Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Z3R01

I would have purchased this day one if it was Buy to play.

The games not worth a subscription. 

Honestly I don't think any game on the market is worth a subscription...

Do games offer as much if not more than they did back in 1997?  Keeping in mind that while it may be a case of not necessarily liking what they offer...do they offer as much if not more?  Did you not pay subs back in 1997?  If the answer to both of those is yes, how could you say that no game on the market is worth a sub?

I can kinda see his point as well. When I started with Meridian 59 in 1996 bandwidth was a huge cost and there were no alternatives. Sure, 15 bucks today is less than the 10 (I think it was 10, it was a really long time ago) in 1996 but TSW do have a cashshop

I decided when cashshops became common to never start with a game that have both cashshop and monthly fees, that is robbery. That was the reason I didnt buy the game at launch, I have no problem with paying 15 bucks a month all inclusive or even 20 but my principles forbid me to buy the game right now just as it did with Diablo 3.

To be honest didnt I quit EQ2 when they added the cashshop, I just whined and I did look really hard on TSW when it launched, I like the world.

But box cost + montly fees + itemshop = expensive in my book and I support P2P.

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Z3R01

I would have purchased this day one if it was Buy to play.

The games not worth a subscription. 

Honestly I don't think any game on the market is worth a subscription...

Do games offer as much if not more than they did back in 1997?  Keeping in mind that while it may be a case of not necessarily liking what they offer...do they offer as much if not more?  Did you not pay subs back in 1997?  If the answer to both of those is yes, how could you say that no game on the market is worth a sub?

        Other than UO, what was even avilable in 1997?? Today we have over 570 MMOs (not even including the browser games) and many of those are free.....And yeah TSW was not worth a sub...In fact its cash grab may have hurt it more than anything (box + sub + cash shop = FTL)...The game fell so far short of expectations that Funcom will be lucky to be in business next year.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Z3R01

I would have purchased this day one if it was Buy to play.

The games not worth a subscription. 

Honestly I don't think any game on the market is worth a subscription...

Do games offer as much if not more than they did back in 1997?  Keeping in mind that while it may be a case of not necessarily liking what they offer...do they offer as much if not more?  Did you not pay subs back in 1997?  If the answer to both of those is yes, how could you say that no game on the market is worth a sub?

I can kinda see his point as well. When I started with Meridian 59 in 1996 bandwidth was a huge cost and there were no alternatives. Sure, 15 bucks today is less than the 10 (I think it was 10, it was a really long time ago) in 1996 but TSW do have a cashshop

I decided when cashshops became common to never start with a game that have both cashshop and monthly fees, that is robbery. That was the reason I didnt buy the game at launch, I have no problem with paying 15 bucks a month all inclusive or even 20 but my principles forbid me to buy the game right now just as it did with Diablo 3.

To be honest didnt I quit EQ2 when they added the cashshop, I just whined and I did look really hard on TSW when it launched, I like the world.

But box cost + montly fees + itemshop = expensive in my book and I support P2P.

There is nothing in the cash shop you need to buy to fully experience everything in TSW.

I cant say the same thing about EQ2. I went back and saw that the characters (my highest) which I had access to before I left I either needed to sub or spend in the store to access them. It was only F2P if I wanted to start again with less then I had before they went F2P.

How awful :(

Making such a nieche game (that's awesome though) obviously gets less sales.

MMORPG business is so harsh ;O

Originally posted by erictlewis
I got a bad fealing that tsw is going to get the axe if this keeps up. I can go hours of gameplay and never see another individual until i  head to the loby area of either london or argatha.

Many times after layoffs come server merges. 

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Originally posted by VirusDancer

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Originally posted by Z3R01 I would have purchased this day one if it was Buy to play. The games not worth a subscription.  Honestly I don't think any game on the market is worth a subscription...

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Do games offer as much if not more than they did back in 1997?  Keeping in mind that while it may be a case of not necessarily liking what they offer...do they offer as much if not more?  Did you not pay subs back in 1997?  If the answer to both of those is yes, how could you say that no game on the market is worth a sub?

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I hate when people make this argument. It doesn't matter what was happening in 1997, TSW is NOT competing with games from 1997. It's competing with games in 2012 and when you take a look at what's out there, no it's not worth a sub fee.

