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  atticusbc

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Joined: 9/22/07
Posts: 1067

I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

9/03/12 11:33:28 AM#81
not me, that's for sure. but that's just because i wasn't wrong. sorry it didn't work out for you though.
  RelGn

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Joined: 3/30/05
Posts: 515

9/03/12 11:33:55 AM#82
Originally posted by gravesworn
I guess I just dont understand what people were expecting. It is a great game and there are elements that go beyond most mmos but I dont know if there is much any developer can do to really make a ground breaking Theme Park. I mean you can make AI behave in semi random behavior pattern..but lets be honest. We have had old school sandbox games in the past. We have had the themepark run. Really the only place left to go for mmos is a super hybrid. Having a complete sandbox game but add theme park encounters in it. I am happy with guild wars 2 but i do not find it to be an game to end all games. It may be around awhile but I doubt to the end all praise as so many had wanted.

Thats what i m thinking

  paulocafalli

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Joined: 11/11/05
Posts: 258

9/03/12 11:39:40 AM#83

It's amazing how ppl are still looking for "The Next Big Thing", the "Perfect Game". Please wake up, if you put these kind of expectations on any game you most likely is going to be always disapointed.

Is GW2 perfect? Of course not! Are there things I would add or cnage? Of coursde yes!

But still, for me, it's a great game! It's fun, it has great graphics, great character creation, the story is interesting, I like the mechanics, the music,  the open world, the cities. I am having fun!

I feel sorry for those who expected something revolutionary because it is not, it's just one very good game. Try to have fun like most of us, come on.

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  Connmacart

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Joined: 2/24/12
Posts: 693

9/03/12 11:40:17 AM#84
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Storman1977

OP, I really couldn't care less about GW2.  It looks nice, and apparently has a huge number of fans.  I wish the game all the success in the world.  I will probably not ever play it, it's just not my cup of tea. 

But, right now, all people are asking for is proof that you participated in the "fanboism" of the game.  As it is right now, for all we know, you are just another "hater" pretending to be a "fanboi apologist."  Your account here is less than a week old and under 20 posts, you're an unknown entity.  This is still the internet, bub.  Even widely excepted truth is looked at with skeptisism.  So some schmuck offering up apologies for actions he/she may or may not have done, without proof, comes off entirely disingenuous.

But that in and of itself is the beauty of god's design.  The people that would accept my apology are the ones I am apologizing to, the people that will throw out personal attacks, I don't care about them. 

Which makes you an unrepented sinner, but hey have fun with that and the burning that will happen afterwards.

  VirusDancer

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Joined: 11/18/04
Posts: 3684

Heroes are about character - not gear.

9/03/12 11:40:55 AM#85

Originally posted by gravesworn
I guess I just dont understand what people were expecting.

That's the rub of it, no?  Different people had different expectations.  Different people experienced different results based on those different expectations.  If somebody expected X, but got Y - and Y < X - well, then they're not going to be happy.  If somebody expected Y and got Y, well - they're going to be fine, right?  Somebody might have expected Z, but gotten Y - where Y > Z; and they could have been pleasantly surprised.  It's that simple in many cases.

Subjective expectations.  Subjective experiences.  Subjective opinions.

Yet there's the need to prove somebody wrong or somebody else right?

Mind boggling...

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  Slampig

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Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 2389

Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

9/03/12 11:43:13 AM#86
Originally posted by caetftl

There were a lot of trolls on the gw2 fansite forums, there were a lot of "haters" but there were also a lot of people that seem to have been extremely accurate about how gw2 would turn out, who were also lumped in with the trolls and haters because we were biased.

 

Let me be the first to apologize... I was one of those fanbois that would defend the game and assumed everything would be really amazing because it is 2012.  Now I feel so silly reflecting on all the past conversations I had.

 

I remember one fellow sharing his concerns about wvw lag, performance issues in large groups, class mechanics and how the new trinity wasn't any better, and how the game had no truly challenging end game.  I just assumed anet had enough savvy to completely avoid such flaws, but the game I got was really simplistic.  I honestly don't know how it took so long to create a game with so little substance. 

