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  Eir_S

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Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4707

GW2 socialist.

9/03/12 11:13:09 AM#61
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by caetftl

This thread isn't for people who are tossing out personal attacks at me just because I stopped being a fanboi... This is to apologize to the people that I once judged unfairly when they were much more objective than me. 

 

If you really feel the need to try and assassinate my character just because I no longer blindly love the game as you do... go ahead, but it just makes you look as silly as I once did. 

lol  You get an A for effort at least.  The only one who looks silly here is the one who got busted.

This is exactly why i've made the apology, because so many people like I once was, get proven wrong, and just forget about it and move on.  I am honestly apologizing for all of my ignorance and fanboism before, because I am not like that anymore, I am willing to admit I was wrong, and I won't brush it off and go spew some more nonsense and hype. 

All I hear are muted sounds now.  Your fatal error was thinking no one would care enough to question your authenticity.  Now you've effectively shot these kinds of "out of nowhere" criticisms full of holes.  What it looks like to most everyone here is that you were always a GW2 detractor, one that thought he was smart enough to come up with a new way to bash the game.

I will agree that you're ignorant though.

  Onigod

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Joined: 3/24/07
Posts: 701

9/03/12 11:13:35 AM#62

Funny op.. you reply to every response but ignore the guy that asks you SPECIFIC detail as to what they did not put into the game that had been said in the manifesto vid.

 

i smell a troll and it stinks.

  plastic

Novice Member

Joined: 7/08/04
Posts: 12

9/03/12 11:13:39 AM#63

I apologize, I was wrong...

GW2 is AMAZING! 

  Eir_S

Novice Member

Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4707

GW2 socialist.

9/03/12 11:14:45 AM#64
Originally posted by Vesavius

Time to throw another on the ignore heap.

Amen to that.  Cya, OP.  Better luck next time.

  Icewhite

Made History

Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6496

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

9/03/12 11:16:10 AM#65
Originally posted by Panther2103
It's kind of crazy actually how many people create accounts just to get a rise out of people. I think GW2 has the most I've seen so far closely followed by TOR.

And almost certainly, the exact same people.

It's hard to really judge severity of the event, however--it happens each and every title.  Posts per hour for the week following opening day, perhaps?  Would the forum have access to those stats, MikeB?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  caetftl

Novice Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 388

 
OP  9/03/12 11:17:19 AM#66
I find it to be really fascinating, that I make a thread to discuss gw2 and apologize to people of a certain crowd, and the other crowd attempts to derail it with personal attacks, insults, and accusations.  I can completely relate to that compulsion though, I was once just like that. 
  Lydon

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Joined: 7/20/06
Posts: 2928

9/03/12 11:19:58 AM#67
It's everything I expected and more. Sorry for you.

  Storman1977

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Joined: 5/06/06
Posts: 209

9/03/12 11:20:17 AM#68

OP, I really couldn't care less about GW2.  It looks nice, and apparently has a huge number of fans.  I wish the game all the success in the world.  I will probably not ever play it, it's just not my cup of tea. 

But, right now, all people are asking for is proof that you participated in the "fanboism" of the game.  As it is right now, for all we know, you are just another "hater" pretending to be a "fanboi apologist."  Your account here is less than a week old and under 20 posts, you're an unknown entity.  This is still the internet, bub.  Even widely excepted truth is looked at with skeptisism.  So some schmuck offering up apologies for actions he/she may or may not have done, without proof, comes off entirely disingenuous.

  Cursedsei

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/17/07
Posts: 1031

9/03/12 11:20:18 AM#69
Originally posted by caetftl
I find it to be really fascinating, that I make a thread to discuss gw2 and apologize to people of a certain crowd, and the other crowd attempts to derail it with personal attacks, insults, and accusations.
Originally posted by caetftl

This thread isn't for people who are tossing out personal attacks at me just because I stopped being a fanboi... This is to apologize to the people that I once judged unfairly when they were much more objective than me. 

So what is it? To discuss GW2 AND apologize, or just to apologize? Where's the secret tapes? What really happened at Watergate?

 

The world wants to know Mr. Nixon!

  Thillian

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/31/06
Posts: 3235

9/03/12 11:21:14 AM#70
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Thillian

DE are a poor rip off of Tabula Rasa Dynamic Battlefields, without the actual consequence (like losing a base along with all NPCs and Vendors), and it's a zergfest.

