Originally posted by Odhelm

The fact that Square Enix is taking this in there own hands makes a hugh difference! The graphic engine is new, the combat system is new, the crafting system is new(simplafied not new), added classes, jobs and races(There are the same races that was had at the begining Making them black does not mean they are a new race.), completly new made world(Just new engine with map shaping to remove copy-pasta terreain that no one has seen or tested.), lvling system is new, the story is new! Hell what isn't new with this game??

And the only reason that it isn't released as a totaly new game is becouse SE feel like they OWE to the players to make up for there earlier failure! They are printing ARR like it's a new game to bring out to the retailers, and the old ones are thrown away. They could just as easily just put Final Fantasy XV at the lable and pissed off every fan out there.. but they didnt! This is a new game!
 

I forgot.. the UI is totaly awsome and new to! ;)

Most of what you listed is mostly speculation. The graphics are new because it wouldn't work for the console they made it for? It still has all the same quest arch-types to lvl as it did before.

With the 90% stock drop that made them apologize, they didn't feel like they owed the players they knew if they didn't the wouldn't have a buisness anymore. 

I cannot even begin to even think that you are serious about most of your post

WADA WAS IN CONTROL OF THE FIRST FF14 DEVELOPMENT HE STILL IS. ALL FF'S HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FAILURES IN THE EYES OF SUARE ENIX THEMSELVES.

Wada’s statement indicates that Square recognizes that even its own internal teams have failed to match the high bar set by Final Fantasy VII back in 1997.

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/square-enix-no-final-fantasy-vii-hd-remake-until-weve-made-a-game-better-than-final-fantasy-vii/#ixzz24dnwqaP9

Originally posted by Weretigar

 

Most of what you listed is mostly speculation. The graphics are new because it wouldn't work for the console they made it for? It still has all the same quest arch-types to lvl as it did before.

With the 90% stock drop that made them apologize, they didn't feel like they owed the players they knew if they didn't the wouldn't have a buisness anymore. 

I cannot even begin to even think that you are serious about most of your post

WADA WAS IN CONTROL OF THE FIRST FF14 DEVELOPMENT HE STILL IS. ALL FF'S HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FAILURES IN THE EYES OF SUARE ENIX THEMSELVES.

Wada’s statement indicates that Square recognizes that even its own internal teams have failed to match the high bar set by Final Fantasy VII back in 1997.

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/square-enix-no-final-fantasy-vii-hd-remake-until-weve-made-a-game-better-than-final-fantasy-vii/#ixzz24dnwqaP9

Now you just critizing for the sake of it.

Yoshida himself said that they doing this becouse they made some promises to the players that wasen't keept. Is it an apology or that they owe it? Sounds the same to me...

Of course Wada is in controll, his the president of the whole company! Of course he has the finale word but I dont think he's that involed in the development process.. there a lot of other thinks to keep track of in a company like Square Enix if you are the president.

Originally posted by Ikeda

And don't misunderstand me....

I'm not saying that what SE is doing isn't incredible.  It takes something serious to ADMIT that everything they did was completely wrong.  It takes BIGGER cahones to say we're going to completely scrap everything we did and start over.

But at the end of the day, what is the delivery platform?

To play ARR, do you need to go buy a new box if you own FFXIV? No.

To play ARR, do you need to buy an expansion box in addition to FFXIV?  No.

Do you need to run an updater via FFXIV client?  Yes.

I get that the word patch doesn't necessarily cover the scope of what they are doing but it really is just a patch.  A massive, awesome, updating patch.  But it is what it is.

A patch that releases a completely new engine and server structure?

Originally posted by Mannish
This is a new game. Its not a patch or an update. Everything has been redone in Final Fantasy XIV Reborn. It needs its own forum.

If MMORPG.Com adds non  mmo games or addons(Day-z and Diablo3) I'm sure they can make a new forum for a new MMO game..