Welcome to EA Funcom. Soon  the studio will read "Bioware/Mythic/Funcom"

And now because of their stupidity in using EA, AoC wwill suffer greatly.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Bully

It's Aoc all over again, expect pvp to go untouched while they add a bunch of raids and stuff.

Hasn't swtor and gw2 taught mmo devs
Make your endgame for hardcore pveers = fail
Make your endgame for everyone else = success

For me, this is true. If they only keep adding raids, I'm not interested.

I like the *potential* this game has for 3-faction pvp and for exploration and for innovation in other aspects of the world. Faction balance, however, is an issue. Why do so many people roll Templar? I'm a Dragon, and it's really a disadvantage now, even the last time I checked on Cerberus Fusang which was today. There was me and one other Dragon and Fusang was totally Templar. It was discouraging because I re-rolled on Cerberus because it was the most balanced server.

I don't need raids. WoW and Rift have that covered and I already have max-level toons over there if I want to pick up grinding for gear again (which I don't because I'm done with that game).

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Z3R01

I would have purchased this day one if it was Buy to play.

The games not worth a subscription. 

Honestly I don't think any game on the market is worth a subscription...

Do games offer as much if not more than they did back in 1997?  Keeping in mind that while it may be a case of not necessarily liking what they offer...do they offer as much if not more?  Did you not pay subs back in 1997?  If the answer to both of those is yes, how could you say that no game on the market is worth a sub?

Doesn't really matter if they offer the same or more than they did in 97, mainly because there was so little competition, and if you wanted to play an mmo, you had to pay.  Today there is much more competition and some of it doesn't require a subscription fee.  Thus, in 97 if you wanted to play you paid, today you actually have options if you want to play but don't want a monthly fee.

That avoids the question.

Those games, UO, EQ, DAoC, SWG, EVE and even WoW that were good enough have been changed so drastically that they are no longer the same experiences... so no they are not worth the subscription price.

In this day and age with the way the economy is and how much competition the market has to ask for 180+ dollars for one game yearly is assaine. 

I don't think any game will ever be worth a subscription fee again.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
180$ is nothing though, it just looks big because its a yearly total.

I spend at least 10 times that on going to the pub, and I only go out once a week.

American's are struggling right now, I can't even afford GW2 yet. Almost 8% of americans that can even be up to 10-15% of Americans are out of work, looking for work, not looking for work, and giving up.

England and other nations might not be in as bad shape as we are, and the feeling hs is waiting to get invaded by china russia or a combination.

The market is saturated with players who do not want to pay for quality. They are happy to accept a lesser quality game and when that one has run its course they bounce to the next one.

The worst thing to happen to MMORPGs was for them to go mainstream.

Wow, was the game doing that bad, I thought it was good.

Originally posted by TalulaRose

The market is saturated with players who do not want to pay for quality. They are happy to accept a lesser quality game and when that one has run its course they bounce to the next one.

The worst thing to happen to MMORPGs was for them to go mainstream.

I can't disagree more, thats the problem with the genre. The zealous fans that only want the genre to stay super small and not progress foward. Yes, there are bad things that come from opening up to a wider audience but also a lot of good comes from it. The industry will not grow if it stays stagnet.

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Originally posted by Dragonantis
Wow, was the game doing that bad, I thought it was good.

 

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Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by TalulaRose

The market is saturated with players who do not want to pay for quality. They are happy to accept a lesser quality game and when that one has run its course they bounce to the next one.

The worst thing to happen to MMORPGs was for them to go mainstream.

I can't disagree more, thats the problem with the genre. The zealous fans that only want the genre to stay super small and not progress foward. Yes, there are bad things that come from opening up to a wider audience but also a lot of good comes from it. The industry will not grow if it stays stagnet.

I have yet to see anything that the F2P and B2P games have done to progress.

Originally posted by TalulaRose

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by TalulaRose

The market is saturated with players who do not want to pay for quality. They are happy to accept a lesser quality game and when that one has run its course they bounce to the next one.

The worst thing to happen to MMORPGs was for them to go mainstream.

I can't disagree more, thats the problem with the genre. The zealous fans that only want the genre to stay super small and not progress foward. Yes, there are bad things that come from opening up to a wider audience but also a lot of good comes from it. The industry will not grow if it stays stagnet.

I have yet to see anything that the F2P and B2P games have done to progress.

Its more than the business model. Its the ideas to expand the genre.