Originally posted by EvilGeek

 

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PvE content from 1-80 is zerg fest, period

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Let me correct that for you:

PvE content from 1-80 can feel like a zerg fest if you choose to follow the zerg.

You're statement is about your choice and not a fact.

This.  I totally avoid the zerg.  

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by vee41

I like it. It's fun and there is depth to keep me entertained. When comparing to your usual MMO combat it's heads and shoulders above others. TERA is there too, but the game did not work for me in any other way.

Of course there are games there that require more 'skill' or whatever. But in MMO genre I've yet to find as fun and engaging combat system as GW2.

Should I even bother tagging this post with big IT'S MY OPINION - tag? :)

I'm glad you like the combat in GW2 but I disagree.  To me this system is nothing more than a very basic tab to next target and kill.  The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) vice several bars full of them.  I get very bored with combat in GW2 and find no challenge to it, but that's just me.  Do I die, sure do.  Do I die a lot, no.  I usually die when I get bored and purposely get myself into situations that I know I will probably die in in an attempt to create excitement.  

Just my opinion though.  There are going to be people like you that do enjoy combat here and feel it has depth, but to me it is shallow. 

Didn't even make it past lvl 7 hmm

Actually I have.  I have 3 in the 20s.  I have an altaholic issue in this game for some reason.  

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by vee41

I like it. It's fun and there is depth to keep me entertained. When comparing to your usual MMO combat it's heads and shoulders above others. TERA is there too, but the game did not work for me in any other way.

Of course there are games there that require more 'skill' or whatever. But in MMO genre I've yet to find as fun and engaging combat system as GW2.

Should I even bother tagging this post with big IT'S MY OPINION - tag? :)

I'm glad you like the combat in GW2 but I disagree.  To me this system is nothing more than a very basic tab to next target and kill.  The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) vice several bars full of them.  I get very bored with combat in GW2 and find no challenge to it, but that's just me.  Do I die, sure do.  Do I die a lot, no.  I usually die when I get bored and purposely get myself into situations that I know I will probably die in in an attempt to create excitement.  

Just my opinion though.  There are going to be people like you that do enjoy combat here and feel it has depth, but to me it is shallow. 

Didn't even make it past lvl 7 hmm

Actually I have.  I have 3 in the 20s.  I have an altaholic issue in this game for some reason.  

lol yeah right. Just stop pretending, it's clear you didn't make it past lvl 7.

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

Hey look at that, another guy that didn't make it past lvl 7

Hey look at that, another one of those basement dwelling virgins without a life and an intelllectual capacity below a troll.

Hmm, still haven't caught on why I said lvl 7 eh? Keep at it and I might start to think you never even played the game.

Originally posted by Kenze
big time video game skillz...  i bet you can flip 2 burgers at the same time too!

That was funny.

I'm a lazy gamer so I like the 'tab' targetting and pressing #1- 9 etc.

I miss that my character can't run forward while shooting in the opposite direction.

SWG got that right.

Hit autorun + your macro and watch TV while fighting.

Good times.

Originally posted by LoverNoFighter

I'm a lazy gamer so I like the 'tab' targetting and pressing #1- 9 etc.

I miss that my character can't run forward while shooting in the opposite direction.

SWG got that right.

Hit autorun + your macro and watch TV while fighting.

Good times.

Oh I so agree, good thing you can't do that in GW2 either.

Originally posted by Dysphorick

- I don't hate or love GW2, so I am neither a troll or fanboy. I have however, been waiting for GW2 since it was announced.

The combat system can be said to be something new and a break from the stale tab targetting 12345 etc. Ultimately however, that's not true.

I find it amusing especially when someone who has utterly no clue whatsoever as to what real skill is posts something like this

 

Originally posted by chryses

I like reading people's opinions but you lost me when you said combat is 'push tab' and hit.  If you do that and not much else you die fast, a lot. 

The combat has some of the best fluid  motion, real time feel to it.  I get a buzz winning a fight I really shouldn't win, based on my skill use, dodging and terrain use. 

If you don't like it that's cool but I love the game because its not 'stand here and push tab and skillbar'

Skill in games can be classified within 3 main genres, Action/RPG, FPS and RTS:

• Reaction (All 3)
• Precision via mouse aiming and timing (FPS)
• Micromanagement (RTS or healers in the case of MMORPG raiding)
• Strategy (Planning PvP builds, planning choke points and flank positions in FPS etc. All 3)

If you want to talk about real skill in an action oriented play (in the theme of RPG), check out Dark Souls. I'm sure many have heard of it, that is real difficulty and skill.

