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OP  9/12/12 2:30:28 AM#1

Well I enjoyed my time up until recently in rift.

 

It wasnt the mechanics or raiding or any of that stuff.  It was the bullying and constant negativity that eventually pushed me to cancel. 

 

I just did not see the point in investing money into a game only to see that garbage, whether your a victim of bullying or witness it happen to someone else. 

 

It just sours the whole experience in my opinion.  Its a real shame though, really liked that game but after this.  I am pretty much disgusted with the idea of even logging in anymore.

 

I know most games have this as well, but from what I saw tonite, it was pretty much out there and I am surprised it was not moderated before it went out of control. 

 

Whats the deal Trion care to comment?  Aside from saying we can ignore and report?  Does that really do anything other than give the victim of bullying some false sense of satisfaction?  What about the other people who log in without knowing to ignore that person, do you think its ok to subject new people to this type of behavior?  Is this a new business strategy, hate on them and we will just give in and pay?  Better think again.

 

 

Message to people is simple, be mindful if not empathetic to a person, we really dont know them and saying such hurtful or hateful comments could do alot more damage than you know.   Just think about it, how you like that being said to someone you care about?

 

I like to tell people dont follow in the footsteps of ignorance. But we all know that song dont we.  For as long as I have been playing games, its seems to be same song and dance.  Things get out of control, feelings get hurt, cancel, move onto something else.  Change names, change servers, etc.   When will this cycle stop? 

 

Try not to flame too much, but honestly, why bully people in a game?  I know some call it trolling, but to take it to the level where its a personal attack and everyone jumps on board?  CMon really?  Is that necessary? 

 

Well I guess its good to concentrate on the positives from this experience.

 

I now have 14$ back on my credit card! 

 

I have a lot more free time to spend with people that dont bully me!  Thats a plus!

 

No more finding mystery food in my keyboard!  Kitteh will have to get up and eat somewhere else now.  Kitteh gets exercise!

 

Can go outdoors and stare at that big ball of light!

 

Im sure there lots of things I can do but the point is, when you bully someone, everyone becomes a victim whether its directed at you or not.   Those actions cause other actions, and when its negative based, they usually end up taking away from everything around it.  I think its physics related.  But whatever. 

 

Even the bully becomes the victim eventually, because they suddenly find themselves, alone.

 

 

Going to give TSW another shot, so good luck my friends and hope you negative types mature greatly!

-Peace!

  JeroKane

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9/12/12 2:35:38 AM#2

You have those idiots in every single game sadly.

The only thing you can do is report and ignore.

In the end when everyone puts him on ignore, he will be left alone bullying with himself.

  FrodoFragins

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9/12/12 2:36:13 AM#3

Very vague.  Bullied how?  Bullied by guildies  Bullied by people you grouped with?

 

It can happen in any game you know.

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OP  9/12/12 3:29:09 AM#4

This is in general, I do not want to out anyone as I feel that would be a breach of those individuals privacy.  I am certain if they run across this post then they will know who they are.

 

 

This was in the entire chat channel for the most part as well as in some groups, such as warfronts, conquests, and I have also seen this happen on other servers in Rift as well and I have yet to see a GM moderate chat to the extent of removing troublemakers.  I apologize for the long post but I did have a lot on my mind and primarily was trying to understand the fundamental concept of the bully, I really think they is more that can be discovered in efforts to circumvent that process and hopefully salvage a decent game in my opinion. 

 

Now if a GM has done this and I am not aware and you<the people of this forum> has seen it, please set me straight.  Last thing I would want to do is cause a stir when there is indeed action being taken place.  This is based on my experiences alone and I am sure we all have similar or different experiences regarding the environment.

 

Aside from the controls in place by the game developers, I am sure we have all seen when chat can go from civil to just plain rude.  People jump on the bandwagon so to speak and its almost like a mob mentality. 

 

I also understand that almost every game out there has elements like this, thats just part of the way things are, the problem I was pointing out was my current experiences in Rift and basically how its gotten to the point where logging in and seeing this is actually depressing!  A customer should not feel that way let alone pay for it.

 

If I want that, then I will just watch the news, go to school, or try to sit with the cool people, etc.

 

So I guess now the question has evolved, is it possible for a bully to co-exist within a gaming environment amongst other people who may or may not be affected by this virtual action or response?

 

Also this raises a new question, could there be a misinterpretation of what is being read by one person vs another with a developmental problem such as the various ailments plaguing a persons ability to comprehend?

 

That makes for an interesting argument in my opinion.

 

Overall though, is it the games responsibility to moderate this virtual environment or keep the virtual environment in a particular balance?    I find the latter to be a true statement to a majority but overall is not capable without proper moderation whcih brings back to the beginning.  Thus the cycle I wrote about earlier, how far should a person go to repeat this cycle in the different games? 

 

I felt that tonite was my enough stage, and quite frankly, that scares me as I have never been to this level before, sure I have left other games only to go back in a few months but this feeling is completely different.  I feel it is as a result of that bully behavior directed at me as well as other people. 

