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  Onomas

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Joined: 7/05/11
Posts: 1160

Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

9/08/12 1:12:31 AM#241

Worst topic ive read on here in weeks.

 

Hello Kitty Online awaits people that cant figure out the easy dumbed down mmo's. I mean seriously, have you ever played an old mmo? It was 100 times more difficult lol. These newer games are easy as pie, and if you died 2000 times, you should realy look at yourself and  not the game.

 

Want mmo's more easy? Could alwys stick to console rpg's and use cheats ;)

  KaosProphet

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Joined: 8/31/12
Posts: 384

9/08/12 3:24:25 AM#242
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by ForumPvP What happened to WoW,dumbed down to the bottom,this post doesnt make any sense.  
Dumbed down is good. Dumbed down is GREAT, because it makes me feel the HERO and not the useless twat I am for free in RL 24/7 already thank you very much.
 Clearly you aren't a hero if you need a game in easy mode to become a hero.   There are people who feel heroic and do amazing things in games that actually have any difficulty. This stems from the same thought process that led to not keeping score in kids sports so that no one felt bad. It creates generations of people who have no drive to overcome adversity and make something of themselves.   I say take every game out there and make it minimum 2-3x as hard as it is now and we might be getting close to the golden age of gaming.
No .. just no.

 

And no one is a real hero. We are talking about GAMES here. Make belief. People should have fun with them ... and not feel like the game is impossible.

 


 

There not make believe if your investing money in them.

Also, they were once virtual worlds...some people forget that.

You are kidding me. No one "invest" money in MMOs. You play for a game. No different than paying for a movie. Is movie not make-believe anymore? Plus, many MMOs are F2P .. you don't even have to pay.

There were ONCE virtual worlds ... so what .. they are no longer.

Typical entitlement complex:

"I got mine, so GTFO."

  Scot

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Joined: 10/10/03
Posts: 5423

9/08/12 4:38:24 AM#243
The gaming companies that make MMO's now want in the social network market. Social network 'gamers'  play games that make Hello Kitty Online look complex. So the drive to make MMO's even more simple to expand into that market is going to continue to push MMO's into dumbing down gameplay.
  someforumguy

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Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 3518

9/08/12 4:44:59 AM#244

I can relate to the OP. Two of my guildies are not used to twitchbased combat and will likely never get used to that. They loved GW1, but I have a difficult time getting them to like GW2. While I am probably one of those people who welcomes more challenge in a MMO, I hate to lose those two in GW2.

That explorable dungeons are tough is to be expected. That you shouldn't enter PVP and expect to win without some dodging skills too. But the personal story can be even real challenging for some of these players, which imo is the wrong place for it.

  Dirkonis

Novice Member

Joined: 4/15/12
Posts: 2

9/08/12 8:07:36 AM#245

You can't be upset that a fanbase voiced its position louder than you and got something changed. I for one enjoy a little difficulty in my MMO's then again I can get passed level 16 on a Mesmer. Not trying to be a jerk here but don't blame a portion of the GW2 fans for you not being able to level a Mesmer. 

The instances for the story are a joke, level a little higher than is needed then go do the story. I honestly think you jumped in one at a level lower than required and are mad because you could not finish it. Leveling in an MMO is not supposed to be a quick affair, storylines are not supposed to be a joke. I played FFXI from US launch, GW2 is a joke compared to it on a difficulty scale. Just play...better is all I can really say and I hate to boil it down like that but just get better. Switch tactics, do more hearts and events to level then go out and do your story. 

The level down you are talking about is scaling, so it is fair for everyone and better for you. You get similar experience counts even at level 70 when you're in say a level 15 zone. Relax

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20673

9/08/12 1:10:31 PM#246
Originally posted by Xthos

I am SICK and TIRED of the exact opposite.....Leveling is too fast, game mechanics are too shallow...

 Then play D3.

Paragon leveling is VERY slow and there are many viable builds and variations you can explore.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20673

9/08/12 1:13:46 PM#247
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by ForumPvP What happened to WoW,dumbed down to the bottom,this post doesnt make any sense.  
Dumbed down is good. Dumbed down is GREAT, because it makes me feel the HERO and not the useless twat I am for free in RL 24/7 already thank you very much.
 Clearly you aren't a hero if you need a game in easy mode to become a hero.   There are people who feel heroic and do amazing things in games that actually have any difficulty. This stems from the same thought process that led to not keeping score in kids sports so that no one felt bad. It creates generations of people who have no drive to overcome adversity and make something of themselves.   I say take every game out there and make it minimum 2-3x as hard as it is now and we might be getting close to the golden age of gaming.
No .. just no.

 

And no one is a real hero. We are talking about GAMES here. Make belief. People should have fun with them ... and not feel like the game is impossible.

 


 

There not make believe if your investing money in them.

Also, they were once virtual worlds...some people forget that.