PvE content from 1-80 is zerg fest, period. Anything else is just mindlessly running around an object or the y axis, i.e kiting. Terrain my @ss.  Real terrain usage is the likes of DotA with line of sight (fog of war), flanking, drop attacks in Dark Souls etc.  TERA is an MMORPG that has some elements of aiming and terrain there. NOT GW2.

Ultimately this game is good, but nothing fantastic as some people have been praising to the high heavens of skill based combat. Which is the point of this post. There's nothing 'revolutionary' about it nor skill based.

Combat is nothing fantastic, neither is there real skill. Stupid scrubby fanboys.

EDIT: By scrubby meaning you need to learn the definition of real skill and not follow blindly. If your opinion is that this game has actual skill such as body coordination in tightrope walking, Starcraft 2 micromanagement and intellectual strategy. Prove it.

well said OP

I wonder, why do you put so much effort and time into this thread, Dysphorick?

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Latronus

The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) 

Didn't even make it past lvl 7 hmm

Reading comprehension - 0/10.

 

To all the other angry fanboys. No, the main point isn't about the skills required in other gaming genres. I'm talking in specific to Action RPGs. It does nothing special nor revolutionary. It is neither remotely like an Action FPS as some have claimed, nor is it very far from tab targetting.

 

Aiming and dodging is minimalistic. If you have difficulties aiming your AoEs, I'm not sure if you can even play tennis (or any sports where aiming is required) because your hand eye coordination is abysmal.

lol.   You're the only 'angry' one at this point.  

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by cura

I wonder, why do you put so much effort and time into this thread, Dysphorick?

 

Because I want to like this game. But the combat is boring and a turn off. Was wondering if any can give a counterclaim. Sadly, most are just rabid fanboys with a distinct lack of education.

You can start trying to like the game by going out there and buying a copy. You did't even recognize a counter claim when you saw one. I have no time for baiters who can't even research about the game they're trying to flame, bashers had so much more class back in the days, now they don't even put in the effort.

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by cura

I wonder, why do you put so much effort and time into this thread, Dysphorick?

 

Because I want to like this game. But the combat is boring and a turn off. Was wondering if any can give a counterclaim. Sadly, most are just rabid fanboys with a distinct lack of education.

Although I don't think it would  take away your boredom with the combat,  you were given a decent reply earlier by the poster Magecard::

OP. I think you need to sit down and consider that you arguement is flawed.

The gaming industry has (you may have noticed) created genres, you stated a few in your OP, FPS, MMORPG, Platofrm.. I could go on. 

Now when someone does a review of a game or talks about a game, they use comparisons, these comparisons only really mean something when compared with games of the same are very similar genre. I could state that skill involved in playing an old school, 3 lives and its game over platform game as being way harder and skill based than lets say, call of duty MW. But what is my point here? that a game created in a different time for a different set of people is dare I say it....different?

So this brings me to GW2 - which is a MMORPG. As far as MMORPG's go there are only a couple which require more skill to master than GW2 and thousands that do not. So it this case, stating that GW2 requires skill to master and play well when compared to games of the SAME genre is a correct statement. 

OP you are the one going off topic when comparing this game to action rpgs like darksouls etc, if your going to compare across genres then nothing is going to live up to something else is it? the the graphics in GW2 are not the best ive ever seen but they are in the top 2% of mmorpgs graphics imo. but maybe only top 20% of games overall. Its called context and your posts lack it in the extreme.

PS: feel free to quote and highlight this post and comment that all my points are dumb, also feel free to not explain y (thats troll behaviour btw)

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by cura

I wonder, why do you put so much effort and time into this thread, Dysphorick?

 

Because I want to like this game. But the combat is boring and a turn off. Was wondering if any can give a counterclaim. Sadly, most are just rabid fanboys with a distinct lack of education.

You know what's even better. ArenaNet or the "rabid fanboys" never said the combat was skill based like an FPS. The only claim made, is that it is different over the "oldschool MMO". This was clear from the beginning and could easily be seen just by doing some research.

Amazing thread.

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by causs

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by cura

I wonder, why do you put so much effort and time into this thread, Dysphorick?

