reads like you are trying to trivialize their revenue from the asian markets. Or trying to get us to exclude it.

And you are also making a pretty bold prediction there. Don't forget, this is ANET's 2nd attempt at this. And it really doesn't look like it's going to happen this time either.

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

  Thralia

Novice Member

Joined: 10/21/06
Posts: 234

9/13/12 3:20:39 PM#326
Originally posted by Torvaldr

ANet will eventually crush WoW because it only has room to grow for several years.  WoW has very little room left to progress.  In all it's kind of a silly comparison because WoW was from a previous paradigm and the world and market are much different now.  I still believe that no one will topple the success Blizzard had at their pinnacle with WoW, including Blizzard themselves.

ROFLMAO ! You are DELUSIONAL kid ;)

 

gw2 sold 2m copies by now as b2p game?  Diablo 3 sold 10m copies prerelease (with wows annual pass but it doesnt matter cause money is money.

 

not even talking about WoW.. there will never again be a mmorpg so successfull because the market is overflooded.

 

except project titan possibly. i bought every single  blizzard game since warctaft 2 and i blizzard never failed to impress me and i gladly give them my money for their next MMORPG .

 

  TdogSkal

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/11/06
Posts: 1259

Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants.

9/13/12 3:29:40 PM#327
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by DiSpLiFF
Originally posted by gravesworn
Really can we compare it to other mmos as far as financial inqury is concerned? Would we not need to compare it to other non subscription based games? Does anyone know how to find the first two weeks of box sales for wow? I dont know how you to compare a subscription based game over a non subscription based game.

Diablo 3 sold over 3.6 million in 24 hours if you want to compare to non-subscription game. 

just throwing it out there. 

Yea but I think its pretty safe to say that Most of those who bought D3 got it because they loved D2 and had to wait 10+ years for a new Diablo and I think its safe to say that the good majority do not play D3 anymore because it was a crappy game.

So yes Diablo 3 should have out sold Guild Wars 2.  Many more people have been waiting on Diablo 3 then Guild Wars 2.

7 million total in GW1 sales. Acording to your logic regarding Diablo, GW1 too also has an established fan base so it should have sold a lot more then?

 

No, per my logic, more then 7 million people played D2 and where waiting for the next Diablo which is a much bigger fan base then Guild wars or Guild wars 2.   Also, People know that Guild Wars 2 is not Guild Wars 1 but people did not know that Diable 3 was not going to be like Diable 2 at the time. 

You might need to learn about logic before you hurt yourself.

Sooner or Later

  TdogSkal

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/11/06
Posts: 1259

Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants.

9/13/12 3:32:25 PM#328
Originally posted by Lethality
Originally posted by Nikkita
 

7 million total in GW1 sales. Acording to your logic regarding Diablo, GW1 too also has an established fan base so it should have sold a lot more then?

 

Yeah they seem to gloss over this. The minute you say GW1 was a minor game, they say BUT IT SOLD 7 MILLOIN!N!N!#!@!

And as soon as GW2 doesn't sell 7 million, they say NTO AS BIG AS DIABLO LOLOLLO

 

 

Gloss over what? That D2 had more then 7 million people playing it and waiting for the next diablo?  Nope, nobody but you and the other haters do not realize or care to understand that the Diablo fan base is larger then the Guild Wars 2 fan base. 

Diablo 3 had people waiting 10+ years for it, of course it sold better.   Non MMO gamer where waiting on Diablo3 as well as MMO gamers.  I know its hard for people like you think there are gamers that never touch MMOs but thats reality.

Sooner or Later

  Jonoku

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 6/08/12
Posts: 663

"Veni Vidi Vici"

9/13/12 3:34:35 PM#329
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

Gotta be a troll post, GW2 has no subs.

