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  User Deleted
9/10/12 8:40:15 PM#41
Originally posted by Deivos

Eggy, I'm pretty certain being quadrapalegic does put you off at a notable disadvantage.

 

So...yeah yer commentary just kinda comes off as derisive, dismissive, and honestly makes you sound like a bit of a bastard.

 

Making fun of anyone for a physical disability or feature because it amuses someone else is rude. There's certainly varying degrees to this, and not everything needs to be banned for the sake of being politically correct. However, things that derive humor at the expence of through the slander of others needs to be considered in how offensive it may be to the targets of the humor because it's very much so ridicule.

 

Bit hypocritical of me because in daily life I will take jabs at overweight people and others that make comments of beliefs I know or perceive to be patently false or dumb. I will joke about stereotyopes. In genreal I am pretty cynical and sarcastic. I do however also acknowledge the implications of what I do and I do regulate myself in mediums where there is some aim for respect.

 

I might crack a joke about someone in a wheelchair having sweet rims, but are you going to turn around and start pretending to be paralyzed and mock them to their face? Are you going to stat calling yourself 'the paralyzed patriot' and stroll about in a wheelchairfor no apparent purpose before wandering off, in public?

 

If no, then you should understand why such naming policy does not like people doing so in a public game where you never know if you are interacting with the kind of people your name or behavior is mocking/insulting.

 

If yes, seek counseling.

Again. Its the name of a guild. I haven't said anything about what he struts around doing in his free time in the game or out.

That being said, I don't treat anyone any differently than I would want from myself. Do you think that calling someone special to their face is any better than cracking a joke about it? Its the name of a guild, not a full frontal assault on people with disabilities. Ever once think that these people want to be treated normally? I doubt you would appreciate it if someone went up to you and threw the fact that you are "special" in your face constantly and treated them differently because of it. Same thing goes for people who have lost a loved one. Do you go around and throw it in their face and treat them like they are any worse off than anyone else because of it or do you help them move on by treating them the same you did before it?

If he went into a pool and started swimming around, pointing at the person and going "look what I can do, look what I can do", sure thats too far. But at the same time, hey let's act like these people are freaks of nature that deserve any more attention and treatment than anyone else purely because of their disability, that will solve the problem right?

Honestly, put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself: Is it better to be the same as everyone or treated different? Then come back to me with an answer. If you answer the same, then congrats, you can be made fun of like the rest of us. If you answer different, then you clearly don't understand what it means to be different and get treated thus.

  User Deleted
9/10/12 8:41:42 PM#42
Originally posted by kevjards
you know..i have a debilitating illness but i find it arrogant or sometimes find it  embarrassing for people because they dont know how to act around me..personally i love people takin the piss..there are too many people afraid to speak or joke because they think i,m gonna burst into tears..i'd rather they just say what they want to say..sometimes  when they do i'm in hysterics.but offensive names hurt everyone and perhaps the OP should consider that..saying that though i do like the guild name..so sue me if you want to.

Thank you, perfect example of my point.

  therez0

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9/10/12 8:47:29 PM#43

Paraplegic Swim Team [SINK] is a legacy GW1 guild; if A.net had any problem with that guild name, they would have done something about it when the guild was consistently in the top 20 for the monthly AT's a year or more ago.

  StanlyStanko

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9/10/12 8:52:27 PM#44
The Bob joke is ancient, but still gets panties in a bunch. GJ!
  Deivos

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Iarð skal rifna, ok upphiminn.

9/10/12 8:52:56 PM#45
Originally posted by eggy08

Again. Its the name of a guild. I haven't said anything about what he struts around doing in his free time in the game or out.

That being said, I don't treat anyone any differently than I would want from myself. Do you think that calling someone special to their face is any better than cracking a joke about it? Its the name of a guild, not a full frontal assault on people with disabilities. Ever once think that these people want to be treated normally? I doubt you would appreciate it if someone went up to you and threw the fact that you are "special" in your face constantly and treated them differently because of it. Same thing goes for people who have lost a loved one. Do you go around and throw it in their face and treat them like they are any worse off than anyone else because of it or do you help them move on by treating them the same you did before it?

If he went into a pool and started swimming around, pointing at the person and going "look what I can do, look what I can do", sure thats too far. But at the same time, hey let's act like these people are freaks of nature that deserve any more attention and treatment than anyone else purely because of their disability, that will solve the problem right?

Honestly, put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself: Is it better to be the same as everyone or treated different? Then come back to me with an answer. If you answer the same, then congrats, you can be made fun of like the rest of us. If you answer different, then you clearly don't understand what it means to be different and get treated thus.

