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  Z3R01

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Posts: 2456

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9/10/12 8:02:05 AM#41
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

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  Thane

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Joined: 8/14/03
Posts: 1765

I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.

9/10/12 8:05:36 AM#42
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

 

as said above, 7k and 12k auraxium are surely no months farm

"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  Z3R01

Novice Member

Joined: 9/09/08
Posts: 2456

MMO gamer since 1997

9/10/12 8:08:46 AM#43
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

 

as said above, 7k and 12k auraxium are surely no months farm

Even if they were it wouldnt matter. A game is not pay2win if you can also unlock cash shop items through gameplay even if its a grind. Look at tribes, its much more of a grind. Pay 5 bucks to unlock a gun or farm for 30 hours for a gun... your choice.

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  Thane

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Joined: 8/14/03
Posts: 1765

I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.

9/10/12 8:12:17 AM#44
some people just wanna see the world troll ^^ they dont need arguments or prove. they just throw out random arguments and claim they are fact :)

"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  thinktank001

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Joined: 12/13/08
Posts: 1776

9/10/12 8:35:06 AM#45
Originally posted by Z3R01

Even if they were it wouldnt matter. A game is not pay2win if you can also unlock cash shop items through gameplay even if its a grind. Look at tribes, its much more of a grind. Pay 5 bucks to unlock a gun or farm for 30 hours for a gun... your choice.

 

Pay2Win is a business model and what you think is irrelevant.    Free2Play isn't a scam, but a half truth and an advertising term used to get players to play games with cash shops. 

 

If it is has a cash shop, then the game is P2W.   Players can pay for an advantage.   It doesn't matter if it is short/long term.   The advanatage is there.

  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

9/10/12 8:41:53 AM#46
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

What you just said is the VERY DEFINITION of what we've been fighting companies from doing for years. Pay-To-Win, skipping the "grind" with REAL world money.

I'd rather pay a flat rate of $15/month, with ZERO cash shop, and everyone be on level terms. If the product is worth the money it'll be highly successful. If not, it will fail like it should in an "Open Market".

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

9/10/12 8:43:49 AM#47
Originally posted by Thane
some people just wanna see the world troll ^^ they dont need arguments or prove. they just throw out random arguments and claim they are fact :)

Seems to be what you're doing right now for sure.

 

You forget that Auraxis point gains are boosted for BETA, and yes it will take roughly 2+ months to unlock said weapons. Or, you can go the PayToWin route, spend $50-100, and get everything now thereby gaining an advantage.

 

When did you allow developers to brainwash you?

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  kaiser3282

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 2599

9/10/12 8:49:28 AM#48
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

What you just said is the VERY DEFINITION of what we've been fighting companies from doing for years. Pay-To-Win, skipping the "grind" with REAL world money.

I'd rather pay a flat rate of $15/month, with ZERO cash shop, and everyone be on level terms. If the product is worth the money it'll be highly successful. If not, it will fail like it should in an "Open Market".

Problem is, everyone isnt equal in P2P either. It comes down to who has the most time to spend grinding away while ignoring the rest of life. Youll spend 8+ hours a day grinding in a game, others will spend 8+ hours a day "grinding" at real job, taking care of their family, etc. Should they be unable to enjoy the same things as you just because you have nothing else to do?

Its always kind of funny to me to see these types of things. I would think that someone who invested so much time in a game tha they earned stuff through the grind wouldnt care if others have the same stuff as them, in fact I would think you would enjoy it and laugh at them when you kick the crap out of them because you have become a better player with all that time playing. But maybe thats just it. Maybe you cant compete with people in equal gear who barely play a game, even though youve invested hundreds of hours getting "good" at the game, and so you would rather have that illusion there that better gear because of time spent playing actually = better player.

  Pyuk

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Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 655

9/10/12 8:58:38 AM#49
So what, you think game companies should be a charity service or something? Of course they're money generators - how do you think the people who make the game will get paid? Folks don't work 12 hours a day building a game out of the kindness of their hearts and the hope that someone like you will like them. They have a job and expecct to get paid via this "business revenue generator." In fact, that's how most service oriented companies make money - by charging money! What a concept!

