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  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

 
OP  8/30/12 1:21:18 PM#1

...and I have to say, while GW2 has had obvious issues the sheer quality of the game allows me to forgive it. Only a fool would pretend things have been perfect, but neither have they been the horror shows the trolls, professional shills, and fanbois of other games would let others believe.

SWTOR or Rift, as examples, would not have gained the same tolerance from me, simply because they were (IMO) not good games to start with. (though Rift has matured really nicely... I would prolly be playing it now if not for GW2).

I can honestly see myself playing this game a long time though, and I am sure that any issues will be nailed soon. The community in game, at least on my server, is amazingly upbeat and philisophical about it all, especially for a gamer community which is usually about tantrums and being a dick revelling in the misfortune of others. It's quite suprising really.

 

Anyhow... what's the point of this thread? Just spreading the sunshine :)

 

Lets use it for more now I have made it though... post some screen shots and lets see what you have been up to.

  Syno23

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8/30/12 1:22:31 PM#2
SW:TOR's launch was stupid. That pissed me off so badly. GW2 was fun. No server queues and relitively smooth servers.
  tachgb

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8/30/12 1:26:13 PM#3
The only disconnects I've had are from the patches kicking me off, heh. Been a superb ride so far, I can't stop playing. Best MMO I've ever played to be honest, it's been years since I've been able to enjoy an MMO this much. ArenaNet restoring the goodness back into MMO's! :D
  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

 
OP  8/30/12 1:30:16 PM#4
Originally posted by tachgb
The only disconnects I've had are from the patches kicking me off, heh. Been a superb ride so far, I can't stop playing. Best MMO I've ever played to be honest, it's been years since I've been able to enjoy an MMO this much. ArenaNet restoring the goodness back into MMO's! :D

 

I know, loving it myself :)

C'mon though... screen shots please. Don't be lazy :D

  sfc1971

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8/30/12 1:32:12 PM#5

Define relative, 2 massive downtimes in Europe, constant restarts, lag issues during some small fights while big fights go smooth (indicating the lag is a server issue, not peoples connection) and can't login in again.

Mail down and up more times then a JoJo, Auction house still missing in action. No forum. Guild chat having issues.

There have been FAR worse launches but for European players especially, mainting this launch is the best ever (as some do claim), that is just showing you either picked the worsed MMO's in history to play before or you are a bit of a fanboy.

And the thing about fanboys... SWTOR and AOIN had them too. Hell, TSW had people claiming it was the best MMO ever. 

I found all these game enjoyable enough to play for longer and shorter periods of time but none of them were perfect by any means. It is one thing to think your soccer team has a real shot at the championship, it is another thing to truly belief that your attacker can kick a ball into orbit and his touch will cure cancer.

The really annoying thing? Auction house code should be sorted by now. Next game, just ask Ebay to write it for you. Same with mail and chat. this is basic stuff that should have been finished in the first year of development. I can see how a massive 3D engine with deforming terrain and massive battles is hard to get right. But IRC chat? That was perfected 30 years ago.

JUST USE IRC FOR CHAT! It works. It is free. IT WORKS!

ARGH!

Nope, still can't login. THIS is the biggest killed. They KNOW they got issues each time they bring the game down, so why not just keep the patches that don't fix anything important off for a while and just wait till the initial rush is over. 3 minutes warning you are going to the thrown out of a dungeon or massive event is just very bad customer relations.

  tachgb

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8/30/12 1:38:11 PM#6
Originally posted by Vesavius

C'mon though... screen shots please. Don't be lazy :D

Oh, took this a few monents ago before patch went up, just managed to defeat it before getting kicked off. :D

 

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/Honelith/shadowbehemoth2.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/Honelith/shadowbehemoth1.jpg

 

Amazing fight and loot! :D

  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7195

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

 
OP  8/30/12 3:58:31 PM#7
Originally posted by sfc1971

Define relative

 

Well, if I have made the statement that the relative is according to my enjoyment, then I have alrteady defined it.

I am enjoying the game a lot, so I have tolerance for the launch hiccups.

  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7195

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

 
OP  8/30/12 3:59:29 PM#8
Originally posted by tachgb
Originally posted by Vesavius

C'mon though... screen shots please. Don't be lazy :D

Oh, took this a few monents ago before patch went up, just managed to defeat it before getting kicked off. :D

 

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/Honelith/shadowbehemoth2.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/Honelith/shadowbehemoth1.jpg

 

Amazing fight and loot! :D

 

Nice:D

  Angier2758

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Joined: 9/05/09
Posts: 1060

8/30/12 4:05:10 PM#9
Originally posted by sfc1971

Define relative, 2 massive downtimes in Europe, constant restarts, lag issues during some small fights while big fights go smooth (indicating the lag is a server issue, not peoples connection) and can't login in again.

Mail down and up more times then a JoJo, Auction house still missing in action. No forum. Guild chat having issues.

There have been FAR worse launches but for European players especially, mainting this launch is the best ever (as some do claim), that is just showing you either picked the worsed MMO's in history to play before or you are a bit of a fanboy.

And the thing about fanboys... SWTOR and AOIN had them too. Hell, TSW had people claiming it was the best MMO ever. 

I found all these game enjoyable enough to play for longer and shorter periods of time but none of them were perfect by any means. It is one thing to think your soccer team has a real shot at the championship, it is another thing to truly belief that your attacker can kick a ball into orbit and his touch will cure cancer.

