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  Wookieebob

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8/28/12 1:35:54 PM#101
Originally posted by dirtyd77

Why can't we just be happy that we have games to play and leave it at that.

 

 

  Creslin321

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OP  8/28/12 1:37:04 PM#102

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

I didn't include any 10's in my list for the same reason that I didn't include any 6's or 7's...THEY ARE NOT UNREASONABLE SCORES.  If someone gives GW2 a 6 and cites things like gold/gem exchange, server issues, etc. as reasons, then I would have no problem with it.

But 4 and below however are absolutely RIDICULOUS scores for this game and that's why I pointed them out.

Also, I'm just going to call it right now that the critic score for this game will probably be in the 90's...either that or high upper 80's.  Why am I sure of this?  Because almost every quasi-decent MMORPG gets mid-80's, and GW2 is IMO the best MMORPG to come out since WoW.  So once again...a 10 is not completely out of the question for this game.

I know many folks here will be upset by my post, and call me a fanboi.  But seriously whatever.  I know for a fact that anything below a 4 is ridiculous for this game, and I wanted to point it out.  

I said basically the same thing for SWTOR, and I didn't even like that game.  I still realized that it deserved way more than below a 4 though.

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  Creslin321

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OP  8/28/12 1:38:08 PM#103
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by BadSpock

I am saying that the do not discount each other out.

If the game is badly received by the community or people are pissed off/angry, many more will come to metacritic and rate a game a 0.

If the game is well received and people are happy/excited, many more will come to metacritic and rate a game a 10.

They do not balance each other out, if the game has more 10's than it has 0's by a significant margin, in means there are more fans and less haters which means the game was better received by the gaming community at large.

Each individual "review" doesn't matter - in fact best to ignore the dumb stuff most people write - but the average score is still important.

Obviously not an exact science - more people are likely to rate a game worse if they dislike it than there are people who are likely to rate a game if they enoy it.

But at the same time, if people are really hyped about a game or are "defending" their game/community than you may see things go the other way.

It's all funny numbers, but the POINT is that you can see/feel out trends.

 I agree with your second portion but really your first post really didn't make a lot of sense. It does give you a feel for the community and the overall sentiment towards the game. It doesn't work the way you countered though. There are more than simply the extremes which is why it makes no sense to say if they discounted each other the average would be a 5.

Sorry my first post was a bit confusing.

I just kept seeing people say that "All the 0's and all the 10's discount/cancel out each other" which is 100% false.

Only if there are the exact same number of 10's and 0's and no other ratings other than 10's and 0's, which simply doesn't happen.

So I postulate that all the 10's and 0's help give a sense of how generally well received a game is or not.

Actually... (0+10)/2 = 5...which is far less than the current mean 8.2.  So you need about FIVE tens to discount one zero.

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  Wickedjelly

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8/28/12 1:39:24 PM#104
Originally posted by Creslin321

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

Lol...wow

Okay man, good luck with this thread now.

/popcorn

I'll say one thing. Least you're being honest.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Wizardry

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Posts: 6352

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

8/28/12 1:41:15 PM#105

People should realize game scores are ONLY to each individual.I have not seen one yet by any website or gamer that dwells into the core of how a score SHOULD be drawn out.

You need to break down EFFORT in EVERY category.Of course  to do that you NEED to understand what the heck you are looking at and understand game design and most or all of it's components.

When i see MANY MANY threads talking about games,i see nothing that relates to fact,just what YOU perceive the game to be.I am also guilty as i don't really like to start typing all the proff,it would take pages and pages in one post alone.

Basically there is two different scores,the VALUE to each individual that cannot be argued or discussed becuase it is the value to THEM nobody else.

Then there is the TRUE factual score based on what the developer did,could do both effort wise and technically.If you do not understand game design then obviosuly your score would be meaningless here.

I am not even going to say what i think of GW2,but i do understand almsot every single aspect of game design,so i do know what i am looking at.

I can say this about A-Net.They have done the most misleading marketing job i have ever seen a developer do.I know it is their job but imo they went overboard in excuses and claiming they did everything for the players "Fanbois game"  "Best Artists" ect ect.

 

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  Deto123

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8/28/12 1:41:33 PM#106
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by Creslin321

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

Lol...wow

Okay man, good luck with this thread now.

/popcorn

I'll say one thing. Least you're being honest.

