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  ZeGerman

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8/29/12 10:41:37 AM#61
@Macecard sometimes is just good to leave a quote so that people really think about how rediculous trolls like that are and dismiss them. No intention of responding if he posts back :).  I try not to over hype any game but i do believe if we want innovation in the gaming industry we have to fight back against those afraid of change and reform.
  User Deleted
8/29/12 10:44:01 AM#62

I can't speak for an entire genre - but for ME, It was the MMO savior.  

I had given up on MMO's.  I truly had.  I was burned out by the same game with different lore and skins.  The names were changed and the places the same.  Some were more sandboxy, but just weren't for me.

I played EQ, EQ2, WoW, Warhammer Online, Lotro, EvE, Aion and RIFT.  My poor friends and family followed me from game to game after I promised that each of them were goning to be "it".  

I felt like such a fool.  No more, I had given up and figured that the genre had just stagnated and there was nothing left for me.

Guild Wars 2 was my MMO savior.  

  Jenadara

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8/29/12 10:44:20 AM#63
It hard for me to wrap my arms around this article. The game is not pay to play. Pay to play is when you pay a sub- plain and simple. Lets not change the meaning just to suit your arguments.

Also you mentioned 2 people's articles, yet proceded to comment on peoples responses and not what the article itself said.


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  Ozmodan

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8/29/12 10:47:10 AM#64
GW2 is a fun and well put together game, but I completely agree with the OP, it is definitely not the MMO savior and will not budge Wow off it's pedestal.  The problem is, it is just more of the same.  Nothing really new.  
  Phry

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8/29/12 10:49:37 AM#65
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by sadeyx

Just as Blizzard started the trend of selling expensive pets to people for cash,  which made it OK foreveryone else to do it....   Guildwars2 will set the trend that its 'ok' to charge a premium price for a F2P MMO.

So no, your right.  GW2 isnt the savior of MMO's,  if anything this pushes MMO's even more into the realms of 'cash machine product' than it ever was.

 

Thats why I wont buy GW2, not because its a good or bad game, but because it sets a standard for a disturbing and worrying future of online games.

 

I guess you could say I dont support what ANET are trying to do, under the disguise of a game and massive hype.

Correct me if I'm wrong (groggy from a morning of meetings), but are you saying that an MMO must charge a sub to be worth a box price?

its a lame attempt to dissuade people from using cash shops probably.. now, the thing is with GW2 is you don't have to use the cash shop, no doubt loads will because its human nature, but its not like you have to do so... and thats where it differs from the vast majority of F2P games cash shops,  imo, people are more likely to spend money in a cash shop of the GW2 variety, than a cash shop where you have to buy items to progress. and then theres the game quality, GW2 is better quality than just about any F2P game out there, even the ones that didnt start out as F2P..

  Nephaerius

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8/29/12 10:50:56 AM#66
Whetger its the savior or not its the most fun ive had in an mmo in years and has managed to meet if not exceed all of my expectations. Just hit lvl 40 and it keeps getting better

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  Carl132p

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8/29/12 10:51:53 AM#67
Originally posted by Macecard
Originally posted by Carl132p
Originally posted by Lavec
Originally posted by mmoDAD

The problem with The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 is this: I'm being told what to do and where to go...

 

I don't have any control of my destiny. Sometimes I want to shift the engine in neutral and just hang out. I want to plant a house, start a player city, attack rival cities, experience deep crafting, and start a player shop.

I can't do any of this in these Theme Park games.

 

ArcheAge, IMO, looks to be the sustainer of MMOs. We'll see, though.

Your opinion is very valid and clearly GW2 is not the game for you but I do wonder why you and many others feel compelled to comment like this. Imagine I said, the problem with a VW Golf is that it doesn't have 4WD and I can't take it off-road - it would be a pretty stupid statement because it's not what a Golf is designed for. At least you are not being rude and insulting in your comments. I hope ArcheAge is the game for you.

Actually when everyone is saying the game is genre changing, inovative, and the savior of the genre they ARE saying its a VW with 4WD and offroading capabilities. Since it isn't that the above comment is perfectly acceptable especially in a thread like this. Please do like the game and play it, but earth shattering mmo development this is not.

No, just no. The golf has changed many many times over the years, at no point did thyey add 4WD, change the general size, person capacsity, general engine size, or its purpose. Just because something is innovative doesn't mean its been changed to do something that its predecessors did not do. It does the same thing but better.

Adding a kettle function to an oven is not innovation. Somehow improving the effiency of the oven by using a different heating method IS. 

MMO's have been doing the same thing but better for years now and we don't call them innovative. This game isn't doing anything we've not seen before and we are tired of what we've seen before.

  Carl132p

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8/29/12 10:53:14 AM#68
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  NibiruX

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8/29/12 10:53:58 AM#69
too bad no one si publishing a piece about the "haters" ,  I mean how can I read someone say GW2 it's just "more of the same" and still take that person seriously?!?
  Ozmodan

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8/29/12 10:54:14 AM#70
Originally posted by Macecard
Originally posted by ZeGerman
Originally posted by Vivasvan

Saviour of the MMO world? Here we go again. Hype and more hype. 

