Originally posted by RogueTroopa

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by RogueTroopa

I think I'll make myself a new mmo.

I think that's the only way most people will be fully satisfied, but you don't seem to appreciate how much effort and work it takes and how poorly your own ideas might translate to an MMO, no matter how good they seem to you at the time.  I'll reserve 60 bucks for your creation though out of good faith. ;)

For a start no more escorting mules and centaurs wil be banished forever

Fair enough.  There's probably been a million threads on "how would you make an MMO" though so I won't ask what your ideas are here.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by SaunZ

The negative posts are REALLY starting to stack up.  They have succeeded in scaring me off from this game... which makes me feel SO guilty.  I wish I could be more brave but, it looks like a lot of people are starting to think they were duped.

I was advised to give it a month or two before buying and see how people still felt about it then... but... it seems they are turning faster then my advisor thought.

oh my...

 

SZ

Do you have an "advisor" for every game you buy?  And you do realize that almost all of the people that have criticized the game in the past week are people that were already doing it before launch, right?  Ask your advisor to think that one out for you.  The MMORPG.com forums are hardly indicative of a real problem, nor real success, no matter how you slice it or who's doing the slicing.

And all of the people who are praising it unconditionally are the same people who did so before the game launched.

If you want to bring up slicing then it really does cut both ways :)

Actually, no they're not.  Aerowyn and I have both noticed something you apparently haven't.  It doesn't cut both ways.  In fact, it cuts more in the favor of GW2 if you're not counting log-in issues and so-called hacking.  People who didn't expect to like the game have come out and stated that it's awesome.  I don't see much of the opposite, but hey I'll keep my eyes peeled.

There's also been retractions, after they've played some more.   Going back to their original distaste.

Given the updates from ANet it's very clear hacking is a major issue, so I'd not label them "so called".

Originally posted by kertin

 Let them play few weeks:) they will realise it too but it wants time...You said how I felt in Closed beta. More and more ppl start to have the same opinion about this game. Its so overhyped game that lots of ppl is blinded right now. But events are more repetitive and boring than usual kill x rats: ))

But the regular questing system is just the same thing but staler.

Here you can at least skip the boring quests if you want to, in Rift (or whatever) you need to do them to come to the next one.

I am sure this game is not for everyone and I said so a long time ago, but the people it aint for are the ones enjoying the gear hamsterwheel and being told what to do all the time.

No questhubs give you a lot of freedom, at least for a themepark. Many people cant handle this but dont tell me how I will feel about the game soon, you have no clue.

The main thing I like about this is that most of it actually is challenging thoughl. You cant watch TV while doing your skill rotation as you can in most other MMOs.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by SaunZ

The negative posts are REALLY starting to stack up.  They have succeeded in scaring me off from this game... which makes me feel SO guilty.  I wish I could be more brave but, it looks like a lot of people are starting to think they were duped.

I was advised to give it a month or two before buying and see how people still felt about it then... but... it seems they are turning faster then my advisor thought.

oh my...

 

SZ

Do you have an "advisor" for every game you buy?  And you do realize that almost all of the people that have criticized the game in the past week are people that were already doing it before launch, right?  Ask your advisor to think that one out for you.  The MMORPG.com forums are hardly indicative of a real problem, nor real success, no matter how you slice it or who's doing the slicing.

And all of the people who are praising it unconditionally are the same people who did so before the game launched.

If you want to bring up slicing then it really does cut both ways :)

Actually, no they're not.  Aerowyn and I have both noticed something you apparently haven't.  It doesn't cut both ways.  In fact, it cuts more in the favor of GW2 if you're not counting log-in issues and so-called hacking.  People who didn't expect to like the game have come out and stated that it's awesome.  I don't see much of the opposite, but hey I'll keep my eyes peeled.

That's laughable.

Aerowyn default response to any critisim of this game is, 'I really like this game, I don't get why you don't'. You on the other hand range from, 'you clearly haven't played it', to, 'your too dumb to get it'.  The pair of you have been stating this arguement adnasuem for a long time and your still doing it now.  Your still jumping in threads and trying to rubbish anyones negative opinion of your favorite game.

Your argument makes no sense, if there's hardly any critical threads why do you respond to them then? So they don't exist but you feel the need to correct nonexistent threads do you?

I suppose things look differently when your in a cult eh?

Originally posted by RogueTroopa

I've tried to like this game. Personally the only reason it will succeed is because there's no sub.

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by SaunZ

The negative posts are REALLY starting to stack up.  They have succeeded in scaring me off from this game... which makes me feel SO guilty.  I wish I could be more brave but, it looks like a lot of people are starting to think they were duped.

