Originally posted by kabitoshin
GAAAAAAAAAAAWD DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG, Will y'all people ever be happy with an MMO?

Probably not.  Doom.

Wanna buy a t-shirt?

Originally posted by kabitoshin

Originally posted by VirusDancer
Without both negative and positive feedback, the developers will not be able to deliver the best game they can.  They need the negative feedback as much as they need the positive.  If they are not aware of an issue and how it potentially affects players, they will not be able to address it.  They're not fanbois - they're in business.  They want to make money - they want both the positive and negative feedback.

Yeah but some people take it too far, trolling has gotten quite childish these days, most the complaints aren't legit they just want to see that game fail.

And I think that is where a problem arises (something I just brought up in another thread).  I generally think there are three types of "complaints", so to speak...

Thomas - posts that he does not like something.  If you ask Thomas to elaborate, it may be like pulling teeth; but you will enventually figure out more details about what Thomas does not like.  It's a legitimate complaint, it was just painful as Hell to figure it out.

Richard - posts that he does not like something.  There's no substance to it - at all.  Richard's just being a...well, anyway.

Harold - posts in details what he does not like.  He may even go so far as to explain how it could be improved for him.

The more posts by folks like Richard, the more post by people like Thomas and Harold will get lumped in with posts by folks like Richard.

this is a misinformed OP. THere are plenty of positive threads on here. The problem is that no one comments on positive thread. The threads that stay on the top are the ones about negative stuff. SO if you dig you will find tons of I love this game and this game is great. But no one response to them, everyone wants to be part of the flame wars.

queue music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToqnnNQa0I

Originally posted by kalrhael
Everyone turns into a bitter cynic after thet game they've hyped up and got all worked up over the years tanked, and then we drift from game to game looking for our perfect gem...

Available evidence provided by this forum over the last eight years (more?) suggests that it's never coming.

But there seems to be a healthy crowd who do not play MMOs, yet never stop bitchin' about them.  You may join them, membership is free.

Originally posted by Starpower
This thread is so negative

yeah, kinda popped into my mind immedietaly

Originally posted by Killsmallchi

this is a misinformed OP. THere are plenty of positive threads on here. The problem is that no one comments on positive thread. The threads that stay on the top are the ones about negative stuff. SO if you dig you will find tons of I love this game and this game is great. But no one response to them, everyone wants to be part of the flame wars.

queue music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToqnnNQa0I

You're exactly right the people that love the game rarely post here, take it they post it on a website dedicated to the game. This is the flame pit for people that don't like a certain game, That video cracked me up, thanks.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Starpower
This thread is so negative

yeah, kinda popped into my mind immedietaly

Negative about the negativety, you're exactly right.

So say something positive and righteous for a change!  Dig how beautiful it is out here.

OP: paragraphs are very useful.

I like being negative and critical, I don't understand why some people take offense to it. I don't like jumping into a herd and championing something, I will try to disect it first and see if I can see any flaws, and I don't mind pointing them out. Some people love everything, to me it's just irrational behavior, they just jump from one thing to the next, everything is awesome, well it's not, most things have flaws and suck, if everything was great there would be no progress. There is this stigma attached to being negative about things, although I get along fine with people who are negative with me, so the issue isn't with us ^-^.

Originally posted by Metentso
If you have a whole genre that's gone to hell, what would you expect? Of course there is a lot of negativity.

Note that the argument is entirely circular; the premise is the same as the conclusion. 

Amazing, but this question will get check off on the essay exam.  D-

Originally posted by bansan

People, stop tearing your hair out.  It's anti-marketing, probably from brand x, and it happens at every launch.  They just want you fools to post in their thread so their inflamatory title scrolls up and it's all filled up with those titles to influence people like you.

"It's a wow clone."

"It's too different."

"it's unfinished."

"Is P2W ruining the game?"

"Worst customer service ever!"

"I don't normally post, but this game is a failure!"

"Dumbed down."

"Not enough content"

"I like this game, but the community is so aweful I refuse to play!"

"An honest opinion from an honest reviewer" (yeah, so everyone else's is not honest right?)

Stop responding to them you fools.  Most of these are not real opinions.

Take your meds bro.

Yes, there area  lot of craptastic games out there.  One could spend the majority of their lives making posts about how bad some of the games are.  But why the hell would you?  Why not just move on and play something else?  Take your time and make a solid post on the games official forums.  Post in a way that provides the developers with information that let's them know what you didn't/did like and maybe what they could change/improve.... then move on.

