I really think the only thing this proves is that SWG should have at least been given the chance to try a F2P option before being shuttered. 

We know that LA did not want it around anymore so that probably never would have been an option.

Good lord.  How many more threads from the nge leftovers on this subject do we need?  Get over it and move on (sound familiar?).

However, I'll play your game.  The only way, for me, that swg might be considered better would be the pre-nge version.  Anything after that and SWTOR wins.  The nge version of swg was a pile of garbage.  I'd rather play some random Asian grinder from now until the end of time than nge swg.

I liked SWG more but I'm not convinced it was a better game. I don't think this proves anything other than a failure on EA / Biowares part.

As for why SWTOR failed, and I think we can now all agree it was a failure since the EA CEO believes it is, it failed because the guys in charge made bad decisions... End of story.

I do believe that if the game was a smash it would have destroyed WOW. The market is waiting on that next gen mmo, maybe the unreal engine 4 can make that happen.

Originally posted by Xobdnas

Title says it all. SWTOR killed 8 years of memories because it was greedy, and it couldn't last more than 8 months, just sad. If they made the themepark/sandbox hybrid we all asked for instead of VO without gameplay we would all be talking about how WOW is going FTP.

Galaxies was a VASTLY better mmo; not an opinion when its empirical.

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Xobdnas

Title says it all. SWTOR killed 8 years of memories because it was greedy, and it couldn't last more than 8 months, just sad. If they made the themepark/sandbox hybrid we all asked for instead of VO without gameplay we would all be talking about how WOW is going FTP.

I voted No.

 

Why?

 

because SWTOR was overhyped by the community, not developers. And many people got this game for the wrong reasons (nothing gameplay related)

 

This is why this game seem like fail to the masses.

It was made for the masses. It was budgeted to be a HUGE hit. In this day and age and the amount of people who play MMO's ... it lasted 8 months and is now F2P is an absolute joke.

64% of voters are idiots.  It proves nothing,  SWTOR still has more subs than SWG had at its peak.  SWG may or may not be the better game, but anyone who thinks this is proof has some seriously faulty logic skills.

Oh without a doubt.

EA lost money on SWTOR.

SoE made money on SWG.

Though sales does not necessarily equate to quality. But no one likes SWTOR. No one defends it.

People LOVE SWG.

Originally posted by teakbois

64% of voters are idiots.  It proves nothing,  SWTOR still has more subs than SWG had at its peak.  SWG may or may not be the better game, but anyone who thinks this is proof has some seriously faulty logic skills.

Uhh... SWG retained lots of subs over years.

SWTOR has already lost 70% of its subscribers, and they haven't made back the 300 million it cost to make the game.

I think it proves that basing a game off of Star Wars isn't a sure fire way to "win".

Neither game achieved the goals the developers set, and neither game did as well as the people playing the games wanted. Both games were sub-par, I'm not sure why anyone would want to pick the better sub-par game.

So...nothing is proven.

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Except maybe the SW IP will get you sales, and that's it.

Originally posted by lizardbones

I think it proves that basing a game off of Star Wars isn't a sure fire way to "win".

Neither game achieved the goals the developers set, and neither game did as well as the people playing the games wanted. Both games were sub-par, I'm not sure why anyone would want to pick the better sub-par game.

So...nothing is proven.

** edit **
Except maybe the SW IP will get you sales, and that's it.

Uh... SWG wasn't sub par. And it exceeded what the devs wanted.

The only reason it didn't "win" was because of the NGE and the dumb Jedi system.

Originally posted by teakbois

64% of voters are idiots.  It proves nothing,  SWTOR still has more subs than SWG had at its peak.  SWG may or may not be the better game, but anyone who thinks this is proof has some seriously faulty logic skills.

Actually, generally speaking, the people that are still in TOR and played and had the purview of SWG, represent some of the lowest common denominators.

Galaxies was on such a higher level that no possibility of concomitanty exists. Galaxies was player centric, TOR is dollar centric.

TOR represents an insult ot its own players, and I truly feel bad for the people that do not "get it". TOR was simply designed to be a cash-cow, and LA & Bio gave a perfect example of what they actually thought of their own players. As far as I am concerned SOE is fully redeemed. All of SOEs problems in galaxies came, for the most part, from LA -- we know this now...