I was advised to give it a month or two before buying and see how people still felt about it then... but... it seems they are turning faster then my advisor thought.

oh my...

 

SZ

Do you have an "advisor" for every game you buy?  And you do realize that almost all of the people that have criticized the game in the past week are people that were already doing it before launch, right?  Ask your advisor to think that one out for you.  The MMORPG.com forums are hardly indicative of a real problem, nor real success, no matter how you slice it or who's doing the slicing.

And all of the people who are praising it unconditionally are the same people who did so before the game launched.

If you want to bring up slicing then it really does cut both ways :)

Actually, no they're not.  Aerowyn and I have both noticed something you apparently haven't.  It doesn't cut both ways.  In fact, it cuts more in the favor of GW2 if you're not counting log-in issues and so-called hacking.  People who didn't expect to like the game have come out and stated that it's awesome.  I don't see much of the opposite, but hey I'll keep my eyes peeled.

That's laughable.

Aerowyn default response to any critisim of this game is, 'I really like this game, I don't get why you don't'. You on the other hand range from, 'you clearly haven't played it', to, 'your too dumb to get it'.  The pair of you have been stating this arguement adnasuem for a long time and your still doing it now.  Your still jumping in threads and trying to rubbish anyones negative opinion of your favorite game.

Your argument makes no sense, if there's hardly any critical threads why do you respond to them then? So they don't exist but you feel the need to correct nonexistent threads do you?

I suppose things look differently when your in a cult eh?

you obviously have not read very many of my posts.. funny because even in the post I made above I said not everyone is going to like another high fantasy themepark.. but you know people see what they want to see.

Originally posted by Omnifish

That's laughable.

Aerowyn default response to any critisim of this game is, 'I really like this game, I don't get why you don't'. You on the other hand range from, 'you clearly haven't played it', to, 'your too dumb to get it'. 

Don't respond to me if you don't know my posts.  Maybe you're thinking of someone else, but I stopped reading there.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by kertin

 Let them play few weeks:) they will realise it too but it wants time...You said how I felt in Closed beta. More and more ppl start to have the same opinion about this game. Its so overhyped game that lots of ppl is blinded right now. But events are more repetitive and boring than usual kill x rats: ))

But the regular questing system is just the same thing but staler.

Here you can at least skip the boring quests if you want to, in Rift (or whatever) you need to do them to come to the next one.

I am sure this game is not for everyone and I said so a long time ago, but the people it aint for are the ones enjoying the gear hamsterwheel and being told what to do all the time.

No questhubs give you a lot of freedom, at least for a themepark. Many people cant handle this but dont tell me how I will feel about the game soon, you have no clue.

The main thing I like about this is that most of it actually is challenging thoughl. You cant watch TV while doing your skill rotation as you can in most other MMOs.

You do have a lot of freedom in how you level, but the hearts a very similar to quest hubs, except each quest is condensed into one ie. water the crops, fight back the bores and/or get rid of the pest. 

If you quest 3-4 levels over you head or CHOOSE to be real active, yes they quest are challenging. In truth though, you can just stand in the area of a quest, watch TV, and still be rewarded.

yah but if your the type of person that never takes breaks ..it will be

also if your doing the same things over again it will be also..trying doing other things..explore diff lands and events

i agree it does get a bit mind numbing at times but imo i think they should have more char slots "5 limmit" or buy 1 more for 10$ ..that price seems a bit too much for 1 slot ..if 10$ is going price for 1 slot im really thinking that the cash shop is gonna be a force to be recon with soon..not good

also i know there wasnt that many races to begin with in gw1 ..but it would be great to see more..alot more diff races would be great to see sence this is a new gw and went into the "true but new" type of mmorpg genra ..sry but imo i didnt think much of gw1 much of an mmo..i just hope it dont turn into a mad rush to pvp for max lvl and end up like a DAoC or WAR ..where you can pretty much be max lvl by the end of the day or week...imo its what ruined those games..atleast for me

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by SaunZ

The negative posts are REALLY starting to stack up.  They have succeeded in scaring me off from this game... which makes me feel SO guilty.  I wish I could be more brave but, it looks like a lot of people are starting to think they were duped.

I was advised to give it a month or two before buying and see how people still felt about it then... but... it seems they are turning faster then my advisor thought.

oh my...

 

SZ

Do you have an "advisor" for every game you buy?  And you do realize that almost all of the people that have criticized the game in the past week are people that were already doing it before launch, right?  Ask your advisor to think that one out for you.  The MMORPG.com forums are hardly indicative of a real problem, nor real success, no matter how you slice it or who's doing the slicing.

