Originally posted by VikingGamer

Originally posted by spizz

Actually I complain that you can down a fully defensive class in 2-3 seconds, yes...even they are two players. So yes I have a different opinion here. It is a problem with gameplay since no other class can do it that fast, you just hop from one player to the next...how is this balanced. This is bullshit.

A fully defensive class? as in a Tank? You know where I am going with this right? No class, even if it is build to be defensive is intended to simply soak damagae. That is what anet means when they say there are no tanks. If you get caught and locked down by any two other players you are going to drop fast. The only way to last longer than 3 seconds is to keep moving, a lot.

No build of any class is intended to simply soak up damage for longer than a few seconds.

Err, ever played a defensive guardian or warrior build? Heck, even an elementalist with a healing build.
You definitely should last more than a few seconds against 2 players with those if you know what you're doing (or even against much larger numbers).

Not saying thief burst is OP, but the "2 players should always win" argument only holds water if those two players know how to play and how to coordinate. And even then things like cooldowns might end up turning the tables.

Raging about the Thief is somewhat absurd.

 Just about every high dps ability for a Thief is gimicky, Pistol Whip, Heartseeker, Unload. To do burst damage you have to use haste, otherwise the target gets away easily. Which basically means that during your cooldowns you are subpar to pretty much everyone else on the battlefield.

If you want these gimicky abilities fixed, just ask Arenanet to make them less gimicky. Trust me when I say the majority of thieves would gladly take a small dps knock ( even though thats not nessecary at this point ) for better "burst" skills. I love the damage of Pistol Whip, but the associated abilties on the weapon bar that accompany it are subpar. Pistol/Pistol is an incredibly boring weaponset. Dagger/Dagger is the last bastion of engaging Thief play, they can't nerf the damage of heartseeker without increasing it somewhere else on the line. Heartseeker and Throw Dagger being our highest damage attacks outside of stealth with Daggers.

Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

Originally posted by VikingGamer

Originally posted by spizz

Actually I complain that you can down a fully defensive class in 2-3 seconds, yes...even they are two players. So yes I have a different opinion here. It is a problem with gameplay since no other class can do it that fast, you just hop from one player to the next...how is this balanced. This is bullshit.

A fully defensive class? as in a Tank? You know where I am going with this right? No class, even if it is build to be defensive is intended to simply soak damagae. That is what anet means when they say there are no tanks. If you get caught and locked down by any two other players you are going to drop fast. The only way to last longer than 3 seconds is to keep moving, a lot.

No build of any class is intended to simply soak up damage for longer than a few seconds.

Err, ever played a defensive guardian or warrior build? Heck, even an elementalist with a healing build.
You definitely should last more than a few seconds against 2 players with those if you know what you're doing (or even against much larger numbers).

Not saying thief burst is OP, but the "2 players should always win" argument only holds water if those two players know how to play and how to coordinate. And even then things like cooldowns might end up turning the tables.

 Here's the thing... and you all can message me if you want me to prove it... but a tank specced guardian WILL NOT die in 2 seconds to anything short of a full on zerg or coordinated group..

The guardian has too many ways and forcing people away or flat negating damage.  I've survived as a lvl 30 guardian against multiple thieves and masses of people.. (I play like a combat medic so when I say i can last longer than 2 seconds I've done it many many times).

Two observations:

PvP in GW1 was balanced monthly.  Abilities can be set to  work differently in PvP vs PvE.

Right now the range of player skill is huge, so it is hard to judge whether a class is weak or just that particular player.

Wait.... how does anyone die in 2 sec that's not just standing there?

New patch today, 09.14.2012 and a message to the "l2p" crowd:

Thief Class changes:

Heartseeker: Reduced damage of the 100%-50% threshold by 20%. Damage thresholds changed. Old: 100%-66%, 66%-33%, 33%-0%. New: 100%-50%, 50%-25%, 25%-0%.

Faster than I thought, but this was obvious to those who have a certain pvp game expirience in the last years and tried all classes in GW2.

Originally posted by Naevius

Two observations:

PvP in GW1 was balanced monthly.  Abilities can be set to  work differently in PvP vs PvE.

Right now the range of player skill is huge, so it is hard to judge whether a class is weak or just that particular player.