Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by prpshrt
I wanna jump in and say that WvW is complete garbage. It feels like the zerging part of events thrown into PvP. The queues are terrible and you just don't level that quickly. This game is not by ANY means WvW focused or PvP focused for that matter. GW1's PvP was far superior and infact they actually sold just the PvP access pack cause there was so much to do in PvP itself. Many will disagree with me but I think compared to GW1s PvP, this is a failure. Oh and btw, I love the PvE aspect of the game. Level 60 and still going ^^

I agree that it can feel like zerging, but I know that, for me, once I got into a decent WvW group and started messing with siege weapons and getting involved in the "big picture" more, it got a lot more fun.  In the end though, the actual player to player combat aspect of WvW is largely zerging.  The strategic aspect is fun though.  It will appeal to some folks and not to others I think.

 Yeah...I really enjoy WvW. More than I thought I would to be honest. I find it to be a lot of fun. My only gripe is that it seems the better gear is mostly acquired via PvE and doesn't really seem possible through PvP. Even if you collect up honor badges the weapons are level 70 ones? Really? Wtf is that all about? Unless there is a different vendor I'm missing with 80 ones.

Yeah I agree...they should make it so you can basically live in WvW if you want to.

One of my issues with it is regarding leveling.  In WvW you can get good exp, but ONLY if you are lucky enough to be a part of a group that is actually defending or assaulting things...otherwise the exp is pretty crappy.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Creslin321

Maybe.  

I'm a fan of the game...no doubt.  But still, let's look at the situation here.

When I was playing TERA, some poster advice on a different way to play, really helped me enjoy the game.  I see a lot of folks here complain that GW2 is just like other themeparks, and I thought...hey maybe I could help them too!

And what do I get?  A trial.  Yep, put on trial for the terrible offense of liking a game for trying to help others enjoy it.  WTF has this place come to?

 You have seemed a bit slighted towards favoring just about anything in relation to this game Cres outside the gold v gem debate.

However...not sure what their problem is with this topic. Some helpful hints for those to try and enjoy the game. There are topics stating they aren't enjoying it so not sure why it is an issue to have a topic trying to provide those folks some insight.

There's a huge difference between praising a game because you are blindly and hopelessly committed to doing so (the traditional definition of fanboy) and becoming a legitimate fan because so many of the game's features have proven to be overwhelmingly positive.  Anyone who makes fanboy accusations against people who fall into the latter category have their causality backwards. 

If, after passing one's critical analysis, a game emerges favorably, it will (and should) be spoken of favorably.  The opposite is true as well.  Fanboyism applies to one's approach to the critical analysis of the game, not the resulting conclusions. 

As for this whole thread, I'm really surprised you've let such an obvious troll get to you so much, Creslin.  We all know the purpose of these forums and of such threads.  So does he.  He just wanted nothing other than to rain on your parade and apparently has succeeded. 

Originally posted by Aerowyn
Helping people try to enjoy a game = fanboi /cheerleader on these forums just gotta accept that and move on :) nice to see these posts though where people are genuinely trying to help others.. Sad people still bash him for it... Anyway see yall back in tyria

Why is being a "cheerleader" bad? Does it have anything to do with that several people may have disliked cheerleaders in high school (Merely speculation)?

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Aerowyn
Helping people try to enjoy a game = fanboi /cheerleader on these forums just gotta accept that and move on :) nice to see these posts though where people are genuinely trying to help others.. Sad people still bash him for it... Anyway see yall back in tyria

 

Why is being a "cheerleader" bad? Does it have anything to do with that several people may have disliked cheerleaders in high school (Merely speculation)?

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Aerowyn
Helping people try to enjoy a game = fanboi /cheerleader on these forums just gotta accept that and move on :) nice to see these posts though where people are genuinely trying to help others.. Sad people still bash him for it... Anyway see yall back in tyria

 

Why is being a "cheerleader" bad? Does it have anything to do with that several people may have disliked cheerleaders in high school (Merely speculation)?

 

I don't have issues with term cheerleader but in gaming forums it seems synonymous with fanboi which is silly to me

Oh okay, thanks for the explanation. 

Originally posted by mazut
People either have fun on they don't :) How can anyone explain "how to have fun" ?! o.O

Originally posted by Torgrim

Great post.