 

I dont mean to pick on Rift, but it happened and happens in Rift quite frequently to the point where it warranted this dialogue.

Just my cents rather.

 

Sori to ramble, its late and I go off on tangents! :)

 

  freston

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Joined: 8/20/07
Posts: 530

9/12/12 3:33:46 AM#5
You are aware that rift has free server transfer, arent you? Give it a try on a rp server. Dont know why, but people tend to be more mature there.
  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
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9/12/12 3:34:35 AM#6
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Very vague.  Bullied how?  Bullied by guildies  Bullied by people you grouped with?

It can happen in any game you know.

Of course it can but I can see why OP quit when it became too much.

Personally is my advice to join a good guild and just turn off the OCC/general chat. If guildies act like that there are good mechanics since you can speak with an officer and have them either talk with the offender or just boot him. I lead a GW2 guild myself and we dont tolerate that kind of behavior.

  maji

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9/12/12 3:41:33 AM#7
Originally posted by JeroKane

You have those idiots in every single game sadly.

I agree. Though I think as well that the communities are more hostile, the younger the target audience is, and the more focused the game is on pvp.

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
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9/12/12 11:41:22 AM#8

Why can I not help but think this has to do with a certina player who's character name starts with "I" and the intentional trolling that ensues?

If this is related, I agree, it gets out of control and GMs need to get involved. It always escalates.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Ausare

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Joined: 3/23/11
Posts: 870

9/12/12 11:50:28 AM#9
Can not believe people these days are so weak willed that internet anonymous people can get to them. Ignore and report is fine. It is not like they are going to come beat you up.
  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5268

9/12/12 11:56:03 AM#10


Originally posted by Ausare
Can not believe people these days are so weak willed that internet anonymous people can get to them. Ignore and report is fine. It is not like they are going to come beat you up.

If this is related to the situation I think it is, It goes beyond using ignore. It's pretty bad and the GMs really do need to get involved. And not just for the sake of the people involved but it really disrupts the entire community.

If it isn't the same, then that means this is happening elsewhere too and that's even more reason, Trion needs to step in and passing out some temporary bans to send a message.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  kevjards

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Joined: 9/27/10
Posts: 1453

9/12/12 11:59:11 AM#11
when i first started lotro this happened to me ,but rather than quit i turned it on him/her.by broadcasting the name and linking evrything he was saying in /tells..he soon got the message when his kin warned him and tld by most members of the community to grow up..he did grow up and now we believe it or not we are friends..i dont know if he was having probs in RL,but he got the message.even if he was having trouble in RL you dont bring it into a game..never regretted stayingwith lotro.amazing game and also amazing community..laurelin server(rp)
  Jerek_

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Posts: 403

9/12/12 12:05:37 PM#12
Its hard to understand what the actual issue here is from this thread, but no matter what happened in a game I think its a mistake to let trolls push you out.  You could always make a new alt or use the transfer system to keep playing on a different server for a while, even change your characters name with it if you wanted.  Anyway, I hope you don't let trolls drive you away from something you enjoy, thats basically the ultimate victory for that kind of person.
  BlackWatch

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9/12/12 12:12:59 PM#13

The issue is pretty clear... the OP is sick/tired of the way that the community AND moderators allow the 'trade-chat-trash' to poison their games.

We all know the types.

Can I turn off trade-chat/general-chat/local-chat/city-chat?  Sure.  But... why?  So i can feel like I'm playing another single player game?  So I can miss out on people that are broadcasting and forming groups for activities? 

 

Again, I would pay an extra $5 a month for a 'mature' server.  By 'mature', I mean, a server that's intended for 'adults' and is heavily policed by moderators. 

 

  Jerek_

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9/12/12 12:25:52 PM#14
Originally posted by BlackWatch

The issue is pretty clear... the OP is sick/tired of the way that the community AND moderators allow the 'trade-chat-trash' to poison their games.

We all know the types.

Can I turn off trade-chat/general-chat/local-chat/city-chat?  Sure.  But... why?  So i can feel like I'm playing another single player game?  So I can miss out on people that are broadcasting and forming groups for activities? 

 

Again, I would pay an extra $5 a month for a 'mature' server.  By 'mature', I mean, a server that's intended for 'adults' and is heavily policed by moderators. 

 

It sounded like there was something more specific going on than that to me.  If its as simple as what you are saying then I guess he is out of luck.  if you can't handle that kind of thing, aren't willing to ignore it, and refuse to turn the channel off then you have decided to let trolls dictate your ability to enjoy a game.

  Channce

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9/12/12 12:28:59 PM#15
sorry you were bullied, i would have simply put those idiots on /ignore.  Sometimes i think an /allow list would be better than an /ignore tho.

When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.