I think both responses are dismissive and used as means to not really consider what one is being presented with.

 

Fact is if you are using their name, be it 'positive' or 'negative', you are planting a focus on them one way or another. If you really want what you claim, for them to not be treated differently, then don't treat them differently. Don't call them out one way or another for their problems, faults or otherwise. Their guild name points them out same as a player name would. It's the same policy in both cases. 

 

Perhaps just talk to them about it, inquire about their issues or differences. That's the only means where you can address an issue in a manner that actually fits to what your diatribe actually claims an end-goal to.

 

Everything else is justification.

 

EDIT: in a sense it falls back to this comment by another.

 

"I really hope that this is sarcastic - and even then it's in bad taste."

As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero. - Vaarsuvius

  User Deleted
9/10/12 9:03:43 PM#46
Originally posted by Deivos
Originally posted by eggy08

Again. Its the name of a guild. I haven't said anything about what he struts around doing in his free time in the game or out.

That being said, I don't treat anyone any differently than I would want from myself. Do you think that calling someone special to their face is any better than cracking a joke about it? Its the name of a guild, not a full frontal assault on people with disabilities. Ever once think that these people want to be treated normally? I doubt you would appreciate it if someone went up to you and threw the fact that you are "special" in your face constantly and treated them differently because of it. Same thing goes for people who have lost a loved one. Do you go around and throw it in their face and treat them like they are any worse off than anyone else because of it or do you help them move on by treating them the same you did before it?

If he went into a pool and started swimming around, pointing at the person and going "look what I can do, look what I can do", sure thats too far. But at the same time, hey let's act like these people are freaks of nature that deserve any more attention and treatment than anyone else purely because of their disability, that will solve the problem right?

Honestly, put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself: Is it better to be the same as everyone or treated different? Then come back to me with an answer. If you answer the same, then congrats, you can be made fun of like the rest of us. If you answer different, then you clearly don't understand what it means to be different and get treated thus.

I think both responses are dismissive and used as means to not really consider what one is being presented with.

 

Fact is if you are using their name, be it 'positive' or 'negative', you are planting a focus on them one way or another. If you really want what you claim, for them to not be treated differently, then don't treat them differently. Don't call them out one way or another for their problems, faults or otherwise. Their guild name points them out same as a player name would. It's the same policy in both cases. 

 

Perhaps just talk to them about it, inquire about their issues or differences. That's the only means where you can address an issue in a manner that actually fits to what your diatribe actually claims an end-goal to.

 

Everything else is justification. 

Goes back to the guy with disabilities that noone know how to act around them. I'm sure you make fun of people constantly on a daily basis of their flaws. What you are proposing is that we live in a perfect world where noone ever makes fun of anyone ever since any "disability", whether it be from physical or mental (which I might add, includes anything imaginable from someone who you claim to be normal being bad at that activity), should never be mad fun of for such disability.

Fine, I'd like to see you go the rest of your life never rediculing a guy for being stupid for missing a question on something or for doing something not very bright. That you can never make fun of someone for being bad at a sport that he isn't particularly good at. That you treat everyone exactly the same regardless of race, disability or other for all of time. Then you can come at me and tell me that your world can exist. Until then, don't act like having a disability makes someone special, because then everyone in the world is special for one reason or another and thus everyone is the same and should be treated as thus.

You can't answer my question truthfully, because you know the answer. Don't act like your a saint for what you do. Your no better than anyone else and could be considered worse in the right light.

  baphamet

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9/10/12 9:13:50 PM#47

"china-man" is a racist term, its the equivalent of calling a black guy the "N" word.

no Chinese person calls another Chinese person a china-man. it doesn't surprise me at all it got reported and removed.

/thread

  Jaedor

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 1012

9/10/12 9:14:42 PM#48


Originally posted by Johnie-Marz
I wonder if the name was offensive because of, No Pants or Chinaman?

LOTRO has a raid that requires certain fellowship maneuvers in order to complete a challenge mode. One of them is called "A Chink in Their Armor" and the name of it doesn't pass through LOTRO's own name filters. When it shows up in the chat window it's A &^$@! in Their Armor.

I'm guessing it was Chinaman. And no, it's not unique to GW2.

  User Deleted
9/10/12 9:58:16 PM#49
Originally posted by ShakyMo
While op and his pals are obviously immature idiots.

I don't get why giant communist robots was banned.

I know, right.