You are kidding me. No one "invest" money in MMOs. You play for a game. No different than paying for a movie. Is movie not make-believe anymore? Plus, many MMOs are F2P .. you don't even have to pay.

There were ONCE virtual worlds ... so what .. they are no longer.

Typical entitlement complex:

"I got mine, so GTFO."

I would call it "the customer is always right". If devs want my business, do it so that i like it. If not, i walk.

It is a free world. I don't see why my entertainment should be shackled by other people's ideals. There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.

  Wickedjelly

Novice Member

Joined: 4/19/09
Posts: 5064

The Dude abides

9/08/12 1:22:24 PM#248

TSW and GW2 are not hard.

So not really sure what the problem is.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  dave6660

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Joined: 9/26/08
Posts: 2366

"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

9/08/12 1:25:22 PM#249
Originally posted by nariusseldon

I would call it "the customer is always right". If devs want my business, do it so that i like it. If not, i walk.

It is a free world. I don't see why my entertainment should be shackled by other people's ideals. There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.

Get a job dealing with the public then come back and tell us how "the customer is always right".

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  Hurvart

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Joined: 11/02/10
Posts: 566

9/08/12 1:34:54 PM#250
Originally posted by Elikal

Seriously, I so HAVE it had with those people always yelling "MORE DIFFICULT" please. Why are the devs always listen to them? I am really pissed. First The Secret World, which I quit because I died 2000 times. And now with GW2 it is the same again. The difficulty was just right in the late beta, but a few people whined with Esports mentality, some 16 year old action zergers asked for more hardcore, and now beyond level 16 both my Mesmer and my Thief are unplayable. I HATE those people. Why must they always cater THEM? While the world is fully crowded you get along, but play on irregular times, and those classes are a DAMN CHORE. And worse, the story instances are nightmares! I even took a friend along, and we died several times, even had to just ignore some instances, because even with two we simply could not do it, and to hell with levelling, because the DAMN GAME levels you down again, no matter.

I am so fed up with developers always listen to this hardcore crowd who ruin every game because they need games to be a dick size contest to PROVE themselves!

Grrrr

People want to have fun. If we need more challenge and higher diffuculty to have fun it will be reasonable to demand it. And if the developers agree its up to them. But I think difficulty must depend on goals. People that cant handle the highest difficulty should have other options. Things that are meaningful and fun. Other goals. It will work that way unless they start to want the same rewards the best players can get.

IMO, everyone should be able to play a MMORPG and have fun. The devs must create fun content for most players. But the players also must have the proper attitude. I can enjoy running and cycling. But if I believed I had to be as good as the TDF riders or the olympic runners it would no longer be fun.I cant win the TDF and I will never get gold medals. But i have fun anyway when I train. I mean as long as there is something meaningful to do it is good enough. Dont care about other players. What rewards they can get or what content they can do. Think about you. What can you do? Is it fun? And if it is just ignore the elite.

  KaosProphet

Novice Member

Joined: 8/31/12
Posts: 384

9/08/12 3:05:21 PM#251
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by KaosProphet
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by ForumPvP What happened to WoW,dumbed down to the bottom,this post doesnt make any sense.  
Dumbed down is good. Dumbed down is GREAT, because it makes me feel the HERO and not the useless twat I am for free in RL 24/7 already thank you very much.
 Clearly you aren't a hero if you need a game in easy mode to become a hero.   There are people who feel heroic and do amazing things in games that actually have any difficulty. This stems from the same thought process that led to not keeping score in kids sports so that no one felt bad. It creates generations of people who have no drive to overcome adversity and make something of themselves.   I say take every game out there and make it minimum 2-3x as hard as it is now and we might be getting close to the golden age of gaming.
No .. just no.

 

And no one is a real hero. We are talking about GAMES here. Make belief. People should have fun with them ... and not feel like the game is impossible.

 


 

There not make believe if your investing money in them.

Also, they were once virtual worlds...some people forget that.

You are kidding me. No one "invest" money in MMOs. You play for a game. No different than paying for a movie. Is movie not make-believe anymore? Plus, many MMOs are F2P .. you don't even have to pay.

There were ONCE virtual worlds ... so what .. they are no longer.

Typical entitlement complex:

"I got mine, so GTFO."

I would call it "the customer is always right". If devs want my business, do it so that i like it. If not, i walk.

It is a free world. I don't see why my entertainment should be shackled by other people's ideals.

As you shackle down the entertainment of others with your ideas, and gloat when you "win."  

I don't want to infringe on your entertainment, I just want you to stop pissing on mine like an incontinent poodle.

There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.

Sure they are - once you've stripped the word of enough meaning, so that  everything is an MMO if you say it is.  Which is where you're going.

  gasperk

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 63

9/08/12 3:18:48 PM#252

Go play Call of duty  +  Aimbot if GW2 is hard. 

