What the hell are you noobs bitching about? You wanna know the first encounter I ever had with a flying ship in a fantasy environment? It was 1975 and we were playing a D&D campaign.... You people seriously need to get over yourselves for a minute and look a little deeper into the history of these things, before you go spouting off like your some kinda game-guru.

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by Xzen
I'm just wondering what mmorpg the OP thinks did the airship vs dragon fight first.

 

My thought's exactly - i'd love to hear which one the OP thinks is the 'original'.

Since I honestly don't know, what's the original?

 

The point of my post, and the quoted word 'original' is that it would be nigh-impossible to establish what was the original.

 

It is a very broad relationship that the OP has implicitly drawn. S/he is stating that the concept of a being on a flying boat and fighting airborn enemies, in this case dragons, is taken from other games. The OP implies this has come from either one or many other MMO's (we can't be sure without clarification from the OP, as the wording could go either way).

 

The reason for the impossibility of defining a point of origin is the broad topic. We could potentially pinpoint the flying ship to the Flying Dutchmen myth, which would give us an origin of late 18th century. But, we would really just be guessing.

Well he did specify MMO in the post, so we can safely rule out all of the other sources for this type of encounter, and focus on just that genre. In which case, the only other game I've played where I've seen that is WoW. So he could be referencing that encounter, which is fairly recent. If there was another Airship vs Dragon encounter in another MMO, I'm not aware of it.

I guess by your post I thought you knew of an MMO before WoW that had done this.

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by Xzen
I'm just wondering what mmorpg the OP thinks did the airship vs dragon fight first.

 

My thought's exactly - i'd love to hear which one the OP thinks is the 'original'.

Since I honestly don't know, what's the original?

 

The point of my post, and the quoted word 'original' is that it would be nigh-impossible to establish what was the original.

 

It is a very broad relationship that the OP has implicitly drawn. S/he is stating that the concept of a being on a flying boat and fighting airborn enemies, in this case dragons, is taken from other games. The OP implies this has come from either one or many other MMO's (we can't be sure without clarification from the OP, as the wording could go either way).

 

The reason for the impossibility of defining a point of origin is the broad topic. We could potentially pinpoint the flying ship to the Flying Dutchmen myth, which would give us an origin of late 18th century. But, we would really just be guessing.

Well he did specify MMO in the post, so we can safely rule out all of the other sources for this type of encounter, and focus on just that genre. In which case, the only other game I've played where I've seen that is WoW. So he could be referencing that encounter, which is fairly recent. If there was another Airship vs Dragon encounter in another MMO, I'm not aware of it.

I guess by your post I thought you knew of an MMO before WoW that had done this.

FFXI did it before WoW.

I think the OP is refering to the final fight with Zhaitan and the simiarities with Deathwing, mainly in the sense that both battles are quite poor. Atleast i think so.

After all, air ships, undead, dragons, etc are quite in fantasy rpgs.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by fischsemmel

A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

You mean some jerk stole the "Bad Ash" concept from Army of Darkness?  Or the Witch Kings from LotR?  Or Davey Jones from PotC 2 and 3? 

Let me at those heathens!

I think Conan fought those in the 30s already so it is not a new concept in fantasy no.

Flying ships against dragons is not a new concept either, seen it in Dragonlance from the late 70s-early 80s and I doubt they were first.

Original fantasy is something rather rare.

Originally posted by Eir_S
Hey OP.  Other fantasy games did it before WoW... but I assume you're not "leaving now".  We always knew which side your bread was buttered on anyway, I don't expect your own hypocrisy to open your eyes.  Have fun going back to the melting pot of all generic fantasy cliches.

My bread will always be WoW buttered but it's good and healthy to try other foods from time to time, right now I have not had my fill of GW2, only lvl 54 with 70+ hours played.

Originally posted by expresso
To clear thing up yes I was refering to the WoW fight just before deathwing spine raid encounter.  I can slso see how this post might have across as a bit of troll, wasn't meant that way but an obvervation that I know had the tables be turned people would be up in arms on these forums.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJle_eEfTPQ&feature=related though the GW2 one looks more epic.

And both stole the idea from R.I.F.T.S which in turn stole it from older games and books...

