Originally posted by rojo6934

remove the subscription in Swtor and i will go back to it. I like the game, but hate the sub. Ill see when it goes freemium how bad the free limitations will be. It is an ok wow clone and dont get me wrong, i love wow clones because they play like WoW. But saying that Swtor is similar to GW2 is wrong. Quests in swtor might activate like you said but they are not dynamic. Swtor launch was far worst than GW2's. GW2 launch was not perfect but was the smoothest launch in AAA mmos in a while, at least for me that only played at launch the most recent sub based mmos like Rift, Swtor, Tera, TSW, DCUO, maybe im forgetting one or two here.

So yeah, back on topic, take Swtors subscription off and dont add stupid limitations to free players, then ill go back to it.

B2P FTW

SWTOR launch was worse than GW2?! really?! where have you been? GW2 is the worst launch i've been part of and i've been in many. The servers went down for a few hours in august 25, the AH it's still NOT WORKING after one week, the guild/party/chat systems were broken for several days and they are still not 100% atm.

The overflow was nice for the first 2 days, instead of waiting in queue you played while you're waiting to enter the real server, but then came the other problem... you wanted to play with you friends and most times you couldn't because every time you switched to a new zone you could end up in the overflow or in the real server and get separated from you friends. Yes, i know there is an option in the game that allows you to join your friend, but it's also broken.

The security in this game is zero! Yes, zero! People can hack your account, switch account names and you will only receive one email saying "your account name was changed". Shall we get on to customer support?  i saw one guy that had lag while using the shop to buy an item, he ended up getting 3 items, he contacted customer support and basically they told him "too bad, next time have a little more patience". Another guy got  hacked and got all chars deleted, he asked support if they could restore the chars, they said "unfortunately we can't do a rollback".

This game is having problems with almost every system, i don't understand how people defend arenanet and this launch. I don't care if it doesn't have a monthly fee, i paid for the game i want a quality service... i love the game but arenanet went from top to bottom in my opinion.

I'm not even going to speak about the exploiting and how they are handling the situation.

SWTOR launch was away better than this.

EDIT: Yesterday i waited 2 and a half hours to enter WvW, i gave up.... when i saw guys from my guild who queued up later enter the game ahead of me. Broken queue is broken.

Can someone point me to all these instances I'm supposedly playing in? only private instace I've encountered has been my personal storyline, and thats just 1 quest, everything else has been Openworld content.

So please OP tell me where all these instances are, I want to take a look for myself.

Oh and when did the GW2 forums go up because they havent been up since Headstart.

Originally posted by sleepr27

Originally posted by rojo6934

remove the subscription in Swtor and i will go back to it. I like the game, but hate the sub. Ill see when it goes freemium how bad the free limitations will be. It is an ok wow clone and dont get me wrong, i love wow clones because they play like WoW. But saying that Swtor is similar to GW2 is wrong. Quests in swtor might activate like you said but they are not dynamic. Swtor launch was far worst than GW2's. GW2 launch was not perfect but was the smoothest launch in AAA mmos in a while, at least for me that only played at launch the most recent sub based mmos like Rift, Swtor, Tera, TSW, DCUO, maybe im forgetting one or two here.

So yeah, back on topic, take Swtors subscription off and dont add stupid limitations to free players, then ill go back to it.

B2P FTW

SWTOR launch was worse than GW2?! really?! where have you been? GW2 is the worst launch i've been part of and i've been in many. The servers went down for a few hours in august 25, the AH it's still NOT WORKING after one week, the guild/party/chat systems were broken for several days and they are still not 100% atm.

The overflow was nice for the first 2 days, instead of waiting in queue you played while you're waiting to enter the real server, but then came the other problem... you wanted to play with you friends and most times you couldn't because every time you switched to a new zone you could end up in the overflow or in the real server and get separated from you friends. Yes, i know there is an option in the game that allows you to join your friend, but it's also broken.