Suuure... I've played Tabula Rasa as well, and I can tell you thats some ole' bull right there. You never lost a base, all the enemies would just stand around and you'd get a notification about it so you could run in, kill em all, then instant-restore everything. If you didn't, then big whoop nothing really happens after that besides missing that base for the moment.

 

Nonsense, you probably didn't play Tabula Rasa.

In Tabula Rasa if you lost a base to invasion (Dynamic Battlefield - 2007, the original vision of Dynamic Events, later implemented in WAR as Public Quests) you lost it until players conquered it back.

There were bases in Tabula Rasa that were under enemy control for days.

And losing a base meant, you lost vendors, spawn point, and other miscellenous NPCs) So it actually had consequences.

REALITY CHECK

  jeeshadow

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Joined: 10/21/05
Posts: 82

9/03/12 11:21:46 AM#71
Ah yes, the old "I used to be a fanboy but boy was I wrong!" Troll!  he's not as commonplace as your typical north american blunthead troll, but you still see a thriving community of these species of troll in Europe and some of the forests in California.
  caetftl

Novice Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 388

 
OP  9/03/12 11:22:19 AM#72
Originally posted by Storman1977

OP, I really couldn't care less about GW2.  It looks nice, and apparently has a huge number of fans.  I wish the game all the success in the world.  I will probably not ever play it, it's just not my cup of tea. 

But, right now, all people are asking for is proof that you participated in the "fanboism" of the game.  As it is right now, for all we know, you are just another "hater" pretending to be a "fanboi apologist."  Your account here is less than a week old and under 20 posts, you're an unknown entity.  This is still the internet, bub.  Even widely excepted truth is looked at with skeptisism.  So some schmuck offering up apologies for actions he/she may or may not have done, without proof, comes off entirely disingenuous.

But that in and of itself is the beauty of god's design.  The people that would accept my apology are the ones I am apologizing to, the people that will throw out personal attacks, I don't care about them. 

  Grahor

Novice Member

Joined: 5/08/11
Posts: 856

9/03/12 11:22:20 AM#73

Another thread full of idiots blaming everyone but themselves for their failed expectations. 

 

If you'll check my posting history, you'll find that I was anything but a fanboy. I expected GW2 to be a slight evolution of mmorgps developed for more casual audience like me. That's exactly what I've got, and in some areas it actually exceeded my expectations (not by much, though.) This was pretty much exactly what I've imagine while reading the manifesto, discussing the game and dismissing those making unrealistic claims and expectations.

 

There are only 2 points where I've expected something from Anet where they underdelivered. I expected Trade Post working from day 1, even though not without problems, and I expected 2 levels of security instead of one (if you'll read the Status of the game posting from Anet from September 2, you'll see how spectacularly they admit they've failed in that direction. I mean, they try to downplay it, but it's actually very spectacular - ability to change emails on the fly and even to scan logins by changing your email.)

 

Short of that, game delivered exactly what it promised. As for those who read into promises something amazing, well, who's the fool here?

 

 

  Neo_Liberty

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/08/06
Posts: 445

9/03/12 11:22:52 AM#74
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by caetftl
I find it to be really fascinating, that I make a thread to discuss gw2 and apologize to people of a certain crowd, and the other crowd attempts to derail it with personal attacks, insults, and accusations.
Originally posted by caetftl

This thread isn't for people who are tossing out personal attacks at me just because I stopped being a fanboi... This is to apologize to the people that I once judged unfairly when they were much more objective than me. 

So what is it? To discuss GW2 AND apologize, or just to apologize? Where's the secret tapes? What really happened at Watergate?

 

The world wants to know Mr. Nixon!

+1 

got my laugh for today..

Caetftl.... If i wanted to watch re-runs i'd just watch cable tv...

  Cursedsei

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/17/07
Posts: 1031

9/03/12 11:24:13 AM#75
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Thillian

DE are a poor rip off of Tabula Rasa Dynamic Battlefields, without the actual consequence (like losing a base along with all NPCs and Vendors), and it's a zergfest.

Suuure... I've played Tabula Rasa as well, and I can tell you thats some ole' bull right there. You never lost a base, all the enemies would just stand around and you'd get a notification about it so you could run in, kill em all, then instant-restore everything. If you didn't, then big whoop nothing really happens after that besides missing that base for the moment.

 

Nonsense, you probably didn't play Tabula Rasa.