And all of the people who are praising it unconditionally are the same people who did so before the game launched.

If you want to bring up slicing then it really does cut both ways :)

Actually, no they're not.  Aerowyn and I have both noticed something you apparently haven't.  It doesn't cut both ways.  In fact, it cuts more in the favor of GW2 if you're not counting log-in issues and so-called hacking.  People who didn't expect to like the game have come out and stated that it's awesome.  I don't see much of the opposite, but hey I'll keep my eyes peeled.

That's laughable.

Aerowyn default response to any critisim of this game is, 'I really like this game, I don't get why you don't'. You on the other hand range from, 'you clearly haven't played it', to, 'your too dumb to get it'.  The pair of you have been stating this arguement adnasuem for a long time and your still doing it now.  Your still jumping in threads and trying to rubbish anyones negative opinion of your favorite game.

Your argument makes no sense, if there's hardly any critical threads why do you respond to them then? So they don't exist but you feel the need to correct nonexistent threads do you?

I suppose things look differently when your in a cult eh?

you obviously have not read very many of my posts.. funny because even in the post I made above I said not everyone is going to like another high fantasy themepark.. but you know people see what they want to see.

Sorry maybe that was the wrong turn of phrase.  Your posts can be summed up as the above, which seems to be your response to most critisim of this game.  I have brought this up before, you pretty much said that here as well.

Originally posted by RogueTroopa

Lol at some of the fanboy replies. I logged in today with some mates. My first dynamic event was another epic escorting a mule to another town. Seriously we were bored to death after a minute lol. And more of the darn centaurs. The second one I found in a cave spawning bandits every millisecond. Go kill a leader on top of a rock. You could even pick up a big bomb. Seriously made for 2 year olds but I suppose if you like this stuff then who am I to argue.

and finally the cherry on the cake was killing some harpies near a dam. I tried my personal story but to my horror found I had to escort another mule with centaurs attacking. 

If the masses can be pleased this easy I think I'll make myself a new mmo. I'll have a trynamic event system. It will be epic and awesome.

2 things:

1) If you are constantly running into an "escort the mule" event.... maybe move somehwere else? The same events do occur repeteadly in the same place. So if you sit there for awhile, yeah youre going to keep getting the same escort quest. If you logged out where an escort the mule even was taking place, common sense would tell you youre going to run into it again when you log back into the same area.

2) The vents that do require escorting someone to a location is for a reason. It is not "escort this guy, then bam youre done thats it. nothing else to do here". Once they get where they need to, it starts setting off other events. If you fail the escort, those events never occur.

If youre not just a pure troll and actually play the game and think the escort events are so boring, you should watch this video of the Frozen Maw event, which starts out as an escort, then when complete sets off a series of events resulting in 4 events with seperate objectives all going on simultaneously at that same location, and the ultimate goal of defeating the Svanir Shaman chief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGy4Nj9s9IM

Or better yet, go get past level 10, I recommend 14 or 15 you should be alright, and go do the event yourself. It takes place in the area between Hunter's Lake and Frusenfell Creek in the Wayfarer Foothills (Norn area).

In the last few days I could count on one hand the mobs I've killed. I have spent my time exploring, crafting and doing puzzles. If you are bored playing this game, then MMOs aren't for you.

Does this game have its faults? Yes. But IMO its the most well-rounded, all ways something to do mmo out of the new ones.

1. combat is enjoyable.

2. You can move through a zone without agro'ing 20k of mobs. Meaning you can actually do the jumping puzzles most of the time without fighting a ton of mobs. The agro range and mob density is nothing like some other resently relased mmos.

3. There is hidden stuff all over. Did you find the secret treasure chest in Lion's arch? Did you do the pirate quest line? How about the asura sky puzzle?

4. You can actually test character builds for a lvl 80 class, at 1st level.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by RogueTroopa

Lol at some of the fanboy replies. I logged in today with some mates. My first dynamic event was another epic escorting a mule to another town. Seriously we were bored to death after a minute lol. And more of the darn centaurs. The second one I found in a cave spawning bandits every millisecond. Go kill a leader on top of a rock. You could even pick up a big bomb. Seriously made for 2 year olds but I suppose if you like this stuff then who am I to argue.

and finally the cherry on the cake was killing some harpies near a dam. I tried my personal story but to my horror found I had to escort another mule with centaurs attacking. 