The security in this game is zero! Yes, zero! People can hack your account, switch account names and you will only receive one email saying "your account name was changed". Shall we get on to customer support?  i saw one guy that had lag while using the shop to buy an item, he ended up getting 3 items, he contacted customer support and basically they told him "too bad, next time have a little more patience". Another guy got  hacked and got all chars deleted, he asked support if they could restore the chars, they said "unfortunately we can't do a rollback".

This game is having problems with almost every system, i don't understand how people defend arenanet and this launch. I don't care if it doesn't have a monthly fee, i paid for the game i want a quality service... i love the game but arenanet went from top to bottom in my opinion.

I'm not even going to speak about the exploiting and how they are handling the situation.

SWTOR launch was away better than this.

EDIT: Yesterday i waited 2 and a half hours to enter WvW, i gave up.... when i saw guys from my guild who queued up later enter the game ahead of me. Broken queue is broken.

I aint seen no problems, my hole durn geeld is playin with no troubles. It's LOL funny, I didn't know the GW2 forum was open, Gerrrrr derp, it is ***here***, that's where we are is here.

What instances, I have seen 12.7% less instancing than SWto ble bla bla, stories are better because in this game they are less bad and with more good.

Amazing but pointless, there are thousands of posts all over this forum, with gut wrenching cries of no UI and I hate Taris, stories are dumb, gear is stupid and on and on.

But if there is no sub, ahhhhh smooth sailing.

you forgot something on your list: GW2 is the best game in a long time, swtor is utter crap. that makes a difference for some of us - if not for most ;)

Calling GW2 singleplayerish makes me think that youve never played it tho. its the first MMO that stands up to its genre in YEARS.

Originally posted by sleepr27

Originally posted by rojo6934

remove the subscription in Swtor and i will go back to it. I like the game, but hate the sub. Ill see when it goes freemium how bad the free limitations will be. It is an ok wow clone and dont get me wrong, i love wow clones because they play like WoW. But saying that Swtor is similar to GW2 is wrong. Quests in swtor might activate like you said but they are not dynamic. Swtor launch was far worst than GW2's. GW2 launch was not perfect but was the smoothest launch in AAA mmos in a while, at least for me that only played at launch the most recent sub based mmos like Rift, Swtor, Tera, TSW, DCUO, maybe im forgetting one or two here.

So yeah, back on topic, take Swtors subscription off and dont add stupid limitations to free players, then ill go back to it.

B2P FTW

SWTOR launch was worse than GW2?! really?! where have you been? GW2 is the worst launch i've been part of and i've been in many. The servers went down for a few hours in august 25, the AH it's still NOT WORKING after one week, the guild/party/chat systems were broken for several days and they are still not 100% atm.

The overflow was nice for the first 2 days, instead of waiting in queue you played while you're waiting to enter the real server, but then came the other problem... you wanted to play with you friends and most times you couldn't because every time you switched to a new zone you could end up in the overflow or in the real server and get separated from you friends. Yes, i know there is an option in the game that allows you to join your friend, but it's also broken.

The security in this game is zero! Yes, zero! People can hack your account, switch account names and you will only receive one email saying "your account name was changed". Shall we get on to customer support?  i saw one guy that had lag while using the shop to buy an item, he ended up getting 3 items, he contacted customer support and basically they told him "too bad, next time have a little more patience". Another guy got  hacked and got all chars deleted, he asked support if they could restore the chars, they said "unfortunately we can't do a rollback".

This game is having problems with almost every system, i don't understand how people defend arenanet and this launch. I don't care if it doesn't have a monthly fee, i paid for the game i want a quality service... i love the game but arenanet went from top to bottom in my opinion.

I'm not even going to speak about the exploiting and how they are handling the situation.

SWTOR launch was away better than this.

EDIT: Yesterday i waited 2 and a half hours to enter WvW, i gave up.... when i saw guys from my guild who queued up later enter the game ahead of me. Broken queue is broken.