God thats funny as hell. A 10 really. You jump over bad scores the say it s a 10, ugh.

  bcbully

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8/28/12 1:42:47 PM#107
Well you guys shouldn't have pissed so many people off bashing other games. :p
  Clocksimus

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8/28/12 1:43:06 PM#108
Originally posted by Creslin321

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

 A 10 is just as rdiciulous as a 0. 10/10, 100%, flawless. GW2 is a computer program and therefore impossible by its very nature to be perfect. I also agree with Badspock about the 10's and 0's not cancelling each other out as I'm almost certain there  are a lot more 10's than 0's as the majority are hyped about this game and haters are in  the much lesser numbers.

People that want to do nothing but WvWvW can't even do so because of excessively long queue times yet the game is perfect.  GW2 isn't a 0 but it isn't a 10 either.  Both statements would be ridiculous.  If i'm not mistake did you not even start your OP by saying GW2 isn't perfect?

  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

8/28/12 1:44:37 PM#109


Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by lizardbones   That doesn't even make sense. The Metacritic user score is an average of all the scores, so if only two people voted, one a 10 and one a 0, the user score would be an average between the two. That's part of the definition of the user score. The problem isn't with Metacritic, the problem is with how people are trying to use it. It's not an indicator of how much each individual likes the game, it's an indicator of what percentage of people fall into the "Like It", "Hate It" or "Do Not Care" categories. With the current Metacritic user ratings, out of every 100 people who try the game, you can expect 71 to like it, 8 to be iffy about it (really, that's a not like it) and 20 people to dislike it. And that's it.  
Ah yeah...you essentially said the same thing I was saying just in a longer paragraph. That was my whole point is that the extremes do not equate the average. Hence why they're the extremes.

Oy vey

Do they effect the score? Of course...but they are minimal compared to those that actually give some credence to their review in most cases and fall somewhere in between.




Gotcher. Thanks for the clarification.

The percentages have changed a little. Out of every 100 people you can expect 79 to like it, 6 to feel ambivalent (not like it) and 15 to not like it. No idea what the margin of error is. Probably huge.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Nikkita

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8/28/12 1:45:34 PM#110
Originally posted by Creslin321

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

I didn't include any 10's in my list for the same reason that I didn't include any 6's or 7's...THEY ARE NOT UNREASONABLE SCORES.  If someone gives GW2 a 6 and cites things like gold/gem exchange, server issues, etc. as reasons, then I would have no problem with it.

But 4 and below however are absolutely RIDICULOUS scores for this game and that's why I pointed them out.

Also, I'm just going to call it right now that the critic score for this game will probably be in the 90's...either that or high upper 80's.  Why am I sure of this?  Because almost every quasi-decent MMORPG gets mid-80's, and GW2 is IMO the best MMORPG to come out since WoW.  So once again...a 10 is not completely out of the question for this game.

I know many folks here will be upset by my post, and call me a fanboi.  But seriously whatever.  I know for a fact that anything below a 4 is ridiculous for this game, and I wanted to point it out.  

I said basically the same thing for SWTOR, and I didn't even like that game.  I still realized that it deserved way more than below a 4 though.

Come oon now dude. Saying it is ok to give 10/10 just shows that you are biased and there was no prudent thinking behind your outburst while makig the OP. You are angry and frustrated and not thinking clearly. 

Saying that GW2 is 10/10 means it is flawless and perfect which is as ridiculous as saying GW2 is 1/10. But you are right this is a circus and you are part of it. 

 


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  lizardbones

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8/28/12 1:49:29 PM#111


Originally posted by Creslin321
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But 4 and below however are absolutely RIDICULOUS scores for this game and that's why I pointed them out.

<snip>




It's an opinion poll...there are no ridiculous scores. It doesn't even matter why those being polled give for their scores. Opinions are like that. They can look ridiculous to those people who don't have the same opinion.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  xenogias

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8/28/12 1:50:24 PM#112
Originally posted by Anubisan

I love how people use metacritic to prove why a game they dislike sucks, and then turn around and discredit it when their favorite game is being criticized on the very same site. Seems a tad hypocritical don't you think?

You know... despite the rabid fanboyism around here, some people actually don't like GW2. Shocking, I know.

Then there are the smarter gamers who never use metacritic or even go to it. Metacritic is a joke.

No game, not even the beloved GW2 deserves a 10/10. No game is perfect and every game can be improved on. On the flip side no working game should ever get a 0/10.  A 1/10 should be given to games that simply work and thats the best thing you can say about it. Once you throw out the idiots who give games 10/10 or 0/10 you still have the idiots like the guy who says its only a "good game" and gives it a 3/10.