 

I still play it, albeit casually, and the game isn't hard to stomache or anything, but it definitely isn't that groundbreaking MMO that was going to set the new standard, that many of us swore it would be. 

 

 

I think you ARE the first! everyone else is still waiting around with their pitchforks and torches to march on the unbelievers...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Storman1977

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Joined: 5/06/06
Posts: 203

9/03/12 11:43:29 AM#87
Cae, I'm a rational empiricist.  I can not and do not accept blind faith.  You can and do, good for you.  To expect it of others may be a direct result of your reliance on religion, but it is also an excercise in futility.  Especially on the internet.  Why should someone/anyone except what could be a false apology?  As it is, I've seen no proof of wrong doing.  So, either you have no reason to apologize, or you're trying to get attention.  Without proof of the wrong doing you're apologizing for; we can only surmise, from the information available, that you are merely seeking attention.  

  User Deleted
9/03/12 11:45:09 AM#88
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by kertin
I was troll but everything I said even thanks to "trolling" is true! I gave GW2 two months until ppl ll find out its not as good as you thought. And now I can say that some of you ralised it sooner than I expected. My true opinions about GW2  cost me few warnings and two bans tbh^^

I don't really see why people troll for the sake of trolling, but I do find it interesting that sometimes the trolls see things more clearly than the anti-trolls.

That's because you, like a lot of people, don't understand what trolling is or what it isn't.  The term became popular despite it's actual meaning and used for things that are not trolling.  Saying "trolls see things more clearly than the anti-trolls" shows that you, like tons of others, call anything you don't agree with trolling.

  Hocrsmart

Novice Member

Joined: 8/04/12
Posts: 2

9/03/12 11:48:28 AM#89

This game was vastly overhyped. I think anet was too concerned about pleasing their fanboys than making a great game. So far, its a good game with some nice changes but most of the game is a perfect example of what happens when you let players who have no idea how to make a video game dictate how to make a video game. 

"Oh you guys are sick of the trinity? Alright lets make dungeons a total wipefest."

"Oh you guys want skill based combat? Here, put on a weapon and the game tells you what to do. Also heres two dodges and one heal."

  grimm6th

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Joined: 10/22/10
Posts: 978

9/03/12 11:48:38 AM#90
Originally posted by caetftl

This thread isn't for people who are tossing out personal attacks at me just because I stopped being a fanboi... This is to apologize to the people that I once judged unfairly when they were much more objective than me. 

 

If you really feel the need to try and assassinate my character just because I no longer blindly love the game as you do... go ahead, but it just makes you look as silly as I once did. 

Example of a personal attack: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smellt of elder berries."

What is happening here: we are bringing up the fact that none of your claims about being a fanboy in the past can be shown.  If you do have a posting history, it isn't here, so why not link some of your mistaken claims to show us HOW you were wrong, break down these "past conversations" and dissect your wrongdoing.  It would give you the credibility we say you are lacking.

It appears to me that, of the ways that you can gain credibilty, "look, my post count is bigger than yours" don't seem to appeal to you, and saying things with lots of objective information (links, posting history, comparison charts of false claims and actual results) doesn't seem to be in your style.  Maybe try using some other method (this might help a bit).

 

Now, in fairness, my opinions are all completely moot, as forums are completely devoid of any requirement for facts, credibility, listening to what others say, or rational responses.  I guess it is up to other posters to call offenders out on these things...

 

 

Lastly, I certainly am not going to admit to being wrong about this game.  I enjoy the game immensely.  To me, that is what matters.

I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.

  VirusDancer

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Joined: 11/18/04
Posts: 3684

Heroes are about character - not gear.

9/03/12 11:51:27 AM#91
Originally posted by paroxysm

That's because you, like a lot of people, don't understand what trolling is or what it isn't.  The term became popular despite it's actual meaning and used for things that are not trolling.  Saying "trolls see things more clearly than the anti-trolls" shows that you, like tons of others, call anything you don't agree with trolling.