I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.

  Robsolf

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9/10/12 9:01:30 AM#50
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Matticus75

Free to play is nothing more than a business revenue generator......

...just like any other product or service created by any business.

Indeed.  Ya hardly need to be a hardcore conservative to accept that people design their products with the intention to make money.

Just like P2P, there are good F2P games and bad ones.  Bad ones make you buy things you need, while good ones compel you to buy things you want.

Either way, the game needs your money.

  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

9/10/12 9:01:41 AM#51
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

What you just said is the VERY DEFINITION of what we've been fighting companies from doing for years. Pay-To-Win, skipping the "grind" with REAL world money.

I'd rather pay a flat rate of $15/month, with ZERO cash shop, and everyone be on level terms. If the product is worth the money it'll be highly successful. If not, it will fail like it should in an "Open Market".

Problem is, everyone isnt equal in P2P either. It comes down to who has the most time to spend grinding away while ignoring the rest of life. Youll spend 8+ hours a day grinding in a game, others will spend 8+ hours a day "grinding" at real job, taking care of their family, etc. Should they be unable to enjoy the same things as you just because you have nothing else to do?

Its always kind of funny to me to see these types of things. I would think that someone who invested so much time in a game tha they earned stuff through the grind wouldnt care if others have the same stuff as them, in fact I would think you would enjoy it and laugh at them when you kick the crap out of them because you have become a better player with all that time playing. But maybe thats just it. Maybe you cant compete with people in equal gear who barely play a game, even though youve invested hundreds of hours getting "good" at the game, and so you would rather have that illusion there that better gear because of time spent playing actually = better player.

I work 8hrs a day, 5 days a week, for a total of 40hrs a week. I also can play for roughly 5hrs a day if I choose to. Another person's ability to spend time on something is an illogical statement. This will always be true no matter how you approach the matter. The fact that the same person doing 8hrs/day of gaming has to deal with the same stuff I do rather than spending $50 i'm not willing to spend each month on a VIDEO GAME means we're on level terms.

Your argument, albeit straightforward, is flawed in every regard. It has nothing to do with people having the same gear as you with less time invested. It has to do with that they're not EARNING what you earned through legitimate means, and that they're essentially cheating by using a credit card at a VIDEO GAME for virtual achievements.

It is pathetic, and completely unacceptable. You will NEVER convince someone against Pay-To-Win that it is EVER an acceptable norm.

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  Fadedbomb

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9/10/12 9:03:52 AM#52
Originally posted by Robsolf
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Matticus75

Free to play is nothing more than a business revenue generator......

...just like any other product or service created by any business.

Indeed.  Ya hardly need to be a hardcore conservative to accept that people design their products with the intention to make money.

Just like P2P, there are good F2P games and bad ones.  Bad ones make you buy things you need, while good ones compel you to buy things you want.

Either way, the game needs your money.

Name ONE product made from the ground up that is "good" that was built for F2P. Please, name just one!

 

They're all horribly low quality, and there is a reason they are not sub-based.

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  Nikkita

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9/10/12 9:07:04 AM#53
I diagree about F2P being low quality. if anything EQ2 has increased in quality and i fully support that game and will continue to do so till the servers shut down.... so BITE ME!!


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  dave6660

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9/10/12 9:07:40 AM#54
Originally posted by EndDream

Today I learned that if a company is trying to make money of their product (a revenue generator), it's a scam.

See, you learn something new every day :)

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  L0C0Man

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9/10/12 9:11:29 AM#55
Originally posted by Starpower

Free to Play

Not Free to Enjoy

I don't know.. I did enjoy Age of Conan quite a lot for about 3 months after it went F2P without paying anything for it (well, I did pay for it at release, but lasted less than 2 months on it back then when it was P2P)

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  StonesDK

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9/10/12 9:14:47 AM#56
Originally posted by L0C0Man
Originally posted by Starpower

Free to Play

Not Free to Enjoy

I don't know.. I did enjoy Age of Conan quite a lot for about 3 months after it went F2P without paying anything for it (well, I did pay for it at release, but lasted less than 2 months on it back then when it was P2P)

And do you feel that experience carries over to other F2P games?