You will bash 1 button to shot and it makes you feel like a real HERO !

  adamlin747

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Joined: 6/29/05
Posts: 21

9/08/12 8:53:35 PM#253
Originally posted by Elikal

Seriously, I so HAVE it had with those people always yelling "MORE DIFFICULT" please. Why are the devs always listen to them? I am really pissed. First The Secret World, which I quit because I died 2000 times. And now with GW2 it is the same again. The difficulty was just right in the late beta, but a few people whined with Esports mentality, some 16 year old action zergers asked for more hardcore, and now beyond level 16 both my Mesmer and my Thief are unplayable. I HATE those people. Why must they always cater THEM? While the world is fully crowded you get along, but play on irregular times, and those classes are a DAMN CHORE. And worse, the story instances are nightmares! I even took a friend along, and we died several times, even had to just ignore some instances, because even with two we simply could not do it, and to hell with levelling, because the DAMN GAME levels you down again, no matter.

I am so fed up with developers always listen to this hardcore crowd who ruin every game because they need games to be a dick size contest to PROVE themselves!

Grrrr

While I am not sure you are serious or not I am not a big fan of twitch style combat, and I hope all MMO's don't head in that direction eventually.  With that being said I did not like GW2 that much when I first started playing but now I am having a blast, only issue is lack of open world pvp where someone could attack me in the middle of nowhere, and a lack of RP elements as far as the world is soo huge I haven't stayed in one area long enough to get a good feel for it. 

  Souldrainer

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9/08/12 9:26:42 PM#254
Originally posted by Elikal

Seriously, I so HAVE it had with those people always yelling "MORE DIFFICULT" please. Why are the devs always listen to them? I am really pissed. First The Secret World, which I quit because I died 2000 times. And now with GW2 it is the same again. The difficulty was just right in the late beta, but a few people whined with Esports mentality, some 16 year old action zergers asked for more hardcore, and now beyond level 16 both my Mesmer and my Thief are unplayable. I HATE those people. Why must they always cater THEM? While the world is fully crowded you get along, but play on irregular times, and those classes are a DAMN CHORE. And worse, the story instances are nightmares! I even took a friend along, and we died several times, even had to just ignore some instances, because even with two we simply could not do it, and to hell with levelling, because the DAMN GAME levels you down again, no matter.

I am so fed up with developers always listen to this hardcore crowd who ruin every game because they need games to be a dick size contest to PROVE themselves!

Grrrr

 

I agree with you, for the same reason I skipped Dark Souls. I work hard IRL and don't have time to work hard in games. Hell, sometimes I watch cinematics on youtube or set the game on easy just to get through the story. Hard games aren't fun when you only get 5 hours of play time a week and end up spending 3 of them looking at loading screens and repeating content because you died.

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9/08/12 9:42:21 PM#255
Originally posted by nariusseldon

It is a free world. I don't see why my entertainment should be shackled by other people's ideals. There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.

That's exactly why you should stop telling others their opinions are wrong, yours is right, and how companies are making the games you like for the right reasons.  Open your perspective a bit.  Realize everyone is not you or even like you.  Some people like other things and would like a few games that cater to their own wants for a change.  Why does every game need to be made how you like it?  Not everyone likes drive through gaming.  Not everyone wants instant satisfaction.   In short...stop being greedy and self serving.   Stop shackling the entertainment of others with your ideals.  Maybe someday you'll see the journey and enjoy it instead of just enjoying the destination.  Maybe not.

  worldalpha

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9/08/12 9:55:13 PM#256
I'm sure with all things there needs to be a balance.  Too easy or too hard and you'll get the complaints.  You'll never be able to please everyone.

Thanks,
Mike
Working on Social Strategy MMORTS (now Launched!) http://www.worldalpha.com

  ctshame

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9/08/12 9:57:30 PM#257
Sorry OP but I have to agree games today are way to easy. GW2 is not even really that hard. I was doing most of the skill points where you have to kill the elite mobs with ads alone. Just play it some more and find your class and itll become easy,

  User Deleted
9/08/12 10:07:09 PM#258
Originally posted by worldalpha
  You'll never be able to please everyone.

I agree with this part.  Which is something game makers don't seem to understand.  Instead, they play follow the trend and expect to get all gamers to their one game.  It won't happen.  Pick an audience.  Make the game for that audience.  Profit.  And for god's sake, get off the pedastals and talk to us.  We'll both be better off for it.

  Silok

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9/08/12 11:52:13 PM#259

There a game for you people who think mmo these day are too hard.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/854/Soul-of-Guardian.html

Auto-travel

Auto-fight

Auto-equip

Auto-gather

Auto- everything

After 60 sec you are lvl 10 , you got a mount and all, in fact the only thing you do is accepting the quest and the game do everything for you. That a game for YOU. no joke there..

  Lethargic_Synapse

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9/09/12 2:39:40 AM#260
God forbid rewards take effort to obtain.
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