Yep, that's another fun one in discussions about games (and it's spread all over the place, to be honest).  If somebody disagrees with you (not you, paroxysm - just one of those general "you" things) - there's no possibility that there could be any validity to what they're saying; even if it's a case of it being an obviously subjective difference where they're sharing their feelings on a matter (looking at a picture of a kitten - one person might get all warm and gushy while another remembers their kitten that died; so they feel sad)...if the other person does not agree, they must be trolling.

All those Republicans be trolling the Democrats, man...they be trolling.  Or was it the Democrats that are trolling the Republicans?  They be trolling each other, and if you disagree with what I say - you be trolling...unless of course, you're looking at it from your perspective and see that I'm disagreeing with you - - - then I'm the one trolling.  Oh noes, everybody be trolling!

It's definitely one of those words that has lost its meaning and is used incorrectly almost all the time...meh.

Anybody that does not agree 100% with something you (again, not YOU - but just a you) - is obviously a trolling fanboi or trolling hater...meh.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%

  Pratt2112

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Joined: 2/12/12
Posts: 1172

9/03/12 11:52:39 AM#92
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by kertin
I was troll but everything I said even thanks to "trolling" is true! I gave GW2 two months until ppl ll find out its not as good as you thought. And now I can say that some of you ralised it sooner than I expected. My true opinions about GW2  cost me few warnings and two bans tbh^^

I don't really see why people troll for the sake of trolling, but I do find it interesting that sometimes the trolls see things more clearly than the anti-trolls.

It's because the term "troll" is often (and typically) used by closed-minded and intolerant people to describe anyone whose opinion doesn't reflect their own.  It's a lazy way for people to avoid having to actually address a differing opinion in an intelligent manner. Text-book ad-hominem.

The "trolls" often see things more clearly because they're not actually trolls to begin with. They're just not blinded by and emotionally wrapped up in the hype over a game and are willing to see its flaws as well as its features.

Goes something like this:

Person A: "GW2 is amazing! Best MMO ever!"

Person B: "It does look and sound good, but here's a few things that I'm not so crazy about...."

Person A: "OMG, go away troll. I'm sick of you haters not agreeing with me! Stop posting so I can go on believing that my opinion is the only valid one!"

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  Sukiyaki

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Joined: 8/14/09
Posts: 1298

9/03/12 11:53:59 AM#93

So this thread can be summarized into:

"Hurr durr I admit you where wrong! I apolozige in your name for your "mistakes".  Evryone who still disagrees is blind to my truth! Hurr I won the argument against the fanbois! "

"Hurr durr I hate GW2 too, hence I will blindly agree with the OP and brush of everyone who disagrees as a rabid GW2 fanboi who cant take our "constructive" and "openminded" critique!"

"For gods sake... GTFO troll ..."

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  Torgrim

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Joined: 12/15/05
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9/03/12 11:58:33 AM#94
Originally posted by caetftl

There were a lot of trolls on the gw2 fansite forums, there were a lot of "haters" but there were also a lot of people that seem to have been extremely accurate about how gw2 would turn out, who were also lumped in with the trolls and haters because we were biased.

 

Let me be the first to apologize... I was one of those fanbois that would defend the game and assumed everything would be really amazing because it is 2012.  Now I feel so silly reflecting on all the past conversations I had.

 

I remember one fellow sharing his concerns about wvw lag, performance issues in large groups, class mechanics and how the new trinity wasn't any better, and how the game had no truly challenging end game.  I just assumed anet had enough savvy to completely avoid such flaws, but the game I got was really simplistic.  I honestly don't know how it took so long to create a game with so little substance. 

 

I still play it, albeit casually, and the game isn't hard to stomache or anything, but it definitely isn't that groundbreaking MMO that was going to set the new standard, that many of us swore it would be. 

 

 

 

Why dont you post with your real forum name instead, or are you so afraid that your real forum name is one of troll who keeps bashing GW2?

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  darkhalf357x

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Joined: 1/25/12
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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

9/03/12 12:00:02 PM#95
Originally posted by caetftl

There were a lot of trolls on the gw2 fansite forums, there were a lot of "haters" but there were also a lot of people that seem to have been extremely accurate about how gw2 would turn out, who were also lumped in with the trolls and haters because we were biased.