Looking at: The Repopulation
Preordering: None
Playing: Random Games

  wrightstuf

Novice Member

Joined: 8/12/09
Posts: 708

9/13/12 3:36:22 PM#330
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

thats not saying much, as gw2 doesnt have a subscription :p

 

  wrightstuf

Novice Member

Joined: 8/12/09
Posts: 708

9/13/12 3:44:14 PM#331
Originally posted by silverreign

since the game isnt sub based, the box sales vs actual people playing are deceiving. i bought the game but i am not playing anymore. yet my box sale is being considered as a playing member. 2 million box sales doesnt exactly mean 2 million people playing

thats a good point. i also bought the game but dont play.

you cant compare a sub based game to a B2P game easily. its apples to oranges.

like if you were going by box sales for WoW, for example...its box sales thru the years i'm sure far outnumber its active subs

  Thralia

Novice Member

Joined: 10/21/06
Posts: 234

9/13/12 3:46:17 PM#332

yes yes dont compare p2p with b2p

 

d3 vs gw2 sales is good ..and oh yeah i still play it and so is everyone of my friends..maybe u dont know but diablo was never a game u play non stop. it was alwaays a game u coem back to and play for few hours.. a backup game for fun in short bursts so to say.

also we arent here talking if the game is a success for the players..we are talking about success as in sales and i predict GW2 will not reach GW 1 sales ever simply because the market was almost EMPTY when GW1 was released and i myself stuck with it for many many years (also playing wow at same time).

i mean look at all the MMO releases in 2012 !! its CRAZY how many good new games are coming out and NONE of them will hold the playerbase for long.

 

2012 is simply a awesome year for the gamer but a very bad year for publishers and developers.

  waynejr2

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/12/11
Posts: 3705

RIP City of Heroes!

9/13/12 3:52:26 PM#333
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by tawess

How good for them

 

"World of Warcraft Cataclysm sells 3.3M units in its first day out"

 

That should tell you units sold equals jack until the concurent users numbers show up. (and that of is where things turn a bit more bleak for WoW.) But then again, good for them. that shows that they have a good chance to make some serious money and that in turn is good for the future employment of the dev team. So *thumbs up*

Well, since you opened the doors to the 3.3 opening day cata numbers:  What if MOP has a lower number on opening day?  What would that tell us?

It would tell us that MOP had lower numbers on opening day.

I gotta love how a congratulatory thread going out to ANET turns into a "WoW's goin down" thread.

It just goes to show you how big WoW REALLY is. When the game can dominate Arena Net's own success threads in 3rd party forums, forget about player bases.

You can't tell if I am pro wow, anti wow or playing devils advocate here.  You can presume, but that's your bag baby.

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4388

It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

9/13/12 3:57:07 PM#334
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by tawess

How good for them

 

"World of Warcraft Cataclysm sells 3.3M units in its first day out"

 

That should tell you units sold equals jack until the concurent users numbers show up. (and that of is where things turn a bit more bleak for WoW.) But then again, good for them. that shows that they have a good chance to make some serious money and that in turn is good for the future employment of the dev team. So *thumbs up*

Well, since you opened the doors to the 3.3 opening day cata numbers:  What if MOP has a lower number on opening day?  What would that tell us?

It would tell us that MOP had lower numbers on opening day.

I gotta love how a congratulatory thread going out to ANET turns into a "WoW's goin down" thread.

It just goes to show you how big WoW REALLY is. When the game can dominate Arena Net's own success threads in 3rd party forums, forget about player bases.

You can't tell if I am pro wow, anti wow or playing devils advocate here.  You can presume, but that's your bag baby.

Doesn't matter what your preference is. Thread still turned towards WoW.

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

  Thralia

Novice Member

Joined: 10/21/06
Posts: 234

9/13/12 4:00:02 PM#335
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by tawess

How good for them

 

"World of Warcraft Cataclysm sells 3.3M units in its first day out"

 

That should tell you units sold equals jack until the concurent users numbers show up. (and that of is where things turn a bit more bleak for WoW.) But then again, good for them. that shows that they have a good chance to make some serious money and that in turn is good for the future employment of the dev team. So *thumbs up*

Well, since you opened the doors to the 3.3 opening day cata numbers:  What if MOP has a lower number on opening day?  What would that tell us?