I have had no problems with GW2 launch other than those relating to servers being over-loaded. Are you on a Eu or Us server? 

Security is a personal issue. People are logging into phishing websites and losing their information to hackers. Hardly the fault of a developers.

The entire "system" failure as you have described it all revolves around way to many people trying to play on servers not setup for the population. Login, trade, mail, and guild systems are all related, and that is dealing with the servers and how they are interconnected. 

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Originally posted by rdrpappy
I have read the phrase "take your time and enjoy the game" for the one millionth time today over at the Guild Wars 2 forum. Almost as many times as I have read the phrase "I skipped the planets and the stories" by those same people right here.

GW2 is a decent game, despit the constant denial of any bugs or glitches by the very dishonest fans, the game has had a less than smooth launch but not horrid.

But the only real diference between SWTOR and GW2 is the fact that SWTOR launched with a subscription and GW2 with a cash shop. It is another solid THEMEPARK game and has quests that auto initiate when you get close to the right areas.

GW2 is heavily instanced, very solo oriented, very story driven and all of the other things this game has been mauled for. what a bunch of hypocrits.

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Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by sleepr27

Originally posted by rojo6934

remove the subscription in Swtor and i will go back to it. I like the game, but hate the sub. Ill see when it goes freemium how bad the free limitations will be. It is an ok wow clone and dont get me wrong, i love wow clones because they play like WoW. But saying that Swtor is similar to GW2 is wrong. Quests in swtor might activate like you said but they are not dynamic. Swtor launch was far worst than GW2's. GW2 launch was not perfect but was the smoothest launch in AAA mmos in a while, at least for me that only played at launch the most recent sub based mmos like Rift, Swtor, Tera, TSW, DCUO, maybe im forgetting one or two here.

So yeah, back on topic, take Swtors subscription off and dont add stupid limitations to free players, then ill go back to it.

B2P FTW

SWTOR launch was worse than GW2?! really?! where have you been? GW2 is the worst launch i've been part of and i've been in many. The servers went down for a few hours in august 25, the AH it's still NOT WORKING after one week, the guild/party/chat systems were broken for several days and they are still not 100% atm.

The overflow was nice for the first 2 days, instead of waiting in queue you played while you're waiting to enter the real server, but then came the other problem... you wanted to play with you friends and most times you couldn't because every time you switched to a new zone you could end up in the overflow or in the real server and get separated from you friends. Yes, i know there is an option in the game that allows you to join your friend, but it's also broken.

The security in this game is zero! Yes, zero! People can hack your account, switch account names and you will only receive one email saying "your account name was changed". Shall we get on to customer support?  i saw one guy that had lag while using the shop to buy an item, he ended up getting 3 items, he contacted customer support and basically they told him "too bad, next time have a little more patience". Another guy got  hacked and got all chars deleted, he asked support if they could restore the chars, they said "unfortunately we can't do a rollback".

This game is having problems with almost every system, i don't understand how people defend arenanet and this launch. I don't care if it doesn't have a monthly fee, i paid for the game i want a quality service... i love the game but arenanet went from top to bottom in my opinion.

I'm not even going to speak about the exploiting and how they are handling the situation.

SWTOR launch was away better than this.

EDIT: Yesterday i waited 2 and a half hours to enter WvW, i gave up.... when i saw guys from my guild who queued up later enter the game ahead of me. Broken queue is broken.

I have had no problems with GW2 launch other than those relating to servers being over-loaded. Are you on a Eu or Us server? 

Security is a personal issue. People are logging into phishing websites and losing their information to hackers. Hardly the fault of a developers.

The entire "system" failure as you have described it all revolves around way to many people trying to play on servers not setup for the population. Login, trade, mail, and guild systems are all related, and that is dealing with the servers and how they are interconnected. 

I'm playing in EU and it's really disappointing that after at least 6 months of closed beta testing, 3 beta weekends and a ton of stress tests (around 15 or so)  the game is broken beyond believe. Don't get me wrong, i love the game - even though i still don't know if im going to stick with it for a long time -  but the service they are providing is really poor, one of the worst i've seen to be honest. 