 

Let me be the first to apologize... I was one of those fanbois that would defend the game and assumed everything would be really amazing because it is 2012.  Now I feel so silly reflecting on all the past conversations I had.

 

I remember one fellow sharing his concerns about wvw lag, performance issues in large groups, class mechanics and how the new trinity wasn't any better, and how the game had no truly challenging end game.  I just assumed anet had enough savvy to completely avoid such flaws, but the game I got was really simplistic.  I honestly don't know how it took so long to create a game with so little substance. 

 

I still play it, albeit casually, and the game isn't hard to stomache or anything, but it definitely isn't that groundbreaking MMO that was going to set the new standard, that many of us swore it would be. 

 

 

Part of your problem was believing in the hype to begin with.  It was a (known) marketing tool.  GW2 was never going to be the savior, messiah, or whatever other rediculous title that was awarded.  No game ever will be.  Think about it... in order for that to be true almost EVERY player would have to love and support the game.  And we all know thats an impossibility since every gamer is different.  Throw in the fact of the evolutionary changes and that in and of itself alienates a portion of the gamers.  Some gamers simply wont like that.  So how is that comment even believeable?

Even the issues are subjective.  Some gamers (such as myself) dont allow the issues to detract from the value I recieve from the game.  Others will feel the opposite.

So what exactly are you admitting here?  

  rutaq

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9/03/12 12:03:24 PM#96

I am not concerned about the OP's posting history, he made his point, he said his piece.

 

Honestly I am an MMO skeptic so I don't jump on the Fanboi bus very often.   GW2 is a good game, it is Fun but for me it isn't very satisfying, though it has provided tons of forum entertainment challenging the Fanbois proclamations on its supposed genre Superoirity.

 

I do hope that it becomes an AMAZING success for years to come....

 

     Because it optimizes everything I see wrong with the MMO genre ( Solo play, No risk only reward, ADHD progression, Themeparks) and if it can convince the Masses to never play another MMO then DEVs will be forced to make something different and prehaps even go back to the traditonal MMO elements from back in the day like   Grouping, Challenge and Risk in a Virtual world.

  Yamota

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9/03/12 12:04:32 PM#97
Originally posted by caetftl

There were a lot of trolls on the gw2 fansite forums, there were a lot of "haters" but there were also a lot of people that seem to have been extremely accurate about how gw2 would turn out, who were also lumped in with the trolls and haters because we were biased.

 

Let me be the first to apologize... I was one of those fanbois that would defend the game and assumed everything would be really amazing because it is 2012.  Now I feel so silly reflecting on all the past conversations I had.

 

I remember one fellow sharing his concerns about wvw lag, performance issues in large groups, class mechanics and how the new trinity wasn't any better, and how the game had no truly challenging end game.  I just assumed anet had enough savvy to completely avoid such flaws, but the game I got was really simplistic.  I honestly don't know how it took so long to create a game with so little substance. 

 

I still play it, albeit casually, and the game isn't hard to stomache or anything, but it definitely isn't that groundbreaking MMO that was going to set the new standard, that many of us swore it would be. 

Nice of you to admit it. I have been saying for a while now that GW 2 is just a solid ThemePark MMO and that is what it is. After a few months, those people who thinks this game is so awesome, will realise this as well because I heard the same type of praising for SW:TOR. But when you look at both games objectively they really are not doing something different.

The gameplay is still the same linear progression through level bracketed zones and quests with the difference that the quests behave differently in the sense that you dont walk up to an NPC but rather just bump into them (or in the case of heart quests, look them up in the map).

PvP is not much different, the WvWvW looks quite similar to WAR'r or DAoC's RvR. The instanced one is also similar to WAR or WOW with the (dis)advantage that everyone gets bumped up to max level.

So even though this game have alot of novelties, like that you can fight when you are downed, weapon swapping and attunement and what not, at the core it is just another ThemePark. A good, solid one, but still most people will get bored in a few months and move on. That is the nature of ThemePark MMOs.