 

But think about this: Blizzard is based in Irvine, California. If you know anything about California demographics, you would know that commies are no joking matter in Orange County, CA.

 

EDIT: Religion & Politics -- to be avoided.  Also, aside from races like elves, orcs, etc., no humie racism allowed.  "Chinaman" is racist.

 

 

  Meowhead

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9/10/12 10:13:06 PM#50

I'm confused by people who aren't aware that Chinaman is generally used as a fairly racist, derogatory term. :I

  tabindex

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Joined: 4/28/12
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9/10/12 10:22:45 PM#51
They should have just given you a lifetime ban from GW2 and GW3 with a stupid name like that.
  KingJiggly

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Joined: 8/03/11
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Definition for innovation is below. Your welcome.

9/10/12 10:24:32 PM#52
Do you not understand this is a joke.... >.<

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation

  reef22

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Joined: 10/21/08
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9/10/12 10:32:01 PM#53

Technically...

Calling any Asian person  "Chinaman" is the same as calling any African American the "N" word...

If the OP is an Asian then it MIGHT be ok.  Although I seriously doubt that he's an Asian to begin with.  Besides any self-respectful Asian person wouldn't call himself "Chinaman".

  trash656

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9/10/12 10:44:10 PM#54
Originally posted by Rylandojones

For around 4 years my main character name in Guild Wars 1 was No Pants Chinaman. Today I was forced to change my Guild Wars 2 character name because No Pants Chinaman is "unacceptable".

Honestly, ArenaNet? Seriously in this game it's either have a RP name or you can go screw off. So far I'm really enjoying the gameplay. But, whether or not its true, I've heard of someone getting a lockout for saying "poop" in map chat. Seriously? I can't crack a mildly unorthodox joke in /m without being labeled as a "troll".

My Guild, The Paraplegic Swimteam has banded together for this sole reason. We're just a bunch of dudes who want to be able to communicate with other people in game without getting a spanking for expressing ourselves.

I hope there are people out there playing this game who feel the same way I do. That anet has gone a little overboard with these lockouts and bans.

Paraplegic Swimteam is offensive to me. I have a Paraplegic Cousin who is handicapped. If i ever saw you say that in front of me I would have the urge to knock your block off :)
 
Anet is not to blame, You are, Chinaman is a term used to define a person of chinese descent. Depending on the situation of where the word is used, it can be offensive to a man of Chinese Origin espeacially if hes not Chinese but of Asian descent.

Might not seem racist to you but it is. You should be mature enough to be mindful with those kinds of things in Online Games, and who you are offending. That's like me making a joke about a black person and water melons then assuming it's not putting down someone else because it's not offensive to you, but could be to someone else. Chinaman is offensive to me because my Wife is chinese, and I'm a white Canadian.
  thunderC

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9/10/12 10:50:15 PM#55
These uptight dorks running the show at A-net need to get laid. 
  Kilrane

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9/10/12 10:51:35 PM#56
Originally posted by Rylandojones

For around 4 years my main character name in Guild Wars 1 was No Pants Chinaman. Today I was forced to change my Guild Wars 2 character name because No Pants Chinaman is "unacceptable".

Honestly, ArenaNet? Seriously in this game it's either have a RP name or you can go screw off. So far I'm really enjoying the gameplay. But, whether or not its true, I've heard of someone getting a lockout for saying "poop" in map chat. Seriously? I can't crack a mildly unorthodox joke in /m without being labeled as a "troll".

My Guild, The Paraplegic Swimteam has banded together for this sole reason. We're just a bunch of dudes who want to be able to communicate with other people in game without getting a spanking for expressing ourselves.

I hope there are people out there playing this game who feel the same way I do. That anet has gone a little overboard with these lockouts and bans.

More like Arena Net is doing exactly what they should be doing, moderating their game.  This is just another reason for me to go grab GW2 when it becomes available again.

  User Deleted
9/10/12 10:58:42 PM#57
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by Rylandojones

For around 4 years my main character name in Guild Wars 1 was No Pants Chinaman. Today I was forced to change my Guild Wars 2 character name because No Pants Chinaman is "unacceptable".

Honestly, ArenaNet? Seriously in this game it's either have a RP name or you can go screw off. So far I'm really enjoying the gameplay. But, whether or not its true, I've heard of someone getting a lockout for saying "poop" in map chat. Seriously? I can't crack a mildly unorthodox joke in /m without being labeled as a "troll".

My Guild, The Paraplegic Swimteam has banded together for this sole reason. We're just a bunch of dudes who want to be able to communicate with other people in game without getting a spanking for expressing ourselves.