I know the servers are getting hammered, but it's their fault. They knew how many bought the game for headstart, they should have guessed that a ton of people would be buying it after. Basically they slacked, they thought they were OK to go and in my opinion so far it has been a disaster.

Im not hating, i'm not just blind like some people who are fans and everything is OK for them. I've heard things like, "It's ok, it doesn't have a monthly fee", "good job arenanet", "awesome launch". I was astonished to read such things, come guys, we paid for the game we deserve a better service! Monthly or no monthly fee, doesn't matter... a MMO it's not just a game it's a service.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

But the only real diference between SWTOR and GW2 is the fact that SWTOR launched with a subscription and GW2 with a cash shop.

Funny, I'd happily pay a sub for Gw2, but wouldn't play TOR, even if they paid me.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Originally posted by sleepr27

Originally posted by rojo6934

remove the subscription in Swtor and i will go back to it. I like the game, but hate the sub. Ill see when it goes freemium how bad the free limitations will be. It is an ok wow clone and dont get me wrong, i love wow clones because they play like WoW. But saying that Swtor is similar to GW2 is wrong. Quests in swtor might activate like you said but they are not dynamic. Swtor launch was far worst than GW2's. GW2 launch was not perfect but was the smoothest launch in AAA mmos in a while, at least for me that only played at launch the most recent sub based mmos like Rift, Swtor, Tera, TSW, DCUO, maybe im forgetting one or two here.

So yeah, back on topic, take Swtors subscription off and dont add stupid limitations to free players, then ill go back to it.

B2P FTW

SWTOR launch was worse than GW2?! really?! where have you been? GW2 is the worst launch i've been part of and i've been in many. The servers went down for a few hours in august 25, the AH it's still NOT WORKING after one week, the guild/party/chat systems were broken for several days and they are still not 100% atm.

The overflow was nice for the first 2 days, instead of waiting in queue you played while you're waiting to enter the real server, but then came the other problem... you wanted to play with you friends and most times you couldn't because every time you switched to a new zone you could end up in the overflow or in the real server and get separated from you friends. Yes, i know there is an option in the game that allows you to join your friend, but it's also broken.

The security in this game is zero! Yes, zero! People can hack your account, switch account names and you will only receive one email saying "your account name was changed". Shall we get on to customer support?  i saw one guy that had lag while using the shop to buy an item, he ended up getting 3 items, he contacted customer support and basically they told him "too bad, next time have a little more patience". Another guy got  hacked and got all chars deleted, he asked support if they could restore the chars, they said "unfortunately we can't do a rollback".

This game is having problems with almost every system, i don't understand how people defend arenanet and this launch. I don't care if it doesn't have a monthly fee, i paid for the game i want a quality service... i love the game but arenanet went from top to bottom in my opinion.

I'm not even going to speak about the exploiting and how they are handling the situation.

SWTOR launch was away better than this.

EDIT: Yesterday i waited 2 and a half hours to enter WvW, i gave up.... when i saw guys from my guild who queued up later enter the game ahead of me. Broken queue is broken.

I aint seen no problems, my hole durn geeld is playin with no troubles. It's LOL funny, I didn't know the GW2 forum was open, Gerrrrr derp, it is ***here***, that's where we are is here.

What instances, I have seen 12.7% less instancing than SWto ble bla bla, stories are better because in this game they are less bad and with more good.

Amazing but pointless, there are thousands of posts all over this forum, with gut wrenching cries of no UI and I hate Taris, stories are dumb, gear is stupid and on and on.

But if there is no sub, ahhhhh smooth sailing.

So, basically, you expected everyone to overlook your blatant misinformation and just rail against GW2? Ok, sounds like a plan.

What's that smell in this room?

Didn't you notice it, rdrpappy?

Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?