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9/03/12 12:07:31 PM#98
Originally posted by VirusDancer
Originally posted by paroxysm

That's because you, like a lot of people, don't understand what trolling is or what it isn't.  The term became popular despite it's actual meaning and used for things that are not trolling.  Saying "trolls see things more clearly than the anti-trolls" shows that you, like tons of others, call anything you don't agree with trolling.

Yep, that's another fun one in discussions about games (and it's spread all over the place, to be honest).  If somebody disagrees with you (not you, paroxysm - just one of those general "you" things) - there's no possibility that there could be any validity to what they're saying; even if it's a case of it being an obviously subjective difference where they're sharing their feelings on a matter (looking at a picture of a kitten - one person might get all warm and gushy while another remembers their kitten that died; so they feel sad)...if the other person does not agree, they must be trolling.

All those Republicans be trolling the Democrats, man...they be trolling.  Or was it the Democrats that are trolling the Republicans?  They be trolling each other, and if you disagree with what I say - you be trolling...unless of course, you're looking at it from your perspective and see that I'm disagreeing with you - - - then I'm the one trolling.  Oh noes, everybody be trolling!

It's definitely one of those words that has lost its meaning and is used incorrectly almost all the time...meh.

Anybody that does not agree 100% with something you (again, not YOU - but just a you) - is obviously a trolling fanboi or trolling hater...meh.

Indeed.  Yesterday, I was talking to my nephew.  He described a situation in an fps game where he "trolled" someone.  He was all happy about it.  I proceeded to explain to him that what he did was not trolling, how trolling is a bad thing, and how he was just being a jerk to the other player.  Hoping he got it.   It took forever for him to learn about how cheating at games was cheating yourself.  I explained and explained.  But he couldn't see it until he did it himself and saw how boring the game got, how none of it was his skill, and how it cut short his fun.   Listening to him lamenting how stupid cheating at games is was awesome.  Saying things like "I wonder how good they are without their cheats." gave me a little spark of hope. 

  kol56

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9/03/12 12:08:45 PM#99

I accept your apologies, OP

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  darkhalf357x

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9/03/12 12:09:12 PM#100
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by caetftl

There were a lot of trolls on the gw2 fansite forums, there were a lot of "haters" but there were also a lot of people that seem to have been extremely accurate about how gw2 would turn out, who were also lumped in with the trolls and haters because we were biased.

 

Let me be the first to apologize... I was one of those fanbois that would defend the game and assumed everything would be really amazing because it is 2012.  Now I feel so silly reflecting on all the past conversations I had.

 

I remember one fellow sharing his concerns about wvw lag, performance issues in large groups, class mechanics and how the new trinity wasn't any better, and how the game had no truly challenging end game.  I just assumed anet had enough savvy to completely avoid such flaws, but the game I got was really simplistic.  I honestly don't know how it took so long to create a game with so little substance. 

 

I still play it, albeit casually, and the game isn't hard to stomache or anything, but it definitely isn't that groundbreaking MMO that was going to set the new standard, that many of us swore it would be. 

Nice of you to admit it. I have been saying for a while now that GW 2 is just a solid ThemePark MMO and that is what it is. After a few months, those people who thinks this game is so awesome, will realise this as well because I heard the same type of praising for SW:TOR. But when you look at both games objectively they really are not doing something different.

The gameplay is still the same linear progression through level bracketed zones and quests with the difference that the quests behave differently in the sense that you dont walk up to an NPC but rather just bump into them (or in the case of heart quests, look them up in the map).

PvP is not much different, the WvWvW looks quite similar to WAR'r or DAoC's RvR. The instanced one is also similar to WAR or WOW with the (dis)advantage that everyone gets bumped up to max level.

So even though this game have alot of novelties, like that you can fight when you are downed, weapon swapping and attunement and what not, at the core it is just another ThemePark. A good, solid one, but still most people will get bored in a few months and move on. That is the nature of ThemePark MMOs.

Im trying to figure out what everyone was expecting?  I thought ArenaNET was transparent in what they were delivering.  And its execution IS different from what we have today and its in that where I enjoy the game.  

But it being the best thing ever, I dont see any game holding that title ever.  All games have flaws and limitations.

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