The key to GW2 is exploration, if you don't enjoy finding things on your own beacuse you are used to questhub system were exploration is pointless then yes I can understand if you have problem liking GW2.

If you find DE boring and bland well then you should also feel the same way with the quest hub systems in other MMOs which means you are tired of the whole themepark genre so it would be prudent to take a break or try other MMOs such EVE,Darkfall,Mortal Online and alike.

I agree with this post.  While I appreciate what the OP is trying to do with this thread, and it may help some people, but I'm of the opinion that people do genuinely want to like the game so they probably have already tried what was suggested.

My feeling is those who are growing bored already are likely suffering from overall themepark MMO burn-out.  Is GW2 a beautiful game...yes.  Does GW2 offer some innovations or at least improvements to the themepark experience....yes.  However it's not some massive change so those who had already grown bored of the WoW's/Rifts/SWTOR's of the world are probably starting to get fatigued at GW2 as well.  That's my take anyway.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by prpshrt
I wanna jump in and say that WvW is complete garbage. It feels like the zerging part of events thrown into PvP. The queues are terrible and you just don't level that quickly. This game is not by ANY means WvW focused or PvP focused for that matter. GW1's PvP was far superior and infact they actually sold just the PvP access pack cause there was so much to do in PvP itself. Many will disagree with me but I think compared to GW1s PvP, this is a failure. Oh and btw, I love the PvE aspect of the game. Level 60 and still going ^^

I agree that it can feel like zerging, but I know that, for me, once I got into a decent WvW group and started messing with siege weapons and getting involved in the "big picture" more, it got a lot more fun.  In the end though, the actual player to player combat aspect of WvW is largely zerging.  The strategic aspect is fun though.  It will appeal to some folks and not to others I think.

 Yeah...I really enjoy WvW. More than I thought I would to be honest. I find it to be a lot of fun. My only gripe is that it seems the better gear is mostly acquired via PvE and doesn't really seem possible through PvP. Even if you collect up honor badges the weapons are level 70 ones? Really? Wtf is that all about? Unless there is a different vendor I'm missing with 80 ones.

I know it makes it kinda hard, and it's not like you can gather crafting mats to work on your armorsmith or tailor for your guy too(so many high level mats out their). And you don't make much money unless you get in a killer defense and get like 20 "defend the keep" events. All baring gold medals. So it's hard to want to buy the crafter mats. Or even other armor. I kind of float in between WvW and PvE for that armor and money re-coupe and than go back out and blow it all on siege haha.

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Creslin321

Maybe.  

I'm a fan of the game...no doubt.  But still, let's look at the situation here.

When I was playing TERA, some poster advice on a different way to play, really helped me enjoy the game.  I see a lot of folks here complain that GW2 is just like other themeparks, and I thought...hey maybe I could help them too!

And what do I get?  A trial.  Yep, put on trial for the terrible offense of liking a game for trying to help others enjoy it.  WTF has this place come to?

 You have seemed a bit slighted towards favoring just about anything in relation to this game Cres outside the gold v gem debate.

However...not sure what their problem is with this topic. Some helpful hints for those to try and enjoy the game. There are topics stating they aren't enjoying it so not sure why it is an issue to have a topic trying to provide those folks some insight.

There's a huge difference between praising a game because you are blindly and hopelessly committed to doing so (the traditional definition of fanboy) and becoming a legitimate fan because so many of the game's features have proven to be overwhelmingly positive.  Anyone who makes fanboy accusations against people who fall into the latter category have their causality backwards. 

If, after passing one's critical analysis, a game emerges favorably, it will (and should) be spoken of favorably.  The opposite is true as well.  Fanboyism applies to one's approach to the critical analysis of the game, not the resulting conclusions. 

As for this whole thread, I'm really surprised you've let such an obvious troll get to you so much, Creslin.  We all know the purpose of these forums and of such threads.  So does he.  He just wanted nothing other than to rain on your parade and apparently has succeeded. 

Hehehe oddly enough, I kind of enjoy yelling at them.  Pent up rage maybe :)?

I don't think trying to go pure exploration will get you very far, same with pure crafter unless people feed you a ton of mats or you take weeks per level gathering ingredients in the level appropriate zone.

WvW is apparently doable.  I wouldn't know.  I don't feel comfortable enough with how the gameplay feels yet to go really try it.

