Still hold my sub for TSW and will continue to do so . Even if only play a few hours a weekly , £3 per week is cheap for any entertainment 

Few games on the horizon .. WarZ (B2P), PS2 , WoD all might get a look in .. Also Lotro Expack due in Oct 

I'm not denying Gw2 isn't a good game but I think it's come at a time when the player base is very fickle and a lot of people will stop playing it for great lengths of time due to new games being released 

Those who voted No never belonged in the MMORPG space to begin with, so perhaps we'll soon see their exodus, leaving the genre to the rest of us.

Currently paying for 3 subs in MMO's that offer features that GW2 is sorely lacking in.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Those who voted No never belonged in the MMORPG space to begin with, so perhaps we'll soon see their exodus, leaving the genre to the rest of us.

Currently paying for 3 subs in MMO's that offer features that GW2 is sorely lacking in.

 

Fun, non-zerg gameplay?

It all depends on the service.  A better question would be: Is Arena-net's service better than a subscription based game?

You have to compare the updates, support team, etc.  of both models.

Originally posted by Yaoiman

Yes, the $15 a month is paying for new content, and access to the full game. A sub is basically a guarantee of new content every few months.

 

An in game cash shop can only make money if people are buying, and GW2 has a terrible cash shop. I was planning to spend a ton of cash on it, but then I found out it's a bunch of one use crap and the armor skins (Which I bought all of in GW1 and loved) require you to buy other items from the cash shop to even wear. None of it is worth real money, and I can't imagine anyone with a fully functioning brain would buy anything from it with real money.

This is not true at all.  There is no guarantee of this.  In fact, WoW and Swtor have updates very sparsely now.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Those who voted No never belonged in the MMORPG space to begin with, so perhaps we'll soon see their exodus, leaving the genre to the rest of us.

Currently paying for 3 subs in MMO's that offer features that GW2 is sorely lacking in.

 

The problem is that space you talk about peaked with everquest.

Than you have the WoW space, that overlap somewhat with the previous space.

Hopefully GW2 will/is open/opening the MMORPG genre to the gamers market.

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Yaoiman

Yes, the $15 a month is paying for new content, and access to the full game. A sub is basically a guarantee of new content every few months.

 

An in game cash shop can only make money if people are buying, and GW2 has a terrible cash shop. I was planning to spend a ton of cash on it, but then I found out it's a bunch of one use crap and the armor skins (Which I bought all of in GW1 and loved) require you to buy other items from the cash shop to even wear. None of it is worth real money, and I can't imagine anyone with a fully functioning brain would buy anything from it with real money.

This is not true at all.  There is no guarantee of this.  In fact, WoW and Swtor have updates very sparsely now.

WoW just had a major update, though it's been a while because of the pre-xpac drought that it always has, and EA / BioWare runs TOR, so bad buisness is to be expected.

Since it's F2P it's not going to change which MMOs I am subbed to.  WoW and Rift.  I still have founder pricing in Rift and don't ever see me quiting anytime soon.  It has a good roleplay community.  WoW I'll probably never quit either, Blizzard will have to kick me out or shut down the servers lol.

Both subs only cost me about $17 a month.  2 games for the price of one almost.  It pays to buy a year at a time, and have founder pricing :)

Originally posted by Psychow

Originally posted by Kyleran

Those who voted No never belonged in the MMORPG space to begin with, so perhaps we'll soon see their exodus, leaving the genre to the rest of us.

Currently paying for 3 subs in MMO's that offer features that GW2 is sorely lacking in.

 

 

Fun, non-zerg gameplay?

Fun is subjective of course, and non -zerg, who ever said that was desireable?

But no, I'm looking for MMO's which are more about long term territory control and resource denial, and have near endless character progression (in terms of power).

GW2 had nothing like that really, which is fine, but not for me.

I have a Rift sub which I will keep, then I'll probably resub to WoW for a couple of months for Pandas.

Of course, that doesn't count the non-MMO games I'll buy (AC3, Torchlight, etc.) Any sub game is a good value compared to a non-MMO.

Originally posted by Rohn

B2P appears to have become a built-in excuse for a lack of meaningful content at endgame, horrible customer service, broken systems, and a general lack of player longevity.

Of course there are games worth a sub.

TSW is worth a sub.

EvE is worth a sub.

There are many others.

I rather just "Buy it, play it, and forget it". No wondering if  I forget to unsubscribe because I haven't play it in a while. No fuss no muss just like the games of old. Get back to it when I want to and don't have give out ANY credit card info.

To me another  valid question is : Even without a sub, is GW2 worth the box price ?

And my answer still is : NO, not even close.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Those who voted No never belonged in the MMORPG space to begin with, so perhaps we'll soon see their exodus, leaving the genre to the rest of us.

Currently paying for 3 subs in MMO's that offer features that GW2 is sorely lacking in.

 

I can't help but agree.

Originally posted by Yaoiman

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Yaoiman

Yes, the $15 a month is paying for new content, and access to the full game. A sub is basically a guarantee of new content every few months.

 

An in game cash shop can only make money if people are buying, and GW2 has a terrible cash shop. I was planning to spend a ton of cash on it, but then I found out it's a bunch of one use crap and the armor skins (Which I bought all of in GW1 and loved) require you to buy other items from the cash shop to even wear. None of it is worth real money, and I can't imagine anyone with a fully functioning brain would buy anything from it with real money.

This is not true at all.  There is no guarantee of this.  In fact, WoW and Swtor have updates very sparsely now.

WoW just had a major update, though it's been a while because of the pre-xpac drought that it always has, and EA / BioWare runs TOR, so bad buisness is to be expected.

Problem is WoW is nearly the only one, and it certainly doesnt cost them anywhere near the billions of dollars theyre making each year to come up with those content patches.

Aside from a few games like WoW and EVE, a sub is a guarantee of nothing. The majority of games only release new content in the form of expansions, and there is a low number of games that offer even that much. Much of the market out there hasnt even had a decent patch that did anything besides fix a few bugs in a long time. Just look at WAR. The only content addition has been LoTD which was added IIRC nearly 3 years ago (not very long after launch). Since then theyve actually removed content from the game, or either admitted they stopped working on X feature but "We promise new (insert feature) improvements and drastic changes are coming" only to never be seen. Unfortunately thats kind of the norm with most devs.