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  Beacker

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9/02/12 12:14:24 PM#41
Originally posted by Hyp47

i understand wat has been said here, but its kinda unaceptable because many ppl will reach 1st lvl 80 faster than the trader will be back online... i mean, they could have bought better items and have a better game experience like i did cauz luckily 1 night the trader was open for me and i bought right away gold gear n stuff...

edited: ok overall im having a blast but its lame because they the dev team always said "gw2 will be released when its finished"

The Trade Post was taken down due to an exploit that was found. These things take time to fix and I am sure they want to make sure nothing like this will happen again. Unfortunetly for them they thought it was in working order when in fact it was not once headstart happened. No biggy really just sell your stuff in zones.

  grapevine

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9/02/12 12:16:59 PM#42
Originally posted by Beacker
Originally posted by Hyp47

i understand wat has been said here, but its kinda unaceptable because many ppl will reach 1st lvl 80 faster than the trader will be back online... i mean, they could have bought better items and have a better game experience like i did cauz luckily 1 night the trader was open for me and i bought right away gold gear n stuff...

edited: ok overall im having a blast but its lame because they the dev team always said "gw2 will be released when its finished"

The Trade Post was taken down due to an exploit that was found. These things take time to fix and I am sure they want to make sure nothing like this will happen again. Unfortunetly for them they thought it was in working order when in fact it was not once headstart happened. No biggy really just sell your stuff in zones.

 

Pretty sure ANet themselves have posted that it's down due to being overloaded, not some exploit.

 

You may be confusing the issue with the karma vendor exploit.

  Ambros123

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9/02/12 12:23:20 PM#43
Originally posted by feroshus
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by PsyMike3d

Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

 

Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

 

That's an excuse alright, and a weak one too. It's completely unecessary to have all the servers trading with each other, there's more than enough people on each server to trade with. It's been long enough now that we should all be using the AH even if it's only on our home servers. And the AH definitely makes the economy, don't try to blame players for Anets foolish ideas.

Except their mechanics of the AH will eliminate server inflation.  I very much would rather have cross server economy than server isolated.

But really not having the trade post is really getting aggrivating.  I'm a crafter, I will level slower because I'm distracted with crafting and not having access to the TP for those creature drop mechanics is getting aggrivating as I have to farm certain mobs especially since the drop rate isn't all that great.  An hour and only got a handful of fang/claws.  To make matters worse is how the pricing is completely fucked up.  People selling crafted items/drops (blues/greens) at vendor price while the materials are ridiculously more.  Like a 56-76 copper priced item while the mats are priced at 6-10 silver.

  nate1980

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9/02/12 12:56:32 PM#44
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by PsyMike3d

Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

 

Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

 

I know the game which does it. it is called The Secret World and you know how much it got slammed for broken market feature? how ever when i said excuses i was referring to the part where you called players lazy and that AH doesn't make economy.

 

Yes, players are lazy. I perfer sandbox MMOs were you have to build the economy yourself. But I know I'm not in the norm. An economy is built by supply and demand. If players really want to buy and sell things, then they'll pick a trading hub and do it. They aren't because the AH will work eventually

Even SWG had the Bazzar, so quit saying people are lazy. It's because we aren't lazy in our real lives that we don't want to waste several hours trying to sell our goods in a town, not to mention it clogs the towns up and bogs down that area.

  muchavez

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9/02/12 1:05:44 PM#45
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by PsyMike3d

Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

 

Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

Thats pretty immature of you to insult players because Anet does not have some of their features available.  Pretty much every mmo has an auction house these days, berating players for not spamming WTS WTB in a capital city for 30+ minutes for every item they want to sell or buy makes you look unintelligent.

  stevebmbsqd

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9/02/12 1:09:10 PM#46
Originally posted by xpiher

 


Originally posted by RCP_ut Its available for 50% of players already. It soon will be fixed and when it happens its an amazing feature.. Im simply loving the game and its not the trading post not working fow now that will change that :)
 

 

its still really really slow and a little bit buggy, but it'll be 100% probably by mid sep.