  Z3R01

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9/10/12 9:25:27 AM#57
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

What you just said is the VERY DEFINITION of what we've been fighting companies from doing for years. Pay-To-Win, skipping the "grind" with REAL world money.

I'd rather pay a flat rate of $15/month, with ZERO cash shop, and everyone be on level terms. If the product is worth the money it'll be highly successful. If not, it will fail like it should in an "Open Market".

Putting an overpowered item in a shop that you can only access with cash is pay2win. Locking out free players from obtaining power by putting it in a shop only is pay2win... 

Having items in a shop that is also available through normal gameplay IS NOT PAY2WIN!

Show me one item that gives someone a power advantage in PS2 that i can't also obtain through gameplay. 

Your pay2win argument holds no wieght... same as the newbs that say Tribes is Pay2win. If everything that increases player power is obtainable through gameplay a game isnt pay2win... sorry.

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  kaiser3282

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9/10/12 9:27:24 AM#58
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

What you just said is the VERY DEFINITION of what we've been fighting companies from doing for years. Pay-To-Win, skipping the "grind" with REAL world money.

I'd rather pay a flat rate of $15/month, with ZERO cash shop, and everyone be on level terms. If the product is worth the money it'll be highly successful. If not, it will fail like it should in an "Open Market".

Problem is, everyone isnt equal in P2P either. It comes down to who has the most time to spend grinding away while ignoring the rest of life. Youll spend 8+ hours a day grinding in a game, others will spend 8+ hours a day "grinding" at real job, taking care of their family, etc. Should they be unable to enjoy the same things as you just because you have nothing else to do?

Its always kind of funny to me to see these types of things. I would think that someone who invested so much time in a game tha they earned stuff through the grind wouldnt care if others have the same stuff as them, in fact I would think you would enjoy it and laugh at them when you kick the crap out of them because you have become a better player with all that time playing. But maybe thats just it. Maybe you cant compete with people in equal gear who barely play a game, even though youve invested hundreds of hours getting "good" at the game, and so you would rather have that illusion there that better gear because of time spent playing actually = better player.

I work 8hrs a day, 5 days a week, for a total of 40hrs a week. I also can play for roughly 5hrs a day if I choose to. Another person's ability to spend time on something is an illogical statement. This will always be true no matter how you approach the matter. The fact that the same person doing 8hrs/day of gaming has to deal with the same stuff I do rather than spending $50 i'm not willing to spend each month on a VIDEO GAME means we're on level terms.

Your argument, albeit straightforward, is flawed in every regard. It has nothing to do with people having the same gear as you with less time invested. It has to do with that they're not EARNING what you earned through legitimate means, and that they're essentially cheating by using a credit card at a VIDEO GAME for virtual achievements.

It is pathetic, and completely unacceptable. You will NEVER convince someone against Pay-To-Win that it is EVER an acceptable norm.

Funny thing about cheating. Since when do you as an individual player determine the rules of an entire game? The developers decide the rules, not you.

On the subject of "earning" things. Sitting at a keyboard pressing keys a few hours a day vs working hard for the money you spent to buy the stuff... who actually "earned" something?

  risenbones

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9/10/12 9:46:16 AM#59

For me the payment model is really a non factor.  There are good F2P games out there with reasonable in game shops that generally look to trade on the old adage money=time.  There are also alot of bad F2P titles out there.  Same goes for the subscription based games there are a few good ones but there are also alot of bad ones.

 

The reason I like F2P is simple I get to choose how much money I decide to spend over a given period of time so if I'm not going to play much one month I can still play the game but I don't neccarily have to pay for it where as with a subscription it doesn't matter if I play for an hour a day or if a play for 8 hours a day I'm still paying the subscription.  The fact that most subscription games also have a cash shop seems alot like double dipping scammy practice than a straight cash shop at least to me.