As others have said, the MMO community is really quite awful. People say whatever they want without any consideration for others at all.

I'd love to see MMORPG.COM set a trend.  I would love to see them mute all trolls. Take their forum/posting privileges away. If a poster just posts for the +1 or to try to start an argument... mute them. Block their IP/MAC address.

So what do you do when product 'X' is hyped up by the community of said product AND the developers?

Do you sit there and go "yea sure, sounds cool", do you allow them to continue spouting nonsense when you feel in your gut that it is?

With RIFT we had the same'ol same'ol of "AMAZING! This is going to be the best MMO for the next 10yrs!"....

With SWTOR we had the same'ol same'ol of "AMAZING! This is going to be the best MMO for the next 10yrs!"....

With AION we had the same'ol same'ol of "AMAZING! This is going to be the best MMO for the next 10yrs!"....

With TERA we had the same'ol same'ol of "AMAZING! This is going to be the best MMO for the next 10yrs!"....

With GW2 we had THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE THE SAVIOR OF OUR GENRE!

Guess what, the fact that you're complaining about people whom are trying to shut these unrealisticly bold-faced lies about the genre means that you don't want "Negative" criticism EVER. That will do WORSE than people complaining about product 'X'. If no one ever complained we'd be stuck with 1000000000 clones of World of Warcraft, and yet all the other gaming platforms & genres are evolving with technology.

Is the MMO industry evolving? Of course not when we have people like the OP who are willing to accept mediocrity passed off as a higher quality product because we're being told that it is.

I will not sit here and see the same product be re-skinned and pushed out time after time after time, and then be told that it is "innovative" and the "next step" for MMOs when it obviously is a bold-faced & outright LIE. I have a feeling that many people are the same way.

You have zero sympathy from me OP so you can go back to burrying your head in the sand & calling everything "Just Fine".

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Tom does not like Feature A in Game X.  Jerry loves Feature B in Game Y.  According to some, Tom should not be allowed to post - only Jerry should.

Hrmmmm...

The best part is the following:

Laurel does not like Feature C in Game Z.  Hardy loves Feature C in Game Z.

These threads go around and around, as Friends of Laurel and Friends of Hardy attempt to convince the other that they are "wrong" - when, er - it's a subjective thing.  It's not a right or wrong thing.  I do not like green beans.  Some people do.  Generally, we do not find the need to convince the other that they are wrong.  Gamers do it all the time though.

WAIT!!!! I thought we have 3 factions now.

Need to move your analogy to Larry Curly and Mo

--On Tpic--

The reason for all these negative threads is because for over a year now, this community has been subjected to a ridiculous amount of hype for GW2. One most memorable thread was the "Paradigm Shift" Thread.

Well, good as the game is, it's no paradigm shift and since each and every negative opinion that was ever presented in these boards of over a year had been squelched, ridiculed, trolled and in many cases, locked to shut the dissenters up.

Well, guess what? There is no way any game could ever live up to the level of hype this one got and now people are disappointed.

It's called backlash. It has happened with EVERY MMO released since WoW and now it's GW2's turn.

Maybe, if as a community, we welcome dissneting opinions and validate them and discuss them under the assumption that "OP" is justified, we can all come to a realistic expectaition of what's to come. But that did not happen here. Never does, and I don't particularly see it starting any time soon.

Originally posted by kabitoshin
GAAAAAAAAAAAWD DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG, Will y'all people ever be happy with an MMO? Probably not, every single time I check this site the title of a thread is bashing a game or unsatisfied about the game in general.  No MMO will capture your heart like the first on you played and spent countless hours on, I know MMO companies like to hear comments how to improve but daaaaaaaaaamn y'all take it too far and just try to destroy the MMO community. Go play a console game that has the same design as 100's of other console games, look at all the RPG games..... THEY ARE ALL THE SAME but a little different. Sick of all Y'alls "opinions",  if y'all dont like a game just don't play it and don't post a crappy thread about how you didn't enjoy it. What game besides rift has had a successful  launch,probably cause not many were interested in it. WoW didn't have a good launch, but look it's the most successful MMO granted cause they target the teenagers now. But all I'm just saying is stop with the negativety of an MMO cause you don't like it, Sure GW2 isn't as great as people praised it to be, but WoW didn't become the titan it is over a week, it took years for them to fix bugs that was annoying. If no MMO is better than the one you're playing now just stop trying others and keep playing it and quit posting your negative thread. It's better to have 5 good MMOs than 1 so we can all enjoy our "cup of tea".