I had 100% completey given up on this game after playing at launch. I bought the CE too. But it's now back on my radar.  Lets hope for the best!

Maybe these forums should bundle all the OLD threads into a Pre-2.0 section so the game can be discused fresh?

Originally posted by Odhelm

Originally posted by Hyanmen

 

They "sacked" the management, and the chinese company tidbit is just pure nonsense. It was 95% in-house and most people working on 2.0 were working on 1.0.

Have you even looked at the CREDITS of both games? Developed by the same people, only management and development procedures have changed.

"..decided that the most viable step was to approach improvements under new leadership and with a restructured team." - Wada

Managerial Changes

Producer/Director
Naoki Yoshida

Section Leader Changes

Assistant Director
Shintaro Tamai (FINAL FANTASY X, Front Mission 5: Scars of the War)

Lead Game Designer
Nobuaki Komoto (FINAL FANTASY IX, FINAL FANTASY XI)

Lead Combat System Designer
Akihiko Matsui (FINAL FANTASY XI)

Technical Advisor
Yoshihisa Hashimoto (Next Generation Game Engine Development)

Lead Programmer
Hideyuki Kasuga (FINAL FANTASY XI, DIRGE OF CERBERUS -FINAL FANTASY VII-)

Senior Concept Artist
Akihiko Yoshida (FINAL FANTASY XII, Vagrant Story)

Lead Artist
Hiroshi Takai (FINAL FANTASY XI, THE LAST REMNANT)

Lead UI Designer/Lead Web Designer
Hiroshi Minagawa (FINAL FANTASY XII, Vagrant Story)
 

Seems like they have totaly changed management and done something with the devlopment teams.. we dont know what they mean with "restructed"? Anyhow.. Im happy with so many managers from FFXI! That can only be good ^^

Ugh it totally makes me sad that you have to be a racist and say things like "scrapped the entire chinese team"

You do realize the origional design team is the same guys who made Final Fantasy 11?

You are extremely out of touch and borderline racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiromichi_Tanaka

I agree. The game should get a brand new forum. Keep the old one for archiving purposes. To be more honest, I hope that the team at MMORPG.com is able (hopefully) through contacts; to get access to the Alpha. Even better, maybe they can get an interview set up in regards to a Realm Reborn. If that ends up being the title, I do think it should get a brand new forum, including the reasons listed above.

I would say that close to 100% of the game has "probably" been changed somehow. Tying it to the old forums would make little sense since the majority of the mechanics, gameplay, features, and environment are going to be radically different. I would also say add it to avoid any confusion between the two. Leaving it as is might lead people to believe that the game only got a "moderate" update.

Anyone playing can see that 2.0 is a different game, the whole world is being redone from scratch. New Title, new maps, new engine, new servers, new UI, new battle system, new system requirements, new classes, TONS of new features, classic MMO controls. There was not 1 thing in the game left untouched.

This is above and beond a remake, the forums, reviews, system requirements, and all of  info on the current title will all be outdated.

You say they are going to make a completely new mmo in one year? A process that usually takes around 4-5? And we should be hyped about it? 

" Weve got good and bad news for you , sir. The bad news is that you have apendicitis. The good one is that your surgeon is so brilliant that he got his medical license in just one year of study. Arent you happy about that?"

Originally posted by Odhelm

Originally posted by Soaapy

Yeah, it should be classified as a new game and hyped as such. Check this out..........

The question is when MMORPG.COM will realize this! Wholesalers removing the old game's from the shelves as we speak .. I just think it's a shame that mmorpg.com do not give A Realm Reborn the same conditions as other games, where the hype in it self generate publicity!

While I agree that 2.0 should be classified as its own game on here, this statement is just silly. FF14 has had 'the same condiitions as other games' because no other games got a free hype / rating reset even after expansions or major changes, it was up to the individual rater to go and change their rating.

Also, who gives a crap about hype? If SquareEnix do it properly this time the game will speak for itself.