  VirusDancer

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9/12/12 2:46:00 PM#16

If it's something that goes beyond what a simple ignore resolves, then it's obviously crossed over into the realm of harrassment.  At that point, it's a case of sending in the ticket.  If it's not resolved at that point, then it becomes a case of contacting customer service.  Again, if it's not addressed at that point - it's a case of contacting corporate.  There are many laws in place that a game company will not want to face the consequences of legal actions, both civil and criminal, in regard to such matters so they will address them...

...as long as that is what is actually taking place.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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OP  9/12/12 3:42:49 PM#17

This is not about how strong a persons willpower is.  This is about bullying in an online environment.  Does it matter if a strong willed person gets bullied?  Does that make it ok in your opinion?

 

What about a person without the ability to balance willpower in that environment.  More and more people are subjected to this type of unwanted behavior everyday and if I am not mistaken, rules are being updated to curb this type of behavior down to the point of it being illegal.

 

The idea of anonymously bullying another person and thinking well no one will ever know who they are.  Those days are long gone.  The recordkeeping and logging, current trends in tracking software can make it fairly easy to find the source.  Computer forensics has come a great deal of distance based on your current world trends and needs, for example, terrorism, money transfers, use of throw away phones.  Alll these things have capabilities now of being tracked and located.

 

Its just a matter of time and up to the office that is responsible to ensure enforcement does happen. 

 

Interesting concept you speak of though, that If I am making a dialogue then I am weak willed?   Would I be correct in how I read your statement?

 

  On what basis do you draw this conclusion?  I would like to know for reference only and I am in no way calling you out, if you dont feel comfortable replying here please send me a private message and we can dialogue in private but I would like to share the overal subject criteria of our conversation so other people could benefit from t his learning experience.

 

On the note about coming to a person house to beat them up, that could happen, with todays technology it is not outside the realm of possibility an individual could use tools to identify a target and then attack them physically.  It has happened in the past several years,  main stream media has mention things like this.

 

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OP  9/12/12 4:09:36 PM#18
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Why can I not help but think this has to do with a certina player who's character name starts with "I" and the intentional trolling that ensues?

If this is related, I agree, it gets out of control and GMs need to get involved. It always escalates.

I understand your curiousness, everyone would love to know particulars but to do so would be in violation of my ethical viewpoints towards a persons privacy. 

 

I have not contacted these individuals and have not asked for persmission to post trasnscripts or names of the offending parties plus, since Trion says they are investigating this, I do not want to tip off these people to that fact as well.  I would prefer to let them get caught in the act and dealt with in whatever way Trion deems necessary.

 

I very much appreaciate your feedback on the subject matter and I can only say that there are plenty of occurrences in this past week alone that has been witnessed to or affected by this type of behavior.

 

 

I think as a whole, the majority of people would not tolerate this behavior but heres the question for you if you dont mind, would you stop this behavior from happening to a total stranger on a server.  The scenario is this, you login, and right from the start you see the 1-29 chat or the 50 chat alive with commottion, people going back and forth and eventually you come to the conclusion they are targetting one person.    Now this one person is continually responding and of course the others are just baiting, you might see or two ringleaders trading shots but overall it is degrading to that invidual. 

 

Now recognize that we know when someone is just being a troll to start something versus a person who is on the defensive.  The way to tell is by emotional responses vs abstract nonsense response.

 

At least by my references that seems the way it goes.  If I am wrong or soemone else has a better explanation to recognize then please share with us.

 

What would be your response and there really is no right or wrong answer and if you dont feel comfortable answering then I respect your decision.  


Either case thank you very much for participating, I find these kinds of dialogues a learning experience for myself as well as others.

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OP  9/12/12 4:28:46 PM#19

Also,

 

I would appreciate if a representative from Trion could comment on this and explain to us what controls are in place to keep this from happening to someone else?  Something other than the blanket statement of /report /ignore  or turning off channels.  Sure that hides it from someone that being offended but what about the person that has not been targetted yet?    What about the future customers and subscribers that are going to be subjected to this?

 

These are mechanics in the game to handle offensive things, a bully operates outside these controls.    Personally from what my analysis on the past few months, this system should be upgraded to handle this type of behavior on a scale that is much faster than the current features.  I think those features are good for spammers.  Bots that put out data to a mass audience.

 

What about a thinking, intelligent if you will person that is targtting specific people whether in PUGs, CQ, WF, gen chat etc.

 

With the new exapansion coming out in Novemeber, I really would like assurances from Trion that this environment will be moderated to the extent it needs to be so the majority of the normal players are not subjected to this behavior, whether be the victim or the witness to it.

 

Or dont respond and I will take that as Trion does not care to address it with a response.  In either case lack of a response is how we got here!  So keep that in mind ...

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9/12/12 4:31:55 PM#20
Originally posted by Scarletgreen

Also,

I would appreciate if a representative from Trion could comment on this and explain to us what controls are in place to keep this from happening to someone else?

.../snip...

Or dont respond and I will take that as Trion does not care to address it with a response.  In either case lack of a response is how we got here!  So keep that in mind ...

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