In Tabula Rasa if you lost a base to invasion (Dynamic Battlefield - 2007, the original vision of Dynamic Events, later implemented in WAR as Public Quests) you lost it until players conquered it back.

There were bases in Tabula Rasa that were under enemy control for days.

And losing a base meant, you lost vendors, spawn point, and other miscellenous NPCs) So it actually had consequences.

Which is exactly what I said. Enemies run in, base gets disabled, they stand around and did nothing, then players come in and restore it. Same crap happens in GW2.

  Storman1977

Novice Member

Joined: 5/06/06
Posts: 209

9/03/12 11:25:09 AM#76
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Storman1977

OP, I really couldn't care less about GW2.  It looks nice, and apparently has a huge number of fans.  I wish the game all the success in the world.  I will probably not ever play it, it's just not my cup of tea. 

But, right now, all people are asking for is proof that you participated in the "fanboism" of the game.  As it is right now, for all we know, you are just another "hater" pretending to be a "fanboi apologist."  Your account here is less than a week old and under 20 posts, you're an unknown entity.  This is still the internet, bub.  Even widely excepted truth is looked at with skeptisism.  So some schmuck offering up apologies for actions he/she may or may not have done, without proof, comes off entirely disingenuous.

But that in and of itself is the beauty of god's design.  The people that would accept my apology are the ones I am apologizing to, the people that will throw out personal attacks, I don't care about them. 

How is asking for proof of your wrong doing a personal attack?  Only those that lie consider the truth insidious.

  Tawn47

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Joined: 7/27/07
Posts: 515

9/03/12 11:27:04 AM#77
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Storman1977

OP, I really couldn't care less about GW2.  It looks nice, and apparently has a huge number of fans.  I wish the game all the success in the world.  I will probably not ever play it, it's just not my cup of tea. 

But, right now, all people are asking for is proof that you participated in the "fanboism" of the game.  As it is right now, for all we know, you are just another "hater" pretending to be a "fanboi apologist."  Your account here is less than a week old and under 20 posts, you're an unknown entity.  This is still the internet, bub.  Even widely excepted truth is looked at with skeptisism.  So some schmuck offering up apologies for actions he/she may or may not have done, without proof, comes off entirely disingenuous.

But that in and of itself is the beauty of god's design.  The people that would accept my apology are the ones I am apologizing to, the people that will throw out personal attacks, I don't care about them. 

You are now claiming a higher authority is intervening with this charade..  oh, yeah I mean legitimate post (lol)..   come on, this has gone on long enough - admit you're just having a bit of fun..

  Ghavrigg

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Joined: 8/10/12
Posts: 780

9/03/12 11:27:04 AM#78

I'm actually have a blast personally, now.  At first it was a little meh, but then I joined a guild, participated in a lot of WvW as well as took up some crafting, and it's becoming absolutely addictive.

But then, I went in without paying any major attention to the hype.

  VirusDancer

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Joined: 11/18/04
Posts: 3684

Heroes are about character - not gear.

9/03/12 11:28:31 AM#79

It's kind of funny, thinking about the folks asking cae for links.  I know I've spent a way too much time here and there disccussing GW2; so I went looking for my posts.  When I did not find them, it dawned on me - they weren't here.  They had been over in the SWTOR and TSW beta boards; because every where you turned - there were GW2 fanbois like a plague of locusts.  Then again, back on the RIFT beta boards - it was the SWTOR folks.  Was it a case that cae was on some forum where the invading fanbois of some other game were invading?

Of course, cae could be making the whole thing up.  Then again, I might still be asleep in the bed behind me.  I haven't had enough caffeine yet to decide....

It could be a pseudo elaborate troll - that works simply because of the psychological traits of fanbois.  Keep in mind, haters tend to have that same traits - so they are equally simple to troll in such a manner.

Tinfoil hat time, I believe that some fanbois and haters have even used it to their own advantage.  It was the main reason I wanted to comment on this thread - the bit about how things get lumped in together.

  • Michael brings up a single criticism, a valid criticism, but he is lumped in with the haters.
  • Donatello brings up a single positive, a valid positive, but he is lumped in with the fanbois.
  • Leonardo brings up a single criticism, a valid criticism...and brings up a single positive, a valid positive - he'll get lumped in with the haters by the fanbois and in with the fanbois by the haters.
  • Raphael reads the posts and looks for something to hit...

As for the tinfoil hat thing, the more silly complaints and positives that are posted - the more likely that legitimate complaints and positives are going to be ignored and lumped in with that silly fanboi/hater nonsense.