The really annoying thing? Auction house code should be sorted by now. Next game, just ask Ebay to write it for you. Same with mail and chat. this is basic stuff that should have been finished in the first year of development. I can see how a massive 3D engine with deforming terrain and massive battles is hard to get right. But IRC chat? That was perfected 30 years ago.

JUST USE IRC FOR CHAT! It works. It is free. IT WORKS!

ARGH!

Nope, still can't login. THIS is the biggest killed. They KNOW they got issues each time they bring the game down, so why not just keep the patches that don't fix anything important off for a while and just wait till the initial rush is over. 3 minutes warning you are going to the thrown out of a dungeon or massive event is just very bad customer relations.

 When everything went down Saturday morning... some of us were still playing in the states.  Like 4 people in queendale trying to do the DEs.  Maybe they kept a few people in for testing purposes?

  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

8/30/12 4:07:02 PM#10

I feel the same way. The WvsWvsW ques and the AH/Mail being down would be much more untolerable if the rest of the game wasn't absolutely perfect. I've had 0 problems with the game other than those two things.

My Warrior below.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1435/gw094g.jpg

 

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4735

8/30/12 4:09:55 PM#11

I understand the OP, if a game deserves it, I am generally more patient, and GW2 is a good game.

Having said that, my patience is running low.

Between the Headstart and today, I haven't played too much due to the Login problems, plus the Trade Post (AH) never worked since launch.

GW2 is the best Themepark of the last 7 years hands down, the launch though is one of the worst bar AoC, Vanguard and AO.

They really needs to fix this, even SWTOR had a better launch.

  aedros

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Joined: 2/17/04
Posts: 14

8/30/12 4:28:48 PM#12

agree....no mmorpg launch has ever been perfect, lets face it , we as people are not perfect, so dont expect anything else in this world to be perfect......every game even years after launch has downtime,patches,issues, so some downtime here and there is not a huge thing.....

for those complaining about the mail system , if you paid attention and read the updates, they are keeping it down on purpose to save many people of their own stupidity replying to random emails and resetting their passwords, mail system down means those hijacked accounts cant be cleared out and have items sent to mule accounts.....

  HorrorScope

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Posts: 612

8/30/12 5:34:33 PM#13
OP that seems very reasonable to me.
  Atlan99

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8/30/12 5:50:13 PM#14
Yeah it seems people are willing to put up with GW2 despite all the problems they are having. These kind of problems would have had most people heading for the exit's already in any other game. It's baffling to see how forgiving the community seems to be in Arenanet's case.
  kDeviL

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Posts: 237

8/30/12 5:57:44 PM#15

Agreed. All the hickups and especially the mailing and trading post being down (leaving no way to trade whatsoever) would be game-breaking to me in any other MMO.

 

For some reason in GW2 it's a MINOR annoyance.

If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Why is it still such a big deal?

  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

8/30/12 6:00:25 PM#16
Originally posted by Atlan99
Yeah it seems people are willing to put up with GW2 despite all the problems they are having. These kind of problems would have had most people heading for the exit's already in any other game. It's baffling to see how forgiving the community seems to be in Arenanet's case.

As already stated, it's mostly because the game is fun.  I could take or leave games like WAR or SWTOR and probably forget to come back, they didn't blow me away.

Otherwise, unlike these other companies, I don't think ANet expected this and it didn't arise from laziness or cheapness; they're still the deserving group of devs I've come to know and respect.  I wouldn't bail on a friend, so why should I bail on ANet?  Once things are fixed, it'll be even better.  Hopefully that's soon.. some people's patience is not as far-reaching as my own.

  Wolvards

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8/30/12 6:03:46 PM#17
Originally posted by Tayah

I feel the same way. The WvsWvsW ques and the AH/Mail being down would be much more untolerable if the rest of the game wasn't absolutely perfect. I've had 0 problems with the game other than those two things.

My Warrior below.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1435/gw094g.jpg

 

That is an awesome looking warrior, what armor is that?

I'll have to find out how to get my Necro posted on here when I get home now :)

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  Aelious

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8/30/12 6:08:30 PM#18
I think it's seen as less of a deal because the game itself is really good and is keeping people busy. Plus, weapons and armor drop from mobs all the time that are mostly fine (blue) quality. Now, time is ticking as more get high level and are looking to offload to the broker or are looking for mats. Right now though I think people are being kept busy enough and don't really care.
  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

8/30/12 6:09:24 PM#19
Originally posted by Wolvards
Originally posted by Tayah

I feel the same way. The WvsWvsW ques and the AH/Mail being down would be much more untolerable if the rest of the game wasn't absolutely perfect. I've had 0 problems with the game other than those two things.

My Warrior below.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1435/gw094g.jpg

 

That is an awesome looking warrior, what armor is that?

I'll have to find out how to get my Necro posted on here when I get home now :)

I'm not sure, but I think the more noticeable parts of that armor set are from HoM rewards.  I know the flaming gauntlets are.

  kDeviL

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8/30/12 6:18:39 PM#20

 My biggest beef with the game so far is all the banning going on.  Of course people need to be banned if they're purposely doing or saying something completely over the line.  But I learned today that alot of my guild got banned for buying level 60 yellows for 21 karma.  Even though some of them were using the mystic forge to exploit it it's still Anet's fault for the price and they shouldn't take the heat like that.  Just take re-do the price and take the weapons back, why ban?

 

I'm sure the whole guild would have left the game by now, just for that if it was any game besides GW2.

If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Why is it still such a big deal?

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