 


Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by PsyMike3d Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it?  i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(
  Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world.  That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days
It's the trend. Group activities get simplified to a convenient buttom push (Looking for Group/Raid or some similar system, lack of need for party invites in GW2's open world), the Trading Post represents the pinnacle of such simplification on the economy side - you get all servers linked together to accept sales and buy orders from anywhere. It's still an amazing technological feat though, no wonder they grossly underestimated the required load if they offered features never seen before (interacting with the Trading Post from anywhere while being linked to all other servers), there was simply no groundwork for an accurate estimative even with all the BWE's and Stress Tests, people won't play the game as they would play on live, especially the economy when it is all just going to be wiped later.

 

Exactly. If more people realized how these features actually worked they would be more appreciative that they work at all 

The thing is, most of us knew about this already. We already PAID for the game. The game was supposed to have this. I like GW2 but Arena Net doesn't get a pass for this launch.

  CultOfXtc

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9/02/12 1:10:00 PM#47
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by PsyMike3d

Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

 

Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

Totally agree.  If this was any (or many) other mmo's people would be wining more.  People are (or were)  giddy on fanboi-isum are unwilling to admit it's a big f up.  No auction house lowers the game experience and players opinion on Anet.

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  proxy42086

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9/02/12 1:11:21 PM#48

You pay electrician to wire your house. It doesnt work for atleast a week after its done is that ok you wontget mad cause  you dont understand how it works? you pay for something you expect to get what you pay for. Ill give a few day grace period for launch. I love the game but still disappointed on that part.

 

No one here will pay for somethign and say its ok it doesnt work.

  NaughtyP

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9/02/12 1:20:52 PM#49

While it is a pain in the butt, it's not a gamebreaker for me (yet).

The last 2 MMOs I tried had auction house or bank problems at launch, so it's not uncommon, but that's not really a good excuse.

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  observer

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9/02/12 1:45:10 PM#50
I still can't use it.  It's really annoying me now.
  EricDanie

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9/02/12 1:54:15 PM#51

Don't get offended because you were called lazy in this case. I know I am lazy. Laziness is what drives the human race towards convenient solutions.

"Laziness (also called indolence) is a disinclination to activity or exertion despite having the ability to do so. It is often used as a pejorative; related terms for a person seen to be lazy include couch potato, slacker, and bludger."

Working with this wikipedia definition it's clear we are just complaining about the lack of TP while we could do like others and trade via mail and communicate to find the sellers/buyers. I bet there are people getting rich that way since the lack of a centralized pricing makes it easier to profit if you know how it works, less people actively engaged due to the reduced efficiency.

Back on the TSW comparison, so it didn't work on launch either? Plus, could you access it from anywhere or did you need to interact with specific NPCs? If so, how common were those NPCs? With this information we can draw a comparison, keep in mind Funcom released the information that their sales expectations were set too high, so we're looking at the opposite infrastructure estimative of GW2.

  Flaeb

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9/02/12 2:02:20 PM#52
I agree and disagree, I don't mind trading in town, but this game system uses the trading post ot trade, and you CAN NOT trade players normally unless YOU TRUST the player to send you money while you send item through mail.  From MMO experience, I don't trust random players like that. So I NEED the trading post to trade my items unless they decide to add "regular"  trading between players. So I'm stuck from making money through trade.
  muchavez

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9/02/12 2:06:51 PM#53
Originally posted by EricDanie

Don't get offended because you were called lazy in this case. I know I am lazy. Laziness is what drives the human race towards convenient solutions.

"Laziness (also called indolence) is a disinclination to activity or exertion despite having the ability to do so. It is often used as a pejorative; related terms for a person seen to be lazy include couch potato, slacker, and bludger."