 

PS. The real metacritic scores are just as big of a joke. They use a poor system to gather thier data for scores.

  Eir_S

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8/28/12 1:54:24 PM#113
Criticizing the game is one thing, but I laughed at the one guy who gave the game a 2 and spent a page's worth of bitterness talking about SWTOR and how it deserved to get better ratings.  Clearly not a biased review!  :p
  dynamicipftw

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8/28/12 1:56:12 PM#114
What about those who ignore the problems and the obvious flaws and give 10/10? are they metageniouses?
  Creslin321

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OP  8/28/12 1:59:26 PM#115
Originally posted by xenogias
Originally posted by Anubisan

I love how people use metacritic to prove why a game they dislike sucks, and then turn around and discredit it when their favorite game is being criticized on the very same site. Seems a tad hypocritical don't you think?

You know... despite the rabid fanboyism around here, some people actually don't like GW2. Shocking, I know.

Then there are the smarter gamers who never use metacritic or even go to it. Metacritic is a joke.

No game, not even the beloved GW2 deserves a 10/10. No game is perfect and every game can be improved on. On the flip side no working game should ever get a 0/10.  A 1/10 should be given to games that simply work and thats the best thing you can say about it. Once you throw out the idiots who give games 10/10 or 0/10 you still have the idiots like the guy who says its only a "good game" and gives it a 3/10.

 

PS. The real metacritic scores are just as big of a joke. They use a poor system to gather thier data for scores.

I agree.

A <4/10 is a ridiculous score for GW2 just like it is a ridiculous score for SWTOR, TSW, WoW, rift, or almost any other MMORPG.  I didn't post this because I'm a rabid gw2 fanboy, I posted it because those scores are ridiculous and their reasoning for giving them is ridiculous. I just thought it was funny.

A 10/10, while high, is FAR less ridiculous than a <4/10.  If people had given a 10/10 to duke nukem forever, then that would beridiculous.

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  GamerUntouch

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8/28/12 2:00:02 PM#116

I don't understand those who insist GW2's graphics are superior to TOR. I heartily disagree.

 

Sorry, I can admit that GW2 doesn't have the best graphics, but SWTOR was abysmal, even worse than GW1 really.

 

  Creslin321

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OP  8/28/12 2:00:20 PM#117
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by Creslin321

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

I didn't include any 10's in my list for the same reason that I didn't include any 6's or 7's...THEY ARE NOT UNREASONABLE SCORES.  If someone gives GW2 a 6 and cites things like gold/gem exchange, server issues, etc. as reasons, then I would have no problem with it.

But 4 and below however are absolutely RIDICULOUS scores for this game and that's why I pointed them out.

Also, I'm just going to call it right now that the critic score for this game will probably be in the 90's...either that or high upper 80's.  Why am I sure of this?  Because almost every quasi-decent MMORPG gets mid-80's, and GW2 is IMO the best MMORPG to come out since WoW.  So once again...a 10 is not completely out of the question for this game.

I know many folks here will be upset by my post, and call me a fanboi.  But seriously whatever.  I know for a fact that anything below a 4 is ridiculous for this game, and I wanted to point it out.  

I said basically the same thing for SWTOR, and I didn't even like that game.  I still realized that it deserved way more than below a 4 though.

Come oon now dude. Saying it is ok to give 10/10 just shows that you are biased and there was no prudent thinking behind your outburst while makig the OP. You are angry and frustrated and not thinking clearly. 

Saying that GW2 is 10/10 means it is flawless and perfect which is as ridiculous as saying GW2 is 1/10. But you are right this is a circus and you are part of it. 

 

Really? The you're just angry and emotional defense?  Are you married :)?

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

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8/28/12 2:00:28 PM#118
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by Deto123
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Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

9.36/10 on mmorpg.com... crushing any game released since WoW (and possibly even WoW, I wasn't reading this website back then I think).

'nuff said.

Hype, not ratings....

Ratings now.

Lol, how many people hit 10 10 10 10 10 10 , just because they can. These rating things are flat out stupid on the high and the low end.

And how many haters hit the minimal scores everywhere just because they can?

Both type of scoring are same... meaningless and worthless, so why single out only one side?