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by Eir_S
Hey OP.  Other fantasy games did it before WoW... but I assume you're not "leaving now".  We always knew which side your bread was buttered on anyway, I don't expect your own hypocrisy to open your eyes.  Have fun going back to the melting pot of all generic fantasy cliches.

My bread will always be WoW buttered but it's good and healthy to try other foods from time to time, right now I have not had my fill of GW2, only lvl 54 with 70+ hours played.

It's good to have an open mind.  I don't hate WoW, but it's true that a lot of its ideas have been done before.  I guess that's why I didn't see the sense of the topic at first.  Even when I was playing it, I knew where it drew inspiration (or just plain copied) from.  GW2 shouldn't get any more or less of a "pass".

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

 

The game is in English!  It's so unoriginal!   They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...

 P'tach Wars 2

I hope that was Klingon. I laughed as if it were Klingon.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by MosesZD

The game is in English!  It's so unoriginal!   They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...

 P'tach Wars 2

I hope that was Klingon. I laughed as if it were Klingon.

They did actually invent several languages for the game, but all written languages. There are signs and writing, and they havnt released any translation. It took a long time before anyone figured out the one from GW1 and here there are several.

So if you are bored and like working with a weird alphabet the challange is on.

Originally posted by Xzen
Even though I am a fan of Warhammer table top I never hated on Warcraft for how much they used from it and actually enjoyed it all the same.

Im a Warhammer fan too, but they have borrowed a lot as well from others. There is not much new in fantasy (and yes, red is faster, that Warhammer invented).

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

 

The game is in English!  It's so unoriginal!   They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...

 P'tach Wars 2

I hope that was Klingon. I laughed as if it were Klingon.

 LOL yep, it's the only Klingon word I know.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Robsolf

You mean some jerk stole the "Bad Ash" concept from Army of Darkness?  Or the Witch Kings from LotR?  Or Davey Jones from PotC 2 and 3? 

Let me at those heathens!

 

I immediately thought of Army of Darkness too lol.

For those, like fisch, who dont seem to have gotten it. I was being sarcastic. Common themes like this have been used since pretty much forever. I could likely go back and find books from decades or centuries ago, as well as movies recent and old, that have the same exact thing going on as in any portion of an MMO, just with different names or a couple minor details different.

Its a fantasy mixed with a little bit of steampunk thrown in MMO where the main enemy is a dragon. I mean come on... its in the freaking logo! Are you really surprised to see, in a game where airships exist and fit into the setting, an airship fight vs a dragon?

This is pretty much the equivalent of how the OP read to me:  "They're going to fight the giant squid in a big pirate ship.  How original... I'm leaving..."

Dragons are huge and they fly.  An airship is the most fitting nature vs. machine theme you can really come up with for a dragon.

As undead go, it's basically taking tragedy up a notch.  Dying due to something involving a loved one, or through the betrayal of a friend, and coming back for vengeance or to right that wrong; well... that concept obviously didn't start with Patrick Swayze.    Hell... Anakin Skywalker could almost fit that theme, let alone a few greek demigods...

As far as the argument that another MMO "did that already"... MMO's aren't really a genre unto themselves, they're a medium for which to place a genre.  2 games being MMO's that have these events/themes in their stories is really irrelevent. 

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

 What I took away from this was what the videos narrator said himself.

 the End boss fight was "Easy, antyone at all could do it".

That the fight and most others required no stratagy at all.

The end boss fight could be done withh his equiepement destroyed and allies stuck in geometery unable to fight at all.

That he didn't have to worry about dodging AOE's because he would get knocked down and just get back up later, That there was "nothing to worry about".

  Well score one for the super causal/Zerg to win crowd.

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

 What I took away from this was what the videos narrator said himself.

 the End boss fight was "Easy, antyone at all could do it".

That the fight and most others required no stratagy at all.

The end boss fight could be done withh his equiepement destroyed and allies stuck in geometery unable to fight at all.

That he didn't have to worry about dodging AOE's because he would get knocked down and just get back up later, That there was "nothing to worry about".

  Well score one for the super causal/Zerg to win crowd.

Story mode is easy mode. Try it on explore mode. It's not easy at all.

I just can't take posts about a company ripping off something in WOW seriously . As asinine as it might sound they deserve it after how blatantly they ripped off Warhammer/WH:40K. I'm not even a Warhammer fan and it still disgusts me to this day. :)