Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

A fantasy game with a flying ship fighting dragons has been used for a long time, and will continue to be used.

By your logic - you should have left the game when you found out it had swords.

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

 

A fantasy game with a flying ship fighting dragons has been used for a long time, and will continue to be used.

 

By your logic - you should have left the game when you found out it had swords.

Or when it had any of the other weapons used (dont feel like making the list)

Or armor.

Or magic.

Or pets.

Or stuff to kill

Or crafting

Or dungeons

Or PvP

Its funny how these things work.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

 Or when it had any of the other weapons used (dont feel like making the list)

Or armor.

Or magic.

Or pets.

Or stuff to kill

Or crafting

Or dungeons

Or PvP

Its funny how these things work.

Don't be dense. General things like this are inherent parts of a fantasy MMORPG. There's a difference between including these things in a new game and including specific fight sequences in that game that are extremely reminiscent of specific fight sequences in other games.

A new game with orcs and humans in it? That's obviously fine.

A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

A new game with magic in it? That's obviously fine.

A new game with magic that is only accessible by someone who equips radioactive pieces of rock in their weapons or armor? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

I can't help but quote this bit from that video.

It's about the dwarves in GW2... 

*****spoiler*****

- So they're stuck in a sort of basement and never ever reproduce...

- That's right.

- And they spend all day fighting internet dragons?

- That's right. 

- OK.

*****spoiler*****

Good one there, brilliant catch! :)

Originally posted by fischsemmel

Originally posted by kaiser3282

 Or when it had any of the other weapons used (dont feel like making the list)

Or armor.

Or magic.

Or pets.

Or stuff to kill

Or crafting

Or dungeons

Or PvP

Its funny how these things work.

 

A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

You mean some jerk stole the "Bad Ash" concept from Army of Darkness?  Or the Witch Kings from LotR?  Or Davey Jones from PotC 2 and 3? 

Let me at those heathens!

This is straight ripped out of Final Fantasy 4

I swear.

All they did is change the flying demons to flying dragon.

What a cheap ripoff.

OP is right and spot on, cept FF4 was not an MMO. But well since nowadays everything is an MMO that happens.

Originally posted by Xzen
I'm just wondering what mmorpg the OP thinks did the airship vs dragon fight first.

My thought's exactly - i'd love to hear which one the OP thinks is the 'original'.

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by Xzen
I'm just wondering what mmorpg the OP thinks did the airship vs dragon fight first.

 

My thought's exactly - i'd love to hear which one the OP thinks is the 'original'.

Since I honestly don't know, what's the original?

Originally posted by Adiaris
Ah goodie here it is. I was almost worried for a second. Thanks for making the "inane GW2 hate topic" of the day! 

It's comments like this make me wish I had a 'thunb's up" button.

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

The game is in English!  It's so unoriginal!   They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by expresso
So I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmua96QycDM video (spoliers), now where have I seen that before in an MMO?  I am leaving now.

 

The game is in English!  It's so unoriginal!   They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...

 P'tach Wars 2

That battle was very pretty and very unsatisfying, imo. 

meh. 

Originally posted by fischsemmel

A new game with orcs and humans in it? That's obviously fine.

A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

GW1 did exactly that in Spring 2005 with their first game -- 3 years before WOW LK

 in GW Prophecies, the main antagonist was the Undead Lich commander and his undead armies

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Undead_Lich

The Undead Lich is a powerful undead lord who commands the Orrian undead armies attacking Kryta and seeks to fulfill the Flameseeker Prophecies by obtaining the Scepter of Orr to gain the control of the Titan army and take over Tyria. In order to complete this goal of becoming the Flameseeker, he manipulates various key figures, including the players.

The Undead Lich's true identity is Vizier Khilbron, the vizier of the last king of Orr and orchestrator of the Cataclysm, destroying the City of the Gods while it was being invaded by the Charr.

undead legions is just as stereotype as anything else ..

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by voxnor

Originally posted by Xzen
I'm just wondering what mmorpg the OP thinks did the airship vs dragon fight first.

 

My thought's exactly - i'd love to hear which one the OP thinks is the 'original'.

Since I honestly don't know, what's the original?

The point of my post, and the quoted word 'original' is that it would be nigh-impossible to establish what was the original.

It is a very broad relationship that the OP has implicitly drawn. S/he is stating that the concept of a being on a flying boat and fighting airborn enemies, in this case dragons, is taken from other games. The OP implies this has come from either one or many other MMO's (we can't be sure without clarification from the OP, as the wording could go either way).

The reason for the impossibility of defining a point of origin is the broad topic. We could potentially pinpoint the flying ship to the Flying Dutchmen myth, which would give us an origin of late 18th century. But, we would really just be guessing.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by fischsemmel

A new game with orcs and humans in it? That's obviously fine.

A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

GW1 did exactly that in Spring 2005 with their first game -- 3 years before WOW LK

 in GW Prophecies, the main antagonist was the Undead Lich commander and his undead armies

 

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Undead_Lich

The Undead Lich is a powerful undead lord who commands the Orrian undead armies attacking Kryta and seeks to fulfill the Flameseeker Prophecies by obtaining the Scepter of Orr to gain the control of the Titan army and take over Tyria. In order to complete this goal of becoming the Flameseeker, he manipulates various key figures, including the players.

The Undead Lich's true identity is Vizier Khilbron, the vizier of the last king of Orr and orchestrator of the Cataclysm, destroying the City of the Gods while it was being invaded by the Charr.

 

unlead legions is just as stereotype as anything else ..

 To be fair, Warcraft 3 introduced Arthas as the tragic hero leader of the undead army ;).

But still...it's not a new concept.  I'm sure that if you look hard enough, you will find that the Simpsons did it way before any of these games lol.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by fischsemmel

Originally posted by kaiser3282

 Or when it had any of the other weapons used (dont feel like making the list)

Or armor.

Or magic.

Or pets.

Or stuff to kill

Or crafting

Or dungeons

Or PvP

Its funny how these things work.

 

A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.

You mean some jerk stole the "Bad Ash" concept from Army of Darkness?  Or the Witch Kings from LotR?  Or Davey Jones from PotC 2 and 3? 

Let me at those heathens!

 

I immediately thought of Army of Darkness too lol.

For those, like fisch, who dont seem to have gotten it. I was being sarcastic. Common themes like this have been used since pretty much forever. I could likely go back and find books from decades or centuries ago, as well as movies recent and old, that have the same exact thing going on as in any portion of an MMO, just with different names or a couple minor details different.

Its a fantasy mixed with a little bit of steampunk thrown in MMO where the main enemy is a dragon. I mean come on... its in the freaking logo! Are you really surprised to see, in a game where airships exist and fit into the setting, an airship fight vs a dragon?