Read Spock's post just below yours, and try to understand what he said...

  xenogias

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8/28/12 2:04:26 PM#119
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by Creslin321

Wow what a circus lol.  If you guys want to know why I didn't include any 10's in my "ridiculous reviews list" it's because a 10 really is not that out of the question for this game.  Sorry, but it's true.  The average USER score on metacritic now is 8.2/10.  Now...what do you think is more standard deviations away from that?  0?  Or 10?  Simple math.

I didn't include any 10's in my list for the same reason that I didn't include any 6's or 7's...THEY ARE NOT UNREASONABLE SCORES.  If someone gives GW2 a 6 and cites things like gold/gem exchange, server issues, etc. as reasons, then I would have no problem with it.

But 4 and below however are absolutely RIDICULOUS scores for this game and that's why I pointed them out.

Also, I'm just going to call it right now that the critic score for this game will probably be in the 90's...either that or high upper 80's.  Why am I sure of this?  Because almost every quasi-decent MMORPG gets mid-80's, and GW2 is IMO the best MMORPG to come out since WoW.  So once again...a 10 is not completely out of the question for this game.

I know many folks here will be upset by my post, and call me a fanboi.  But seriously whatever.  I know for a fact that anything below a 4 is ridiculous for this game, and I wanted to point it out.  

I said basically the same thing for SWTOR, and I didn't even like that game.  I still realized that it deserved way more than below a 4 though.

Come oon now dude. Saying it is ok to give 10/10 just shows that you are biased and there was no prudent thinking behind your outburst while makig the OP. You are angry and frustrated and not thinking clearly. 

Saying that GW2 is 10/10 means it is flawless and perfect which is as ridiculous as saying GW2 is 1/10. But you are right this is a circus and you are part of it. 

 

This. If in a person who LOVES gw2 is reviewing it right now honestly lets list the nocks against it. Bugs. It has alot of them. I havent personally been hit by them but go look at thier official twitter feed. Thats just login bugs/character creation bugs. The auction house simply hasnt worked since the first day of headstart. People are having issues with guilds to the point where they cant even invite people. See Kripparrian for that issue. Preformance issues. The game is poorly optimised. It works great for me except in large WvW pvp but I have a pretty beast system to.

Thats just bugs/issues I know of. Then there is major balance issues, broken crafting exp (google gw2 cooking exp). Certain recipes seem to give you the "discovered" exp every time you make it. Not sure if its a bug or not but I am assuming it is. I've run into a few issues with class quests as far as difficulty goes. Maybe I sucked but one in paticular I dodged all of the "major" skills and while being leveled down I still got raped since it was 2 elite mobs at once that hit pretty damn hard for a clothy.

 

My point being, me, as someone who is REALLY enjoying thier time with GW2 can see a ton of issues with it right now. If I had to give it a score based on the state of the game today I would have to give it a 6/10.  Even based off potential I would still only give it an 8/10 though I would be nitpicking on personal opinion stuff.

 

TLDR: I completely agree that both 0/10 and 10/10 scores are silly and should be ignored.

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8/28/12 2:05:17 PM#120
Originally posted by Creslin321

So I was reading some user review on metacritic, and I basically relearned why user reviews are generally completely unreliable.  I know that GW2 has some flaws...but just look at some of these quotes from negative reviews:

"Unfortunately this is about the same as Guild Wars 1 so not exactly sequel-worthy." 2/10

"The overflow system is a disgrace. PvE is ripped from Warhammer," 2/10

"It's supposed to be the second coming of Jesus Christ in gaming history. Instead we are left with a game, that tries to do innovative stuff, but unfortunately fail miserably. Once you're past all that shine and glimmer, you'll see the game for what it is: A good RPG. Nothing more, nothing less." 3/10 (a good RPG gets 3/10...really?)

"Mediocer graphics, buggy gameplay, server congestion, how can you seriously give this piece of cr** a good grade?" 0/10

"10/10 ? no game is worth 10/10 unless you're a fanboi, specially one with so many basic problems.. It's tries so much, taking the best bits of other games and molding them together but only manages to totally drop the ball. Same old generic fantasy world thats been seen countless times, cutesy WoWlite graphic's that while not bad scream childish." 0/10 

Really?

I would love to know  what ratings and comments those same people gave SWTOR at launch just for balance :) feel free to pm me the link to the site if you don't want to post this request here but it would be fascinating to see if they gave SWTOR's launch, a game who's code didn't even match their final beta's code, flying colors or even D3 for that matter. Would love to know.

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