The game really seems to nag you into doing all the vistas, POIs, and hearts.  It's just no substitute for substansive quests.

I am developing a hatred for this game, as well as Anet

Why you ask?

Because I'm having so much fun that I am completely blowing off other things which should be more important and take precedence. I'm definitely like a week behind in school because this game is freaking amazing. WHY DO COMPANIES RELEASE GAMES AT THE BEGINNING OF SEMESTERS?!?!?! I am getting a very serious addiction, and I hate GW2 and Anet for it.

That being said, this is an obvious love/hate relationship, keep up the good work, i'll be sending arenanet copies of my tuition statement so they can reimburse me when their game causes my failure.

I clicked on this thread thinking the OP would follow up the title with  something like:  You suck, you're wrong or you're bored of MMOs.  

It's great to see a thread like this, instead of all the berating that goes around.

I like posts like these...

But the sad part is... When you look at Creslin's list of the alternative game spheres in GW... it actually makes the game look really bad!

Because, let's face it, you can do nearly all of those in any full-fledged MMO out there - maybe save WvWvW (which to me is more like a mini-game on its own than part of the gameworld, but I'll grant it's a valid game sphere).

Looking back, I think you can actually do a bigger variety of things in Vanguard, LOTRO, or even WOW... And all these are considered straight out themeparks with limiting rides... so I don't see how that list makes GW2 look like it is a game that particularly gives us more options than usual in the genre.

So, good intentions, Creslin, but not really a convincing result. :)

Controversial reminder: SWTOR. Yep, I'm going there. You can explore (it has jump puzzles, too!), craft and PVP-to-cap there, too. Granted, it doesn't have WvWvW, but it has a lousy space game that GW2 doesn't have. :) As well as a boring cap-level open PVP planet. 

According to mmorpg fanbase, SWTOR is one of the most limiting MMOs out there (a feeling I somewhat agree with). So, remind me: How does GW2 give me so many more options?

Originally posted by solarine

I like posts like these...

But the sad part is... When you look at Creslin's list of the alternative game spheres in GW... it actually makes the game look really bad!

Because, let's face it, you can do nearly all of those in any full-fledged MMO out there - maybe save WvWvW (which to me is more like a mini-game on its own than part of the gameworld, but I'll grant it's a valid game sphere).

Looking back, I think you can actually do a bigger variety of things in Vanguard, LOTRO, or even WOW... And all these are considered straight out themeparks with limiting rides... so I don't see how that list makes GW2 look like it is a game that particularly gives us more options than usual in the genre.

So, good intentions, Creslin, but not really a convincing result. :)

Controversial reminder: SWTOR. Yep, I'm going there. You can explore (it has jump puzzles, too!), craft and PVP-to-cap there, too. Granted, it doesn't have WvWvW, but it has a lousy space game that GW2 doesn't have. :) As well as a boring cap-level open PVP planet. 

According to mmorpg fanbase, SWTOR is one of the most limiting MMOs out there (a feeling I somewhat agree with). So, remind me: How does GW2 give me so many more options?

 

Well I think you said it yourself...SWTOR gave you options, but they all sucked ;).  The difference, for me, in GW2, is that those options actually feel worthwhile.  The jumping puzzles in GW2 are ridiculously good sometimes, the WvW is fun, the structured PvP is deep and engaging, and the crafting is rewarding since you get exp and the discovery system is pretty fun.  In SWTOR the jumping puzzles felt incredibly bland.  And Illum was so bad that they basically pulled it.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

"Most honest and  fair" doesn't mean that  a poster is sufficiently such to avoid sharing certain, but necessarelly all, traits with the ideal notion of what a fanboy is. 

it does, because a fanboy isn't fair, he is too blinded by his love of the game to be fair.

 

that said, just for amusement:  Creslin vs. GW2 logicless haters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYNeT2nzEgA

OMG ROFLMAO!! That was awesome.  I find myself visiting the forums a lot less lately now that they have turned into a majority of trash posts bashing GW2 while the supporters have been, for the most part, playing the game. I know when the new game feel dies down it will be safe to pop in and discuss GW2 or other games but until then I choose to read only when I know time is no t on my side so that I am less likely to get sidetracked by troll posts. It was good to see you attempt somethigng helpful Creslin and sad to see a few do their part to turn it into more of the same. I see that Aerowyn has voiced her opinion as well so don't feel bad, she was the rabid GW2 cheerleaing fangirl a couple weeks back for doing the same thing.