 

gw2 has nothing new or different. It's actually just a low skill needed pvp game. 

Max out your player in a month and then do what?  There is no endgame in gw2.  Not even a single raid lol. Saviour of the MMO world without even a single end game raid. 

pay to buy your gear. Pay to win model all the way.  Your all on a hype pill due to recent hype on this game. Let the dust  settle, let the hyped emotions settle down and  then see where you are with this game. 

Dynamic events, world pvp. Woooww. The game has no endgame and not even a single raid. 

 

No wonder people are returning back to Everquest. 

 

Im sorry why are raids the only form of end game? Running out into the world exploring and having storys develop arround me isnt end game?  This kinda of logic is what holds the MMO world back, sure GW2 may not be the answer for you.  The answer for you may be to play eq2 and WoW but people like you are what forces everyone else to play the same game cloned a hundred times with new art instead of getting new experiences.

ZeGerman, why you even bothered to reply to this troll post is beyond me. You doing what he wants you to do. This troll hasn't even tried to use correct information in this troll post. Just ignore ppl who can't even be bothered to read the article before commenting (did you read the first paragraph? cos this troll did not)

Typical poster, can't stand criticism of a game you like so you try to play the troll card.  Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone is in love with this game and he did say exactly why he was disappointed with the game,  It does not have an end game that suited him.   It is just more of the same, granted done in a very fun way, but then again SWTOR was very fun initially too.  Not having a sub fee will help it much more than SWTOR though.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are a troll, perhaps people whining about criticism are the trolls?

  Iselin

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8/29/12 10:54:36 AM#71
I'm having problems with the concept that disagreements in game forums happen between zealots and haters. There is nothing wrong with debates about differing opinions even when those debates are passionate. Demonstrating feelings about this gas you care about is much more honest than the oh so cool detached style that many have when posting their smug one liners. Yes, there are douchebags and asshats who post in practically every thread but from where I'm standing I see an equal number on both sides of any argument--certainly not predominantly in the zealot camp as this blog seems to be saying.
  Mrwho

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8/29/12 10:59:45 AM#72

Great article!

I have to agree, GW2 will remain a success as long as it has the player backing to do so.  I was more impressed by TERA when it launched over GW2.  Give it a 3-4 months and us Jaded gamers will be ready to move on to better things........which i am still waiting for...Wheres that next amazing MMO when you need it. They all see to be falling short.

  rygard49

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8/29/12 11:11:53 AM#73
Originally posted by Iselin
I'm having problems with the concept that disagreements in game forums happen between zealots and haters. There is nothing wrong with debates about differing opinions even when those debates are passionate. Demonstrating feelings about this gas you care about is much more honest than the oh so cool detached style that many have when posting their smug one liners. Yes, there are douchebags and asshats who post in practically every thread but from where I'm standing I see an equal number on both sides of any argument--certainly not predominantly in the zealot camp as this blog seems to be saying.

What this article is attempting to highlight is that the fanboys are zealously attacking everything with anything negative to say about the title, not just 'haters'. People are pretty good about recognizing when someone is just spewing hate in a forum post, and then completely disregarding that person.

The fanboys, however, just attack everybody. She's saying that if you like the game and you see negative criticism you need to stop acting on your passion, stop attacking, stop replying with sarcasm, stop accusing people of being trolls, and discuss the issue calmly and rationally. A lot of fans of the game here on this forum are capable of doing that, but way too many here have that knee jerk response to try to swoop in as the white knight and skewer the evil naysayer with their lance of justice.

If it's a troll post, report it and move on. If it's a reasonable complaint, stop being a douche about it.

  Coated

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8/29/12 11:13:43 AM#74

The reason everyone thinks GW2 is so good, is because its predecessors were so bad. Just go down the list of MMO's that were released before GW2 launch. (This does not include MMO's released 5 years ago, which includes WOW. The time gap seperates these ideas)

Or better yet, just think of those big name MMO's we all thought were going to be amazing wow killers, yet ended up being nothing or exactly the same.

 

SWTOR - Terribad.

RIFT - It was a remake of WOW.

FF14 - Terribad.

Secret World - Just Ok.

Tera - Asian MMO (need I say more?)

 

Anyways, the List can go on and on. The point I'm trying to make, is that GW2 is riding on the terribleness of the games before it. GW2 is not a ground breaking MMO. It isn't even close. Right now though, people have two options. You can go back and play WOW, or you can play GW2. There is nothing else. Anyone playing anything else is clinging to antiquated dreams.

Since almost every gamer in the world has played WOW, I'm going to assume a lot will be playing GW2. As for people sitting around and 'waiting' for that ground breaking MMO, you wont see it for many years to come.

  ZeGerman

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8/29/12 11:14:33 AM#75
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by Macecard
Originally posted by ZeGerman
Originally posted by Vivasvan

Saviour of the MMO world? Here we go again. Hype and more hype. 

