Originally posted by Aerowyn

doesn't even sound like you play this game honestly after how you talk about it... and yes I have been playing MMOs since they started.. not all areas are setup where you can even LOS and in many old school MMOS that didn't matter because projectiles were homing and would hit you anyway if you got targeted before getting behind something.. on top of this in most cases many MMOs you used LOS to get out of the way just long enough for a tank to grab aggro or just to hide from a huge AOE. In this game it's pointless because as soon as you got back in range of ranged mobs would target you again since there is no taunt mechanic.

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

Originally posted by Master10K

Caudecus' Manor is by far the easiest dungeon in the game (well of the ones I've done so far). Any group can finish it in 30mins (the same amount of time it takes for a food buff to run out).

 

Now quite frankly, some bosses are impossible to face tank, even in story mode, like ones that can only be hit at ranged. But just today I did the Sorrow's Embrace and it's impossible to face tank some of the encounters. One imparticular being Kudu and the 3 golems encounter. Today I was in an all squishy group... me (an Elementalist) and 1 other Elementalist, a necromancer (that didn't have much toughness) and 2 Thieves. The 2nd golem in particular gave us problems because it does a move that nearly oneshots anyone in melee and the scary ranged attack that nukes everyone in the party (no matter who's trying to tank it).

 

After a few wipes we did it perfectly with no deaths, with us 2 Eles and 2 Thieves rotating our projectile reflects and in the end we took little to no damage on that try.

This ^

The only dungeon I've ran that's easier than CM Story is CoF Explorable, on the asuran path. That one is faceroll easy and actually can be 'tanked' to a certain degree, and I've even done that on my necro a few times.

Guardians are still pretty good at mitigating damage, though, so they tend to fill that role fairly decently.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by Aerowyn

^ this as well very rarely have I seen just a swarm of melee.. so the grab everyone and everyone else stand away or get out of LOS  would not work anyway in most situations. 

Which is why you LoS. like you would in any traditional mmo.

Have you never played an mmo before GW2? You usually LoS when there are ranged mobs.

doesn't even sound like you play this game honestly after how you talk about it... and yes I have been playing MMOs since they started.. not all areas are setup where you can even LOS and in many old school MMOS that didn't matter because projectiles were homing and would hit you anyway..

Yes, I'm sure LOS is a viable tactic when AOE spikes are popping up at random underneath everyone, inclulding the "tank" (lol), who, in addition to having to move to prevent the mobs from 3 shotting him, have to avoid direct damage from environment hazards. Sounds like these attempts at "tanking" are more awkward and frustrating than just doing it the way the devs had in mind, honestly.

Any fight can use a tank but no fight needs a tank. Thus its all play preference. You want to play your char as a tank, be my guest, but don't complain that the boss kills you when you think you can sit there infront of it while spamming skills to "hold aggro" and it either ignores you and kills your dps or you die in a few hits anyway.

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by Aerowyn

doesn't even sound like you play this game honestly after how you talk about it... and yes I have been playing MMOs since they started.. not all areas are setup where you can even LOS and in many old school MMOS that didn't matter because projectiles were homing and would hit you anyway if you got targeted before getting behind something.. on top of this in most cases many MMOs you used LOS to get out of the way just long enough for a tank to grab aggro or just to hide from a huge AOE. In this game it's pointless because as soon as you got back in range of ranged mobs would target you again since there is no taunt mechanic.

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

I'm level 80. I've done nearly every instance on story mode and some on explorer. I can back up her claim. Clearly you havent seen half the dungeons to know any better. Shame. Try again please.

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Atlan99

First it was there are no tanks.

Then it was only that dungeon.

Then it's you can't tank certain bosses. 

The story keeps changing.

There are no tanks.

It is that dungeon. It's the easiest in the game and people chain run it for that 20k xp at the end.

You can't tank any bosses since there is no hate.

Haters gonna hate.

Topic says 'Tanking'  in CM and he mentioned tanking again in OP..hence my reaction. So is he talking about tanking in a topic titled about tanking or not? this topic is so confusing.

And even if it is possible to play tank role why it offends you so much? is Tank a dirty word now?

Because it's incorrect. Tanking in a traditional sense means that there is a hate mechanic with a possibility to taunt. It just doesn't exist in the game.

Now, if by tanking you mean damage prevention, than all classes can do that. My squishy thief can mitigate damage with Black Powder which blinds foes for a few seconds and I can pretty much spam it for a long time. Would that be tanking?

Isn't purpose of tank is to soak damage so that other stay alive? so why isn't it tanking? in Rift rogues can tank too even though it is lot harder and they are referred to as tanks.

What i am puzzled about is your comment regarding 'haters gonna hate'. Since when mentioning tanking in GW2 is hating? if you are upset maybe you should have a word with OP? after al it is him who very specificaly mentioned it not us.

The "haters gonna hate" comment was a response to the last sentence of the post I originally quoted. Everyone who has been on these forums for a bit are probably familiar with Atlan99's knack for negative exaggerations, all the while claiming to liking the game.

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by heartless

There are no tanks.

It is that dungeon. It's the easiest in the game and people chain run it for that 20k xp at the end.

You can't tank any bosses since there is no hate.

Haters gonna hate.

Do you even play the game?

If there is no hate, then how does my Earth elemental tank for me whenever I need him to?

Earth elementals and NPC's in general seem to always attract the focus of a mob first.