 

Because I want to like this game. But the combat is boring and a turn off. Was wondering if any can give a counterclaim. Sadly, most are just rabid fanboys with a distinct lack of education.

You know what's even better. ArenaNet or the "rabid fanboys" never said the combat was skill based like an FPS. The only claim made, is that it is different over the "oldschool MMO". This was clear from the beginning and could easily be seen just by doing some research.

Amazing thread.

I never said ArenaNet claimed so. Only the "rabid fanboys". Read the first post quote..

Here, I'd do it for you since you can't read properly.

 

I find it amusing especially when someone who has utterly no clue whatsoever as to what real skill is posts something like this

Originally posted by chryses

I like reading people's opinions but you lost me when you said combat is 'push tab' and hit.  If you do that and not much else you die fast, a lot. 

The combat has some of the best fluid  motion, real time feel to it.  I get a buzz winning a fight I really shouldn't win, based on my skill use, dodging and terrain use. 

If you don't like it that's cool but I love the game because its not 'stand here and push tab and skillbar'

Amazing post.

 

What Chryses says is true in the way that you can't just stand there and push tab and skillbar. I would love to ask you for a 1 vs. 1 or a 5 vs. 5 and you don't use dodge, just stand and spam 1 2 3 4 5. Coming from League of Legends, I enjoy the combat of GW2 a lot over the usual MMORPG, because there is a lot of movement and thought involved.

I do agree some DEs tend to get a zergfest due to the number of players. This also counts for WvWvW.

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

You can start trying to like the game by going out there and buying a copy. You did't even recognize a counter claim when you saw one. I have no time for baiters who can't even research about the game they're trying to flame, bashers had so much more class back in the days, now they don't even put in the effort.

http://i49.tinypic.com/e96on9.png

Nuff' said. Dumb Aussie is dumb. IMO Australia shouldn't even exist. Bunch of convict immigrants.

Wow, way to go with the insults dude.

Now, since you keep saying you've played the game, how about you give another go at why this statement is wrong "The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) "

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

You can start trying to like the game by going out there and buying a copy. You did't even recognize a counter claim when you saw one. I have no time for baiters who can't even research about the game they're trying to flame, bashers had so much more class back in the days, now they don't even put in the effort.

http://i49.tinypic.com/e96on9.png

Nuff' said. Dumb Aussie is dumb. IMO Australia shouldn't even exist. Bunch of convict immigrants.

Wow, way to go with the insults dude.

Now, since you keep saying you've played the game, how about you give another go at why this statement is wrong "The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) "

He didn't post the sentence you quoted. You are thinking of another forum user.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

You can start trying to like the game by going out there and buying a copy. You did't even recognize a counter claim when you saw one. I have no time for baiters who can't even research about the game they're trying to flame, bashers had so much more class back in the days, now they don't even put in the effort.

http://i49.tinypic.com/e96on9.png

Nuff' said. Dumb Aussie is dumb. IMO Australia shouldn't even exist. Bunch of convict immigrants.

Wow, way to go with the insults dude.

Now, since you keep saying you've played the game, how about you give another go at why this statement is wrong "The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) "

He didn't post the sentence you quoted. You are thinking of another forum user.

No, he just said I failed reading comprehension when I called the original guy out.

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Latronus

The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) 

Didn't even make it past lvl 7 hmm

Reading comprehension - 0/10.

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

You can start trying to like the game by going out there and buying a copy. You did't even recognize a counter claim when you saw one. I have no time for baiters who can't even research about the game they're trying to flame, bashers had so much more class back in the days, now they don't even put in the effort.

http://i49.tinypic.com/e96on9.png

Nuff' said. Dumb Aussie is dumb. IMO Australia shouldn't even exist. Bunch of convict immigrants.

Wow, way to go with the insults dude.

Now, since you keep saying you've played the game, how about you give another go at why this statement is wrong "The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) "

He didn't post the sentence you quoted. You are thinking of another forum user.

No, he just said I had reading comprehension when I called the original guy out.

 

Originally posted by Dysphorick

Originally posted by meari

Originally posted by Latronus

The only difference I see is there are only 5 combat abilities (not counting the utility abilities) 

Didn't even make it past lvl 7 hmm

Reading comprehension - 0/10.

 

So then you should ask him why he thought you had lacking reading comprehension rather than asking him why the other sentence is wrong.