To the clown saying it is a pointless thread, I have a good buddy who bought the game and it is only his second ever MMORPG and if it weren't for me constantly informing him on the game, he would have been lost and quit by now. Information is great when you lack it and need to know wtf is wrong on your end. I can see a few benefiting from other peoples POV. Take the information as you will, just seems pointless to fault the OP for your annoyance at reading yet another GW2 thread that was clearly labeled as such in the proper section of MMORPG.com and everything. Weird......

Originally posted by Creslin321

So I'm starting this thread to try to genuinely help folks who may not be having fun with GW2 have more fun.  Now before you think I believe that everyone has to like GW2...this is not the case.  I completely understand that some folks will just not like the game and never will...that's fine.  

But for myself, when I played TERA I was having a horrible experience with the questing, so I posted on the boards about it, and some posters recommended that I just ignore the questing and go out and kill mobs.  I did this, and I found that I was having MUCH more fun with the game.  So I'm hoping to do the same for some folks here that may not be enjoying GW2.

Anyway, the first thing you have to realize is that GW2 really lets you decide how to play it.  If you want to be lead around the game in a fairly linear fashion just going from heart to heart and doing your personal story, then you can do this.  But YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS.

There are so many different ways you can play this game, and I just want to list a few here.  If you aren't having fun, maybe just try switching the focus of your play, or mix and matching a few of these.

1.  WvW focused.  Not only just do WvW, but put your whole focus of play on WvW.  Want to do jumping puzzles?  Do the WvW ones for the blue prints and badges.  Want to do PvE?  Do it to get better abilities and gold to spend in WvW.  Sometimes different motivation can make things more fun, and when your trebuchet is the instrumental siege engine in taking out a huge keep...that's a good feeling.

2.  Crafting focused.  This is typically what I do.  I love increasing my crafting skills, and most of my exploration is focused on getting new ingredients for them.  I rarely even realize when I level, it's just auxiliary to my mission to become the best chef in Tyria lol :).

3.  Exploration focused.  GW2 has a LOT of stuff to explore.  And if you enjoy the jumping puzzles, you can have an amazing time.  Just go out and see things, don't restrain yourself to one or two zones, look for weird nooks and crannies...sometimes you'll find what you never expected!  GW2 is the only game since probably UO that I felt really excited to explore.

4.  PvP focused.  Try to come up with the ultimate PvP build for your class...experiment with new skills and traits and then crush your opponents on the battlefield.  PvP in GW2 is almost like a whole other game...separate advancement system, separate rewards.  Ironically, GW2 PvP is actually a decent break from regular GW2 if you get bored of it :).

To OP.

1. Only small minority of gamers like pvp,so this is bad suggestion.

2.Many people feel crafting similar to working so that is bad suggestion aswell.

3.This point is valid for most people,only problem here is that you get distrubed all the time by anoying events happening all over the place.

4.Same as on point 1. All pvp focus is bad,that is obvious since all pvp focused games up to date has failed with no exeption.

It's not one of those MMO games where you grindgrindgrind to get better gear and grindgrindgrind omg I want to hit 22 so I can get that special ability! Leveling is the least of my worries in this game, hell I even go back to lower level zones to attend area events and discover locations and unlock skillpoint challenges- you gain xp for nearly everything in this game and you get nice loot when you complete the entire map objectives. I pvp alot too, mostly world vs world and I can hold my own, when my mesmer was level 22 I was caught off guard by a level 46 warrior and I beat his ass but mesmer shines more in groups.

I know there are players out there that NEED a carrot dangling in front of them to play the game and depend on the grind for rewards (part of what I hated about SWTOR's pvp grind), that's what many MMO games are like now and GW2 isn't like that.

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Originally posted by Vidir

1. Only small minority of gamers like pvp,so this is bad suggestion.

2.Many people feel crafting similar to working so that is bad suggestion aswell.

3.This point is valid for most people,only problem here is that you get distrubed all the time by anoying events happening all over the place.

4.Same as on point 1. All pvp focus is bad,that is obvious since all pvp focused games up to date has failed with no exeption.

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PVP is the main reason why GW2 is very popular, without needing to grind for days to become competitive in pvp, you can jump right in.