Aggro lists in GW2, if there are any (you'd need to ask the devs how they function) at least seem to reset or switch periodically.

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by Aerowyn

doesn't even sound like you play this game honestly after how you talk about it... and yes I have been playing MMOs since they started.. not all areas are setup where you can even LOS and in many old school MMOS that didn't matter because projectiles were homing and would hit you anyway if you got targeted before getting behind something.. on top of this in most cases many MMOs you used LOS to get out of the way just long enough for a tank to grab aggro or just to hide from a huge AOE. In this game it's pointless because as soon as you got back in range of ranged mobs would target you again since there is no taunt mechanic.

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

To clear this up, bosses do reset on full whipe.

Some bosses can be zerged a bit easier, as they are close to a spawn point, but there are others that can't. Some bosses are faceroll easy, and others are hairpulling hard. Some bosses even use the reset mechanic during the fight (to unlock CoE there's a boss that constantly teleports around the map. If you don't attack him fast enough he resets every time).

Generally speaking, most Storymode's are fairly easy. It's the explorables that are where most of the challenge are, and some of those are so hard that it seems nearly impossible to get passed certain areas. This is only made more true, by people being in zerg mentallity & not bothering to evaluate each fight to see if they need to modify their build a bit.

Originally posted by eggy08

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

I'm level 80. I've done nearly every instance on story mode and some on explorer. I can back up her claim. Clearly you havent seen half the dungeons to know any better. Shame. Try again please.

"Any fight can use a tank..." - eggy08

Thanks for having my back.

Originally posted by Master10K

Caudecus' Manor is by far the easiest dungeon in the game (well of the ones I've done so far). Any group can finish it in 30mins (the same amount of time it takes for a food buff to run out).

 

Now quite frankly, some bosses are impossible to face tank, even in story mode, like ones that can only be hit at ranged. But just today I did the Sorrow's Embrace and it's impossible to face tank some of the encounters. One imparticular being Kudu and the 3 golems encounter. Today I was in an all squishy group... me (an Elementalist) and 1 other Elementalist, a necromancer (that didn't have much toughness) and 2 Thieves. The 2nd golem in particular gave us problems because it does a move that nearly oneshots anyone in melee and the scary ranged attack that nukes everyone in the party (no matter who's trying to tank it).

 

After a few wipes we did it perfectly with no deaths, with us 2 Eles and 2 Thieves rotating our projectile reflects and in the end we took little to no damage on that try.

This is where I would tank the golems, I had to get the screen shot on explorable mode, but the staircase works fine whether you're fighting one golem at a time or 3 at once.

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by eggy08

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

I'm level 80. I've done nearly every instance on story mode and some on explorer. I can back up her claim. Clearly you havent seen half the dungeons to know any better. Shame. Try again please.

"Any fight can use a tank..." - eggy08

Thanks for having my back.

GJ reading the whole post. Any fight can use an idiot too, doesn't mean it makes the fight easier thou does it?

Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by eggy08

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

I'm level 80. I've done nearly every instance on story mode and some on explorer. I can back up her claim. Clearly you havent seen half the dungeons to know any better. Shame. Try again please.

"Any fight can use a tank..." - eggy08

Thanks for having my back.

GJ reading the whole post. Any fight can use an idiot too, doesn't mean it makes the fight easier thou does it?

Straw man.

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by eggy08

"Gaia is saying most bosses reset on full wipe so your res zerging wouldn't matter either way.. i haven't seen enough dungeons to say either way so just going off what I have read. If that's the case then it works like pretty much how most other MMOs I have played work and don't see the issue.:" - Aerowyn

This is my repsonse.

I'm level 80. I've done nearly every instance on story mode and some on explorer. I can back up her claim. Clearly you havent seen half the dungeons to know any better. Shame. Try again please.

"Any fight can use a tank..." - eggy08

Thanks for having my back.

GJ reading the whole post. Any fight can use an idiot too, doesn't mean it makes the fight easier thou does it?

Straw man.

Not really. Considering you brought up any fight can use a tank, thats a counter argument to you stating that proves your point. Sorry it went over your head. Want me to simplify it for you with a real example? Any fight can use a ranger, but no fight needs a ranger. Does a ranger make the fight easier than any other class? No, but you can put one in there can't you? Yay logic.

Surely there's some aggro mechanic and you can work around with terrain and skills to keep mob attention on one person. But there is NO RELIABLE WAY to do it. Furthermore since Anet didn't want to make a tank class, even if people will figure out some flaw in aggro mechanic, one change will send them into darkness again. Imo good group set up is and will be one who support each other, rather than try to have dedicated tank and healers.

Anyways gonna ask same question as in last tank thread:

I took my "tank" guardian with "dps" warrior into CM story(so same dungeon as in OP) and duoed it all the way. There was NO WAY to make mob stick onto me once it went for warrior no matter what I did. If there's a magic build/skill/rotation to make it possible, enlighten us please...

lol this thread was funny. Everyone just kept feeding atlan....

This is really simple, bring some prove atlan. No one believes you because its a lie.

Originally posted by Kuppa

lol this thread was funny. Everyone just kept feeding atlan....

This is really simple, bring some prove atlan. No one believes you because its a lie.

The threads he posts in always amuse me. Most amusing part of this one is that he doesnt know the difference between a tank in the traditional sense vs a defensive / survivability specced character.