I hope there are people out there playing this game who feel the same way I do. That anet has gone a little overboard with these lockouts and bans.

Paraplegic Swimteam is offensive to me. I have a Paraplegic Cousin who is handicapped. If i ever saw you say that in front of me I would put you to the ground without even a second thought.
 
Anet is not to blame, You are, Chinaman is a term used to define a person of chinese descent. Depending on the situation of where the word is used, it can be offensive to a man of Chinese Origin espeacially if hes not Chinese but of Asian descent.

Might not seem racist to you but it is. You should be mature enough to be mindful with those kinds of things in Online Games, and who you are offending. That's like me making a joke about a black person and water melons then assuming it's not putting down someone else because it's not offensive to you, but could be to someone else.

As is every joke, period. You honestly don't understand the word if you think that noone would be offended from any joke ever made. So does that mean that we can't make a joke anymore since it offends at least one person or are there special exceptions to that? If there are, what are these exceptions? Because I'm sure I can apply them to any joke ever made, including the ones in bad taste, such as either one he mentioned.

Everyone is a little bit racist. I'm pretty sure what I highlighted isn't the politically correct term and would get you shot in the wrong area. Ya, I said shot, because its a joke, and I'm sure one person will take offense to it.

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9/10/12 11:11:48 PM#58
Some of you uptight humorless tools need to go back to your charm school and let the normal people enjoy the internet.
  trash656

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9/10/12 11:50:38 PM#59
Originally posted by eggy08
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by Rylandojones

For around 4 years my main character name in Guild Wars 1 was No Pants Chinaman. Today I was forced to change my Guild Wars 2 character name because No Pants Chinaman is "unacceptable".

Honestly, ArenaNet? Seriously in this game it's either have a RP name or you can go screw off. So far I'm really enjoying the gameplay. But, whether or not its true, I've heard of someone getting a lockout for saying "poop" in map chat. Seriously? I can't crack a mildly unorthodox joke in /m without being labeled as a "troll".

My Guild, The Paraplegic Swimteam has banded together for this sole reason. We're just a bunch of dudes who want to be able to communicate with other people in game without getting a spanking for expressing ourselves.

I hope there are people out there playing this game who feel the same way I do. That anet has gone a little overboard with these lockouts and bans.

Paraplegic Swimteam is offensive to me. I have a Paraplegic Cousin who is handicapped. If i ever saw you say that in front of me I would put you to the ground without even a second thought.
 
Anet is not to blame, You are, Chinaman is a term used to define a person of chinese descent. Depending on the situation of where the word is used, it can be offensive to a man of Chinese Origin espeacially if hes not Chinese but of Asian descent.

Might not seem racist to you but it is. You should be mature enough to be mindful with those kinds of things in Online Games, and who you are offending. That's like me making a joke about a black person and water melons then assuming it's not putting down someone else because it's not offensive to you, but could be to someone else.

As is every joke, period. You honestly don't understand the word if you think that noone would be offended from any joke ever made. So does that mean that we can't make a joke anymore since it offends at least one person or are there special exceptions to that? If there are, what are these exceptions? Because I'm sure I can apply them to any joke ever made, including the ones in bad taste, such as either one he mentioned.

Everyone is a little bit racist. I'm pretty sure what I highlighted isn't the politically correct term and would get you shot in the wrong area. Ya, I said shot, because its a joke, and I'm sure one person will take offense to it.

No not everyone is racist, I'm certaintly not, my wife is Chinese and I don't go to her perants and jokingly call her dad a chinaman? He would karatechop me into the next life. My Cousin is also Handicapped and you think its funny to make fun of Paraplegic people in a video games? What kind of iignorant moron are you? Yes I realize it was done for shits a giggles (Because most 18 year olds do stupid things) but just because it was done as a joke doesn't mean we should all be going around jokingly making names up that can offend other people. You need to seriously educate yourself on history and world war 2 how the Jews became second class citizens, people would make jokes about the jews how big their noses were because they thought it was funny, thats how racism starts.

  Terranah

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9/10/12 11:51:40 PM#60
Originally posted by reef22

Technically...

Calling any Asian person  "Chinaman" is the same as calling any African American the "N" word...

If the OP is an Asian then it MIGHT be ok.  Although I seriously doubt that he's an Asian to begin with.  Besides any self-respectful Asian person wouldn't call himself "Chinaman".

 

It's probably a lot safer to call an asian a chinaman then a black  the 'N' word though.   This is just a theory though, someone should test it out to make sure. 

 

 

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