Working with this wikipedia definition it's clear we are just complaining about the lack of TP while we could do like others and trade via mail and communicate to find the sellers/buyers. I bet there are people getting rich that way since the lack of a centralized pricing makes it easier to profit if you know how it works, less people actively engaged due to the reduced efficiency.

Back on the TSW comparison, so it didn't work on launch either? Plus, could you access it from anywhere or did you need to interact with specific NPCs? If so, how common were those NPCs? With this information we can draw a comparison, keep in mind Funcom released the information that their sales expectations were set too high, so we're looking at the opposite infrastructure estimative of GW2.

Saying you could just trade with other people is a cop out.  I have been spamming /map in the human capital for the past day trying to sell copper ore.  I have also made a thread here

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/363541/WTS-Copper-Ore.html

with no responses.   That is just item #1 on a list of 20 things i need to buy / sell.  Spamming WTB/WTS is incredibly innefficient.

  MosesZD

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9/02/12 2:28:23 PM#54
Originally posted by grapevine
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by grapevine

 

Still wish it didn't to be honest, but it did launch with a means of secure trading.  Something GW2 does not have until they get the AH working.

In a similar vein, I really wish they would add face to face trading. 

 

Agree, but even then for that to work they'd need to fix moving between instances.

 

Basically two fundamental mechanics broken since release, i.e. being able to securely trade, and be in the same instance as the person one wants to group with.

1.  Partially true.  But partially false.   It's been up and down.   Most people have had access as they've been rotating it through the day, they just didn't know it.

2.  Haven't really had that problem now that things have calmed down and people aren't playing 14-hours a day...    It rarely takes more than a minute or to for everyone to spawn back to the server.   Most of the time at peak when I go to a new area I bounce to over-flow and then immediately back to main server.    And during late nights/work days, there's no trouble at all.

 

And since, in grown-up land at least, we understand trade-offs must be made...   I'm very happy at the trade off that has me waiting a minute, or 15 or 30 rather than sit in a 4-hour log-in queue.

 

  tawess

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9/02/12 2:34:39 PM#55

"That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days"

 

Yeah... Just like you do not any longer hunt your own meat and then barter off what you do not need with your neighbour for a sack of carrots. Neither do you stand on the plaza and try to sell your mothers handwashed turnips... People are so lazy today.

 

Not saying the world woudl not be a more eco-friendly place if you did but a centralized market is pretty much a staple of the western society, so i would say that it is a pretty big part of the game economy, especially when it is not working.

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  Betakodo

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9/02/12 3:06:54 PM#56
Originally posted by rdrpappy
My entire guild can use the trade feature, only like 2 people are affected.

There's a trade feature? You don't mean the mail system right? I'm curious how many scammers have gone nuts with the auction house down.

  EricDanie

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9/02/12 4:06:58 PM#57
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by rdrpappy
My entire guild can use the trade feature, only like 2 people are affected.

There's a trade feature? You don't mean the mail system right? I'm curious how many scammers have gone nuts with the auction house down.

I've just purchased some materials from some guy in /map but I have to say that in the case you get scammed, enough screenshots should be able to bring you some justice, even if it takes a while since support is probably overwhelmed.

The lack of a functioning alternative is ANet's fault, you can't simply expect people not to trade, especially with rare materials.

  RizelStar

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9/02/12 4:29:56 PM#58
Originally posted by Hyp47

i understand wat has been said here, but its kinda unaceptable because many ppl will reach 1st lvl 80 faster than the trader will be back online... i mean, they could have bought better items and have a better game experience like i did cauz luckily 1 night the trader was open for me and i bought right away gold gear n stuff...

edited: ok overall im having a blast but its lame because they the dev team always said "gw2 will be released when its finished"

Ugh huh riiiiiggggghhhhhhttttttt... we sure do [need] an AH when we get higher level ATM...meanwhile I got this without AH.

 Be easy fellas.

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