These GW2 players are thirty-year-old kids. Soon they'll be fifty-year-old kids. Pretendin' they're hearin' cheers when there ain't any. Dreamin' and gamin' their life away. Heroes in the real world live twenty-four hours a day, not just two hours in Ascalon. Mendacity!

Originally posted by sleepr27

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by sleepr27

I have had no problems with GW2 launch other than those relating to servers being over-loaded. Are you on a Eu or Us server? 

Security is a personal issue. People are logging into phishing websites and losing their information to hackers. Hardly the fault of a developers.

The entire "system" failure as you have described it all revolves around way to many people trying to play on servers not setup for the population. Login, trade, mail, and guild systems are all related, and that is dealing with the servers and how they are interconnected. 

I'm playing in EU and it's really disappointing that after at least 6 months of closed beta testing, 3 beta weekends and a ton of stress tests (around 15 or so)  the game is broken beyond believe. Don't get me wrong, i love the game - even though i still don't know if im going to stick with it for a long time -  but the service they are providing is really poor, one of the worst i've seen to be honest. 

I know the servers are getting hammered, but it's their fault. They knew how many bought the game for headstart, they should have guessed that a ton of people would be buying it after. Basically they slacked, they thought they were OK to go and in my opinion so far it has been a disaster.

Im not hating, i'm not just blind like some people who are fans and everything is OK for them. I've heard things like, "It's ok, it doesn't have a monthly fee", "good job arenanet", "awesome launch". I was astonished to read such things, come guys, we paid for the game we deserve a better service! Monthly or no monthly fee, doesn't matter... a MMO it's not just a game it's a service.

So you would rather have them setup 200 extra servers only to shut them down in a couple weeks. I for one hate every title that does this. Rift, SWToR, Aion, all closed and consilidated servers. Not a big deal unless you are part of a guild. It destroys the work done building it up when you have to move to another server. Lets just stick with the problems that are here right now with GW2 and in a week or two the "excitement" will be over and the players that want to be part of the game will be playing, and the ones just checking it out on occasion will do just that. 

I really don't like discussing another game on a forum not setup for it. I am not sure why the OP titled it in such a way that it would become controversial here.

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Originally posted by rdrpappy

GW2 is heavily instanced, very solo oriented, very story driven and all of the other things this game has been mauled for. what a bunch of hypocrits.

K Bye

Originally posted by Loktofeit

These GW2 players are thirty-year-old kids. Soon they'll be fifty-year-old kids.

Er...already there.  What am I supposed to be doing, again?

Oh yeah, mendacity.  Okay then.  I'll try to remember, I forget things so easily these days...what were we talking about?

Originally posted by rojo6934

remove the subscription in Swtor and i will go back to it. I like the game, but hate the sub. Ill see when it goes freemium how bad the free limitations will be. It is an ok wow clone and dont get me wrong, i love wow clones because they play like WoW. But saying that Swtor is similar to GW2 is wrong. Quests in swtor might activate like you said but they are not dynamic. Swtor launch was far worst than GW2's. GW2 launch was not perfect but was the smoothest launch in AAA mmos in a while, at least for me that only played at launch the most recent sub based mmos like Rift, Swtor, Tera, TSW, DCUO, maybe im forgetting one or two here.

So yeah, back on topic, take Swtors subscription off and dont add stupid limitations to free players, then ill go back to it.

B2P FTW

GW2 DE are not really Dynamic, is more like a zone quest with a timer, and the hearts are pretty much a quest, you have the text telling you what to do in the upper right corner on the screen, and you can only do it once, is a quest.  GW2 is a temepark, and heavily instanced, even more than swtor. 

SWTOR lauch was great, i dont remember any mayor problem or bug but queue times at some point. GW2 launch, was just Bad, 1 week, and they still have a lot unfixed bugs, and im not even talking about all the acc hacking problems, exploits, ingame hack etc. 

Originally posted by hikaru77

GW2 is a temepark, and heavily instanced, even more than swtor. 