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  Fadedbomb

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9/10/12 9:47:53 AM#60
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Thane
Originally posted by Matticus75
Originally posted by nariusseldon

LOL ... F2P is having fun without paying. It is someone else is subsidizing my gaming. I don't see a problem. If it is not fun, don't play it.

If it is fun, and free, why shouldn't i play?

Well throwing dog poop can be fun to some people and its free too.........

But it is still dog poop

 

Some people like to be trashy and that free as well......But they are still trashy

 

whats your point? you wanna say GW2 or planetside 2 are trash? never seen anyone talk so much without actually telling anything.

Remains to be seen, but so far it is looking like a generally high quality themepark. No surprises here as it was never billed as anything other than a themepark.

 

Yes, Planetside 2 is actually quite terrible. It is built around the idea of paying for power, and I've been in beta ever since it started. I can tell you AS FACT that the guns you can buy with real money are actually quite a deal more powerful than the free ones, and the ones you can buy with real money are actually slowly unlocked normal xp gained ones. Meaning i can drop $100 now and buy those 10 guns that will take you 3months of solid gaming to unlock. Utter BS! Higby lied to us, and some are still taking their time to wake up to that fact.

PS2 is a free game! The only way these games money is by letting people cut out the grind by paying for stuff. Who cares if it takes a month to unlock stuff for free... Servers dont stay open with hopes and dreams bro.

What you just said is the VERY DEFINITION of what we've been fighting companies from doing for years. Pay-To-Win, skipping the "grind" with REAL world money.

I'd rather pay a flat rate of $15/month, with ZERO cash shop, and everyone be on level terms. If the product is worth the money it'll be highly successful. If not, it will fail like it should in an "Open Market".

Problem is, everyone isnt equal in P2P either. It comes down to who has the most time to spend grinding away while ignoring the rest of life. Youll spend 8+ hours a day grinding in a game, others will spend 8+ hours a day "grinding" at real job, taking care of their family, etc. Should they be unable to enjoy the same things as you just because you have nothing else to do?

Its always kind of funny to me to see these types of things. I would think that someone who invested so much time in a game tha they earned stuff through the grind wouldnt care if others have the same stuff as them, in fact I would think you would enjoy it and laugh at them when you kick the crap out of them because you have become a better player with all that time playing. But maybe thats just it. Maybe you cant compete with people in equal gear who barely play a game, even though youve invested hundreds of hours getting "good" at the game, and so you would rather have that illusion there that better gear because of time spent playing actually = better player.

I work 8hrs a day, 5 days a week, for a total of 40hrs a week. I also can play for roughly 5hrs a day if I choose to. Another person's ability to spend time on something is an illogical statement. This will always be true no matter how you approach the matter. The fact that the same person doing 8hrs/day of gaming has to deal with the same stuff I do rather than spending $50 i'm not willing to spend each month on a VIDEO GAME means we're on level terms.

Your argument, albeit straightforward, is flawed in every regard. It has nothing to do with people having the same gear as you with less time invested. It has to do with that they're not EARNING what you earned through legitimate means, and that they're essentially cheating by using a credit card at a VIDEO GAME for virtual achievements.

It is pathetic, and completely unacceptable. You will NEVER convince someone against Pay-To-Win that it is EVER an acceptable norm.

Funny thing about cheating. Since when do you as an individual player determine the rules of an entire game? The developers decide the rules, not you.

On the subject of "earning" things. Sitting at a keyboard pressing keys a few hours a day vs working hard for the money you spent to buy the stuff... who actually "earned" something?

Since when do you roll over when a developer claims that buying packages of in-game gold from their cash shop for RL currency is NOT considered cheating simply because they say it isn't?

It is based on perspective, and from the perspective of a gamer who has been playing MMOs & games in general it IS cheating. Saying otherwise is just arguing for the sake of it rather than trying to prove a point.

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