 

gw2 has nothing new or different. It's actually just a low skill needed pvp game. 

Max out your player in a month and then do what?  There is no endgame in gw2.  Not even a single raid lol. Saviour of the MMO world without even a single end game raid. 

pay to buy your gear. Pay to win model all the way.  Your all on a hype pill due to recent hype on this game. Let the dust  settle, let the hyped emotions settle down and  then see where you are with this game. 

Dynamic events, world pvp. Woooww. The game has no endgame and not even a single raid. 

 

No wonder people are returning back to Everquest. 

 

Im sorry why are raids the only form of end game? Running out into the world exploring and having storys develop arround me isnt end game?  This kinda of logic is what holds the MMO world back, sure GW2 may not be the answer for you.  The answer for you may be to play eq2 and WoW but people like you are what forces everyone else to play the same game cloned a hundred times with new art instead of getting new experiences.

ZeGerman, why you even bothered to reply to this troll post is beyond me. You doing what he wants you to do. This troll hasn't even tried to use correct information in this troll post. Just ignore ppl who can't even be bothered to read the article before commenting (did you read the first paragraph? cos this troll did not)

Typical poster, can't stand criticism of a game you like so you try to play the troll card.  Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone is in love with this game and he did say exactly why he was disappointed with the game,  It does not have an end game that suited him.   It is just more of the same, granted done in a very fun way, but then again SWTOR was very fun initially too.  Not having a sub fee will help it much more than SWTOR though.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are a troll, perhaps people whining about criticism are the trolls?

 

I think he is a troll but your point is true that not everyone who dislikes something is a troll i just question why end game can only mean raids.  End game just means content at the end of the game. There are lower level raids in most MMORPGS so why is that not just more of the same?  Orr is an end game structure continual battle much like a raid except you dont have to que or find groups for in GW2 so why do haters always say it has no end game.  GW2 is about the destruction of groups so raids just dont make sense doesnt mean that they dont have an equivalent.  This doesnt even consider that PvP is just another form of end game.  You can dislike that form all you want but that doesn't mean it doesnt exist and that it isnt legitamate end game content.

  Dauzqul

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8/29/12 11:18:52 AM#76
Originally posted by Lavec
Originally posted by mmoDAD

The problem with The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 is this: I'm being told what to do and where to go...

 

I don't have any control of my destiny. Sometimes I want to shift the engine in neutral and just hang out. I want to plant a house, start a player city, attack rival cities, experience deep crafting, and start a player shop.

I can't do any of this in these Theme Park games.

 

ArcheAge, IMO, looks to be the sustainer of MMOs. We'll see, though.

Your opinion is very valid and clearly GW2 is not the game for you but I do wonder why you and many others feel compelled to comment like this. Imagine I said, the problem with a VW Golf is that it doesn't have 4WD and I can't take it off-road - it would be a pretty stupid statement because it's not what a Golf is designed for. At least you are not being rude and insulting in your comments. I hope ArcheAge is the game for you.

Most mention this type thing because that's how MMOs used to be made. World of Warcraft is a solid game. However, it's constant linear drive was just too much for me. The problem is that every single MMO that has come out since then is no different than WoW.

I want a good blend of Theme Park and Sandbox. It has not been done yet.

 

It sucks to imagine how good Star Wars: The Old Republic could've been if it included loads and loads of social content, e.g., player cities, world housing, gigantic worlds, etc.

  Lobotomist

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I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

8/29/12 11:23:01 AM#77

Problem, many naysayers and cautionist can not understand is that GW2 can not fail.

I bought the game - NC Soft is now obliged to keep server live so i can play it.

As far as I am concerned - if i am only player playing GW2 in the world. And if I enjoy the game. Than the game didnt fail.

And what some dude on internet says or thinks is completely irellevant to me.

 

That is the magic of B2P

 

 

 

 

  Kezzadrix

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8/29/12 11:24:16 AM#78
To say that Guild Wars 2 is the savior of MMOs is to say that the MMO market is currently dieing and many wouldn't agree. For arguement sake though, lets say it is..  Is Guild Wars 2 the savior of MMOs?  No.  There won't ever be a single savior for MMOs.  There are way too many varying opinions of what makes an MMO great and no one game will ever please everyone or even most people.  I am sure GW2 will please many, many people.  It has a large fanbase and that's good for them.  However, there are still many, like myself, who are not interested in anything GW2 has to offer.
  otacu

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8/29/12 11:24:55 AM#79
I noticed that "mmorpg savior" is mostly used by people who don't like GW2 in a denigratory and ironic way.
  UNH0LYEV1L

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8/29/12 11:28:32 AM#80

I agree with the column very much.  GW2 has produced an insanely high amount of hype such that if you post any criticism of the game you get pretty much trolled and flammed instantly.  The game has quite a few radical aspects that make the game arcade like and more casual which just isnt what many players are looking for in an MMORPG.


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