SOE cared about what you thought;  LA, BIO and EA only cared about how to get zombies to shell out greenbacks.

End of story...

SW:TOR was, like GW2, a great game while the storyline lasted. Then it got shelved. Like 99% of my other games, really. 

Still well worth the cash. So no, SWG wasn't the better game. It was just the one with a community so small and a budget so low that nobody cared to shoot it down.

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

Originally posted by teakbois

64% of voters are idiots.  It proves nothing,  SWTOR still has more subs than SWG had at its peak.  SWG may or may not be the better game, but anyone who thinks this is proof has some seriously faulty logic skills.

 

Actually, generally speaking, the people that are still in TOR and played and had the purview of SWG, represent some of the lowest common denominators.

I met some of the biggest asshats ever when I played SWG. They were usually jedi who didn't like being hunted. Sorry, but in my experience both game's playerbase was about the same. You had some cool people and you had some idiots. 

 Galaxies was on such a higher level that no possibility of concomitanty exists. Galaxies was player centric, TOR is dollar centric.

Yeah, SOE didn't care about the dollars. And if you believe that I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you. 

 

TOR represents an insult ot its own players, and I truly feel bad for the people that do not "get it".

So the people that enjoy the game don't get it? No, they play the game because they like it. You didn't like it and that's fine. But enough with the insults. It doesn't help your argument. 

TOR was simply designed to be a cash-cow, and LA & Bio gave a perfect example of what they actually thought of their own players. As far as I am concerned SOE is fully redeemed. All of SOEs problems in galaxies came, for the most part, from LA -- we know this now...

 SOE cared about what you thought;  LA, BIO and EA only cared about how to get zombies to shell out greenbacks.

 Biggest laugh I have ever had on these forums. And that is saying something because I've been here for six years. Sorry, but I was there and know better. SOE is a crap company and the majority of people who have experienced them first hand feels the same way. 

@OP- IMO both game s were good.  They had their strengths and they had their weaknesses. TOR was never meant to be another SWG and anyone buying it for that reason were bound to be let down.  There is no proving that one is better than the other because it's all opinion and you can't prove an opinion. 

Originally posted by Oberholzer
It would still be alive I'd think if more of its fans played instead of just posting on forums how it's the greatest game ever. Just my two cents. 

Well, strictly speaking, original SWG was probably the best designed MMO of all time, in terms of creating a world for the players to live and play in.

Most choice, choice of player activities and choices of character builds and choice of play style.

That said, SOE did a very, very poor job in managing on-going development for the game, and then ended up lobotomizing the game with a shovel, twice.

To my mind, this was a failure of game management and not of the game. Had the game been managed well, it could have been the "other EvE", with solid longterm numbers and cashflow.

Instead, we got Smed.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

 

 SOE cared about what you thought;  LA, BIO and EA only cared about how to get zombies to shell out greenbacks.

 Biggest laugh I have ever had on these forums. And that is saying something because I've been here for six years. Sorry, but I was there and know better. SOE is a crap company and the majority of people who have experienced them first hand feels the same way. 

 

QFE on that bit.

SOE never, ever gave a shit about their longterm customers. The infamous Rubenfeld "om-nom-nom" blog makes it perfectly clear what SOE thought about its customers.

No one I know that was a SWG player will ever play another SOE title.

Originally posted by Burntvet

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

 

 SOE cared about what you thought;  LA, BIO and EA only cared about how to get zombies to shell out greenbacks.

 Biggest laugh I have ever had on these forums. And that is saying something because I've been here for six years. Sorry, but I was there and know better. SOE is a crap company and the majority of people who have experienced them first hand feels the same way. 

 

QFE on that bit.

SOE never, ever gave a shit about their longterm customers. The infamous Rubenfeld "om-nom-nom" blog makes it perfectly clear what SOE thought about its customers.

No one I know that was a SWG player will ever play another SOE title.

 

Well I don't believe that statment either I play eq2 ever day, and yes I was bitter about SWG had been since the nge, but in the end EQ2 is a much better game than most of the crud we have for games nowday.  There are a lot of swg folks I know that currently play eq2.  So saying that nobody you know that played swg would never buy another soe title is painting with a big brush, and it is simply not true.