Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by k-damage

p.s : Xfire sampling gathers 100 times more samples than any official governmental survey (generally an official survey is sampling ~1000 people, and yet it claims to be representative).

Your knowledge of statistics is severely lacking.  1000 people is enough to get a good representation of a large population if you conduct the survey properly.  If you don't, then a sample size of 300,000 done badly will get you really bad information on a much larger population.

Xfire isn't taking represenative samples of the gaming popualtion because its userbase is not a represenative sample.  It doesn't matter if they have a large number, because the base information is going to be biased and nothing is being done to try to counteract that bias.

lol, are you implying that all government/media surveys are conducted properly ... ?

Originally posted by otacu

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

In the mmorpg genre

 

 

 Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

♦ Aion (2.6%)

♦ Other (24.6%)

 

Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

well now i see 80.000 hours for GW2 and 15.700 for WoW ...

Originally posted by loulaki

Originally posted by otacu

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

In the mmorpg genre

 

 

 Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

♦ Aion (2.6%)

♦ Other (24.6%)

 

Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

well now i see 80.000 hours for GW2 and 15.700 for WoW ...

Now it's:

♦ Guild Wars 2 (55.9%)

♦ World of Warcraft (11.0%)

♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (3.1%)

♦ Aion (3.0%)

♦ Metin 2 (2.3%)

♦ Other (24.8%)

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

This time we'll also look at the specific game's stats:

GW2

http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2

WoW

http://beta.xfire.com/games/wow

Taking all the info into consideration (not just the % above but also the # of players and # of hours in the links) could give an insight on what might be happening on a macro scale but it in no way is this concrete data.  I would like to speculate that xfire has been around a long time so these are likely players that have been playing for a while which is why until now WoW has been on top.

Originally posted by Gravarg

Originally posted by otacu

Xfire users must really like Gw2

The only real truth about these numbers...doesn't mean anything

 

Edit: I know hundreds of people outside my guild in WoW, and then there's about 150-200 in my guild.  I've never once heard about any of them using or even talking about xfire or xfire numbers...alot of people don't use xfire.  Like I said in the other posts,  it's like saying apples are horrible, because at the orange store people only buy oranges.

Its probably safe to say that, the same percentage of people using Xfire in WoW, and GW2.

I don't understand why anyone cares about any numbers as long as you enjoy playing the game..

Originally posted by otacu

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

In the mmorpg genre

 

 

 Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

♦ Aion (2.6%)

♦ Other (24.6%)

 

Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

This has to be wrong.

....I mean there's no way that many people are playing SWTOR!  =P

Originally posted by Justsomenoob

Originally posted by otacu

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

In the mmorpg genre

 

 

 Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

♦ Aion (2.6%)

♦ Other (24.6%)

 

Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

 

 

This has to be wrong.

 

....I mean there's no way that many people are playing SWTOR!  =P

a lot of my old guildies stil are playing TOR, was talking with one on vent just before I logged off GW2 to come here and yes the population is still very stable on my old server. He was using Black Hole population when he runs his dailies  as a guideline. He said most people are migtrating to just a few servers so that is helping.

Oh and just my opinion but I fail to see how pandas will re energize WoW

These statistics make no difference, your flapping over nothing... Wait till MOP comes out and give it a few months then flap if GW2 is still dominating it.

Honestly these threads get boring.. it doesnt even make a difference if GW2 kills WoW. Most of the Anti WoWists are just ex players who got bored of the rinse and repeat cycle.

Additionally Xfire is just a pointless program that was useful during Steams early years.

Originally posted by Sup3rnova

These statistics make no difference, your flapping over nothing... Wait till MOP comes out and give it a few months then flap if GW2 is still dominating it.

Honestly these threads get boring.. it doesnt even make a difference if GW2 kills WoW. Most of the Anti WoWists are just ex players who got bored of the rinse and repeat cycle.

Additionally Xfire is just a pointless program that was useful during Steams early years.

xfire predicted SWTOR's dramatic player loss in early January, 4 months before any official data was available and before anyone in the press took a serious look at SWTOR's problems

there's 2 threads here about xfire and swtor.

it's almost insane how accurate xfire predicted this.

Originally posted by mmojunkie5000

Originally posted by Sup3rnova

These statistics make no difference, your flapping over nothing... Wait till MOP comes out and give it a few months then flap if GW2 is still dominating it.

Honestly these threads get boring.. it doesnt even make a difference if GW2 kills WoW. Most of the Anti WoWists are just ex players who got bored of the rinse and repeat cycle.

Additionally Xfire is just a pointless program that was useful during Steams early years.

xfire predicted SWTOR's dramatic player loss in early January, 4 months before any official data was available and before anyone in the press took a serious look at SWTOR's problems

there's 2 threads here about xfire and swtor.

it's almost insane how accurate xfire predicted this.

No it's not.

SWTOR was a major failure.  Anyone playing it for any length of time could see that.  The writing was on the wall.  Noting a major failure is not "insane", but to be expected.  Frankly, average players also noticed people leaving quite early on as well, if they hadn't left themselves.

Originally posted by Gravarg
I'm better than Guild Wars 2.  100% of xfire users think I'm the sexiest man alive 1% of the time ;)

xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

Originally posted by Silok

xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

why do people not understand how polls work.

do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

Originally posted by Slampig
Wow, I have literally seen three of these exact same threads in like the past 5 minutes. You would think there would be only one, you know, the entire hive-mind thing...

Wow, you ever here of simultaneous thread creation?    It's happened to me.  I've seen others do the same.  

Originally posted by Slampig
Wow, I have literally seen three of these exact same threads in like the past 5 minutes. You would think there would be only one, you know, the entire hive-mind thing...

Agree... Fanboyism..

Serious stop these threads.. We allready got it. Gw2 pwns and WoW will lose 10 mil subs within 2 months.. Theres no more to prove.

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Originally posted by mmojunkie5000

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Originally posted by Silok xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

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why do people not understand how polls work.

 

do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

 

and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

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those numbers probably say more about xfire than anything else

Originally posted by mmojunkie5000

Originally posted by Silok

xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

why do people not understand how polls work.

 

do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

 

and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

 I understand the answers to polls are generally manipulated using the format of questions asked and selected sampling  which makes them as useless as X-fire. For instance if I asked a thousand people living in mud huts in Namibia if playing GW2 is better than WoW eating children alive it's not going to produce much useful data.

Originally posted by mmojunkie5000

why do people not understand how polls work.

 

do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

 

and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

Apparently, because they're never entered or passed a first-year statistics course.  Not unusual, most Americans haven't.

That's ok, reporters understand the hard sciences even less.  The "hype" for Kahoutek was generated in the media, not by the scientists.

Anyway, we don't need this thread again--the last one's still going.