If the masses can be pleased this easy I think I'll make myself a new mmo. I'll have a trynamic event system. It will be epic and awesome.

2 things:

1) If you are constantly running into an "escort the mule" event.... maybe move somehwere else? The same events do occur repeteadly in the same place. So if you sit there for awhile, yeah youre going to keep getting the same escort quest. If you logged out where an escort the mule even was taking place, common sense would tell you youre going to run into it again when you log back into the same area.

2) The vents that do require escorting someone to a location is for a reason. It is not "escort this guy, then bam youre done thats it. nothing else to do here". Once they get where they need to, it starts setting off other events. If you fail the escort, those events never occur.

If youre not just a pure troll and actually play the game and think the escort events are so boring, you should watch this video of the Frozen Maw event, which starts out as an escort, then when complete sets off a series of events resulting in 4 events with seperate objectives all going on simultaneously at that same location, and the ultimate goal of defeating the Svanir Shaman chief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGy4Nj9s9IM

Or better yet, go get past level 10, I recommend 14 or 15 you should be alright, and go do the event yourself. It takes place in the area between Hunter's Lake and Frusenfell Creek in the Wayfarer Foothills (Norn area).

frozen maw is a huge event but there are plenty smaller ones that have cause and effect even in the starter areas.. for instance in queensdale there is a guard tower that gets overrun by centaurs that starts an event if you fail it the centaurs destroy the guard tower.. you then can start another event in the little outpost down the road to bring a caravan with workers to that guard tower and fend off the attacking centaurs.. if you succeed the guard tower will be rebuilt.. these things happen all over the place and are far and away imho better than traditional questing found in most other MMOs.. also only queensdale have I seen a lot of caravan escorts so far.

Originally posted by Ryowulf

In the last few days I could count on one hand the mobs I've killed. I have spent my time exploring, crafting and doing puzzles. If you are bored playing this game, then MMOs aren't for you.

Does this game have its faults? Yes. But IMO its the most well-rounded, all ways something to do mmo out of the new ones.

1. combat is enjoyable.

2. You can move through a zone without agro'ing 20k of mobs. Meaning you can actually do the jumping puzzles most of the time without fighting a ton of mobs. The agro range and mob density is nothing like some other resently relased mmos.

3. There is hidden stuff all over. Did you find the secret treasure chest in Lion's arch? Did you do the pirate quest line? How about the asura sky puzzle?

4. You can actually test character builds for a lvl 80 class, at 1st level.

 

I really hate when people say if you re bored in this game, then MMOs aren t for you. Thats just a stupid comment. Not all games appeal to everyone. The reason you re starting to see these post, with many many many more to come, is the fault of beyond overhyping. I played it and knew I could get a month or 2 of fun, but probably that would be spread out over 2 years. No sub allows that, but, alot of people blindly bought it because so many people made this game out to be the best thing ever. Which it s not even close, IMO, and it seems alot of others.

Originally posted by RogueTroopa

I've tried to like this game. Personally the only reason it will succeed is because there's no sub. If there was it would soon end up like SWTOR, Tera and Rift.

The combat system isn't good. Too dam fiddly having to constantly use the right mouse button to turn yourself around. It breaks combat. Just plain annoying. Even the combat for each class gets tedious after awhile. For example firing a rifle being blown backwards is a good novelty but after a dozen or so times its irritating.

Dynamic Events get more and more repetitive.  Am sick to death of escorting quests. Really do we have to escort people at least ten times in every zone? Its designed as a clever timesink to make you feel you progress at a slow pace. Even if its nott escort, its kill a thousand centaurs, bandits, worms. YAWN AND MORE YAWN.

Personal Story- Even more tiresome quests which involved escorting or saving someone. More bandits and centaurs. Great. 

Gear- Can buy stuff with karma or pick up off the odd random mob. Most of the karma vendors don't have much and the majority of loot you pick is crafting stuff. Yawn another timesink.

The World- Didn't get a feeling of OMG this is epic.  Where's the decent music scores in this game? Cities are instanced nuff said.

Replayability value- the thought of getting to even level 30, then re-rolling and going through the dynamic event system again makes me feel nauseous. zerg fests of button mashing in every zone is not my idea of fun.

 

 

 

oh lol u notice that NOW?

i absolutely agree with u but i "saw" it after 2 BWEs n saved my money for a better game.

BUT.-.to be fair its like that WITH ALL MMORPGS with some of the points. they all get boring and repetetive sooner or later. it was SOONER in gw2 for me.

and i didnt feel like the game word was as "epic" as in other mmorpgs. (atleast what i saw of it )