Then we get into the obvious part that's ignored.  I don't like green beans.  Nobody's going to convince me that I do.  There are people that do like green beans.  Nobody's going to convince them that they do not.  People do not spend countless hours trying to convince the other that they are wrong - when discussing green beans; but dayum - bring up opinions on a  MMO...and bazinga - both sides go to town.  They're opinnions - it's subjective.  It doesn't work that way.

Sure, there might be the rare factual discussion that takes place - those are always odd - tends to be one side or the other just trolling...or...in denial, delusional, whatever...

But those subjective discussions are just a trip - mind boggling, to say the least.

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  caetftl

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OP  9/03/12 11:30:13 AM#80
Originally posted by Tawn47
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Storman1977

OP, I really couldn't care less about GW2.  It looks nice, and apparently has a huge number of fans.  I wish the game all the success in the world.  I will probably not ever play it, it's just not my cup of tea. 

But, right now, all people are asking for is proof that you participated in the "fanboism" of the game.  As it is right now, for all we know, you are just another "hater" pretending to be a "fanboi apologist."  Your account here is less than a week old and under 20 posts, you're an unknown entity.  This is still the internet, bub.  Even widely excepted truth is looked at with skeptisism.  So some schmuck offering up apologies for actions he/she may or may not have done, without proof, comes off entirely disingenuous.

But that in and of itself is the beauty of god's design.  The people that would accept my apology are the ones I am apologizing to, the people that will throw out personal attacks, I don't care about them. 

You are now claiming a higher authority is intervening with this charade..  oh, yeah I mean legitimate post (lol)..   come on, this has gone on long enough - admit you're just having a bit of fun..

I believe in god, and i believe he turns the ankles of the lost so that we may see them coming.  It was a tough pill for me to swallow when I looked back at my posts, and had to witness the type of fanboi I used to be, completely identical to half of the posters in this thread.  But once you start seeing things objectively you have such a great understanding of it all.  I believe god taught me that lesson for a reason, and if you are trying to make a mockery of my faith, well that says enough about you. 

 

Originally posted by VirusDancer

It's kind of funny, thinking about the folks asking cae for links.  I know I've spent a way too much time here and there disccussing GW2; so I went looking for my posts.  When I did not find them, it dawned on me - they weren't here.  They had been over in the SWTOR and TSW beta boards; because every where you turned - there were GW2 fanbois like a plague of locusts.  Then again, back on the RIFT beta boards - it was the SWTOR folks.  Was it a case that cae was on some forum where the invading fanbois of some other game were invading?

Of course, cae could be making the whole thing up.  Then again, I might still be asleep in the bed behind me.  I haven't had enough caffeine yet to decide....

It could be a pseudo elaborate troll - that works simply because of the psychological traits of fanbois.  Keep in mind, haters tend to have that same traits - so they are equally simple to troll in such a manner.

Tinfoil hat time, I believe that some fanbois and haters have even used it to their own advantage.  It was the main reason I wanted to comment on this thread - the bit about how things get lumped in together.

  • Michael brings up a single criticism, a valid criticism, but he is lumped in with the haters.
  • Donatello brings up a single positive, a valid positive, but he is lumped in with the fanbois.
  • Leonardo brings up a single criticism, a valid criticism...and brings up a single positive, a valid positive - he'll get lumped in with the haters by the fanbois and in with the fanbois by the haters.
  • Raphael reads the posts and looks for something to hit...

As for the tinfoil hat thing, the more silly complaints and positives that are posted - the more likely that legitimate complaints and positives are going to be ignored and lumped in with that silly fanboi/hater nonsense.

Then we get into the obvious part that's ignored.  I don't like green beans.  Nobody's going to convince me that I do.  There are people that do like green beans.  Nobody's going to convince them that they do not.  People do not spend countless hours trying to convince the other that they are wrong - when discussing green beans; but dayum - bring up opinions on a  MMO...and bazinga - both sides go to town.  They're opinnions - it's subjective.  It doesn't work that way.

Sure, there might be the rare factual discussion that takes place - those are always odd - tends to be one side or the other just trolling...or...in denial, delusional, whatever...

But those subjective discussions are just a trip - mind boggling, to say the least.

I appreciate your contribution to this thread, while I don't agree with everything you are conveying, I appreciate that it is coming from a very civil and reasonable place.

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