It would tell us that MOP had lower numbers on opening day.

I gotta love how a congratulatory thread going out to ANET turns into a "WoW's goin down" thread.

It just goes to show you how big WoW REALLY is. When the game can dominate Arena Net's own success threads in 3rd party forums, forget about player bases.

You can't tell if I am pro wow, anti wow or playing devils advocate here.  You can presume, but that's your bag baby.

Doesn't matter what your preference is. Thread still turned towards WoW.

and u are only making sure that WoW dominates another gw2 thread ..keep supporting!!

  Sukiyaki

Elite Member

Joined: 8/14/09
Posts: 1271

9/13/12 4:10:01 PM#336

I always wonder where those 12 million WoW and 10 million D3 user ar, the WoW kids always bring up. They mostly seem to be missing here on Western game server. Because currently it looks more like ~2 million semactive WoW and 2 million d3 user are playing on EU/US server  vs GW2's ~2 million highly active EU/US userbase

 

Are we comparing global launch/post launch sales/usernumbers of games with 20 times larger marketing budget, including free handouts, including alternative payment/trial system models and finished expansion to (quantitative) much larger foreign markets, up to 8 years after launch vs GW2 EU/US sales after 2 weeks?

 

But that would be biased and misleading would it? The Blizzard fanbois wouldn't try to do that, would they?

 
 
 
  f0dell54

Novice Member

Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

9/13/12 4:16:45 PM#337
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

GW2 doesn't have subscribers. It has people that buy it and play it. They subscribe to nothing. So, yea WoW will have more subscribers then GW2 ever will.

  QuicklyScott

Novice Member

Joined: 4/27/12
Posts: 448

The opinion of a penguin.

9/13/12 4:21:27 PM#338
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

GW2 doesn't have subscribers. It has people that buy it and play it. They subscribe to nothing. So, yea WoW will have more subscribers then GW2 ever will.

That was the joke.  He's been quoted for it multiple times this whole thread.  He has successfully trolled you all.

  f0dell54

Novice Member

Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

9/13/12 4:23:29 PM#339
Originally posted by QuicklyScott
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by kadepsyson
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

GW2 doesn't have subscribers. It has people that buy it and play it. They subscribe to nothing. So, yea WoW will have more subscribers then GW2 ever will.

That was the joke.  He's been quoted for it multiple times this whole thread.  He has successfully trolled you all.

Troll accepted

Well played sir. Well played

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4388

It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

9/13/12 4:27:43 PM#340
Originally posted by Thralia
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by tawess

How good for them

 

"World of Warcraft Cataclysm sells 3.3M units in its first day out"

 

That should tell you units sold equals jack until the concurent users numbers show up. (and that of is where things turn a bit more bleak for WoW.) But then again, good for them. that shows that they have a good chance to make some serious money and that in turn is good for the future employment of the dev team. So *thumbs up*

Well, since you opened the doors to the 3.3 opening day cata numbers:  What if MOP has a lower number on opening day?  What would that tell us?

It would tell us that MOP had lower numbers on opening day.

I gotta love how a congratulatory thread going out to ANET turns into a "WoW's goin down" thread.

It just goes to show you how big WoW REALLY is. When the game can dominate Arena Net's own success threads in 3rd party forums, forget about player bases.

You can't tell if I am pro wow, anti wow or playing devils advocate here.  You can presume, but that's your bag baby.

Doesn't matter what your preference is. Thread still turned towards WoW.

and u are only making sure that WoW dominates another gw2 thread ..keep supporting!!

If this was directed at me, I really don't care one way or another who supports what. I was simply making the observation about the direction this thread went and why. 

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

21 Pages First « 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 » Last Search