No MMO is more heavily instanced than SWTOR.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

I have read the phrase "take your time and enjoy the game" for the one millionth time today over at the Guild Wars 2 forum. Almost as many times as I have read the phrase "I skipped the planets and the stories" by those same people right here.

GW2 is a decent game, despit the constant denial of any bugs or glitches by the very dishonest fans, the game has had a less than smooth launch but not horrid.

But the only real diference between SWTOR and GW2 is the fact that SWTOR launched with a subscription and GW2 with a cash shop. It is another solid THEMEPARK game and has quests that auto initiate when you get close to the right areas.

GW2 is heavily instanced, very solo oriented, very story driven and all of the other things this game has been mauled for. what a bunch of hypocrits.

There isn't much room for discussion since what you've asserted isn't very accurate.

I don't see many people denying any bugs, so I'm not sure where you are going with that.  ArenaNets security wasn't so hot, but the cause was users not protecting their "unique" password, and practicing poor internet security with phising attempts?  Unless you can link me an article that ArenaNet data centers were hacked.  Nevertheless, I think more people are complaining about security than denying a problem exists (ArenaNet needs a Rift/WoW coin lock & WoW/SWTOR/EQ authenticator system also).  The broken AH listed elsewhere in this thread isn't being denied either.  But I think the general consensus is that people will want a nice AH experience, and not a shoddy one, such as done by EA with SWTOR.

There are alot of differences between GW2 and SWTOR, but I won't go into them all since they were already mostly mentioned.  However I would say the #1 difference for me is that GW2 uses a fast optimized engine, and SWTOR uses a 3rd rate engine by EA programmers who thought they could modify the Hero Engine, and ended up butchering it instead.  Mutilating it so badly, in fact, that Hero will not support it.  GW2 takes less than a minute to load from clicking it's icon to the actual game, all steps combined.  SWTOR .. umm a couple minutes to get to the character screen, then another couple minutes to load a zone, which SWTOR apparently loves to do.  Everytime you tie you shoe in SWTOR there is another loading screen.

The cashshop is optional, and I don't see much need for me to have anything that is currently offered, outside maybe buying new character slots (beyond the initial 5) at some later date.

SWTOR takes the cake when it comes to instancing, so what you said was essentially baseless.  There are instances for character stories, but 1 every couple levels on average I suppose.  In SWTOR I spent my time playing going from one instance to the next, with a few brief interludes in-between to kill 20 droids or hang out on the fleet and stare at the ceiling.

Now I wanted to enjoy SWTOR, as sci-fi / sci-fantasy would be more up my alley .. but the game just flat out stinks after getting 1 character to 50.  Creating alts was a sickening experience for me - I got an alt to 25'ish and just outright unsubscribed.  Speaking of lying, have fun paying for Makeb, since content was declared as free long ago.  "SWTOR subscriptions have not decreased", then the next day, "Subscriptions are down 400k this quarter".  Enjoy having stuff ripped from major patches at the last moment, like Rated Battlegrounds/Warzones. .. Illum will be epic, and we will add a future feature for players to use the combat vehicles there .. Mmm delicious.  Secret Space Project, SGRA ... oh yeah faster content, how could I forget that beauty.

Now if SWTOR drastically improves, I'll consider it again.  But for now, posts like yours got me curious to check out GW2 and buy it.  So if you are trying to advertise for GW2 you are doing a great job :)  ..   because praising SWTOR makes you lose credibility, and gamers will try to disassociate themselves from you :P

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Anyone who plays GW2 knows that only time you solo are when you are in personal storyline or while crafting, and gathering.

In GW2 you are always..i repeat always in group by default. OP you didn't even play the game did you?

This is such a bs lie. You re not actually in a group, it s just people with a common goal. Do they give a shit you re even there, nope, so it means nothing of a group mechanic. Sure some will try and make it more group orientated, but in the end it s really just a chaotic mass mess. Fun for some, not for others.