Originally posted by aesperus

If I was to believe the OP, then I would also have to believe that games like TF2, LoL, and GW1 are also all steaming piles of crap.

The reasons just don't make sense. Structured PvP is basically arena based pvp (and is not the only pvp in this game). It's meant to feel like a game, and it's meant to allow players to stay in it for as much (or as little) as they want. All of these criticisms can be applied to games like TF2, but it's still basically someone saying a thing is bad, because it doesn't fit their personal preference. I get it if it's not your cup of tea, but to say something sucks (and is awful), because of the mechanics inherent to the type of game you're playing, is a bit absurd. It would be like someone saying a specific RTS game is awful, because you are randomly joined up with different players. (while most MMOs have faction based pvp, the ones that don't function in a very similar fashion)

- As for the performance issues. Hard to say if it's genuine or not. We have no idea what type of system your running, if it's a unique scenario of some back-end software conflicting, or what. However, to most players, the game is running smooth as butter in most cases. There has been lag, especially in the starting areas, but that's not exactly unexpected.

Unfortunately its true the statements themselves make no sense.  Until, that is, you read between the lines.

The full statment needs to add in "This is an MMORPG and I am a rat stuck in the random rewards skinner box and anything that deviates from that does not give me the addictive fix I need so it sucks." in order to make real sense.  Afterall MMRPG are not designed to have inherently fun gameplay so you need to spice it up with some addictive gambling based reward system with an infinite power curve.

TF2 people arguing with WoW people about PvP is like a cocaine addict arguing with a heroine addict about which drug is better.  And when you mix the two you get speedball and that just kills anyone addicted to that.

Originally posted by kol56

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by kol56

In my opinion, the game is too dumbed down, it's a button mashing zergfest, there are no goals, it's pvping for the sake of pvping, like a Call of Duty or Halo FPS match.

 

Maybe it's good as a second MMO, just to have 15 minutes of mindless fun every now and then.

That's what sPvP is designed for. Arena based PvP IS PvPing for the sake of PvPing. The goal is to be better than your opponent. That's it!

If you want goal-oriented PvP, that's where WvW comes in.

I was talking about WwW, zergfests against random no named players, it's too shallow.

 

And it was supposed to be the best thing about GW2.

Mass pvp is fun for about 5 minutes to anyone with a brain. After that the zerging is just annoying. Bad news is that Arenanet decided to base their entire game around it. lol.

Well...

I'll reply on behalf of the coherent  (and a bit less edgy) guild wars 2 fans.

In my opinion, this is what makes Guild Wars 2 PVP different for me:

1. I have played Thief, Mesmer, Necro and Elementalist so far and the one thing that seperates Guild Wars 2 from the rest is how all the classes have multiple viable specs for PVP. I have been able to succesfully create a build out of my imagination, change my playstyle to accomodate said new build and VOILA, different class within a class!  Everytime you switch a weapon combination, you get a bar of new skills, its wonderful!

2. The dodging... I know games like DDO, Dragon Nest, Raiderz etc have all implemented this style of gameplay, but in Guild Wars 2 it is very, VERY fluid. If I see a fireball scorching towards me, I can simply double tap a direction and BAM, I see "Evade"... SKILLS matter.

3. It's a team based game, REALLY. All of the professions have their own shoes to fill in a "team fight" (Think League of Legends.) Sure it's a bit more spammy, but you can precisely and carefully time attacks together for devastating combination attacks. There are strategic points in all the maps (Minus the first one during the tournaments.. I can't remember the name.. Basically the only map without a turret/trebuchet etc.)

4. The downed state seems like a burden at first but it has really grown on me, and I really enjoy it now. Sure, it's different, but it does not mean it's bad once you know what to do when you're downed.

ex: You keep attacking the guy that just downed you, he's almost dead. You're guardian friend next to you stuns your assailant while he is trying to stomp you and because of that stun, you manage to get him downed as well. BAM, RALLY! Back up and ready to go!

Not only that but a TEAM really means something in tournaments and battlegrounds. I have played in tournament games with 4 of my "real life" friends during our little LAN we had for the head start weekend and it was amazing. Being able to coordinate everything, we did really well and managed to snag wins. One of my friends (We were really inebriated at this point) even called out: "THIS IS LIKE LEAGUE, BUT FOR REAL" during one of our tournament matches "buff steal".

All in all, the game is fun and it is different but at the same time familiar. The market that ArenaNet intended to hit was indeed hit square on the head. If you give it some time and patience, and perhaps even play some premade games with 4 of your close gamer friends, you'll find yourself having a blast.

I know that it is frustrating to play with random players.. And that is one thing that I wish ArenaNet would improve on.. Being able to queue with my friends into a server without having a chance of getting split up. It would be nice not to be forced into tournaments to guarentee that we all play together.

Sorry for the long post heh...

TL:DR = The PVP is different from most MMO's, but it does have familiar (if not borrowed) aspects from other games so that it can attract a specific client. If you are one of the players that does not enjoy the game, maybe it just isn't for you.

Cheers!

EDIT: Oh... and ITS FUN!!! That's why you keep playing. Not because of incentives or rewards or grinds or dailies.. I play video games to have a great time and this game promotes just that!

-Matt

QQ'ing about the following 2 damn DAYS into a pre-launch head start tells us all we need to know abotut he OP.

Lag

Class Balance

Did I read that right, did he say the word "Tanks"? someone should remind him GW2 is the game that broke the Holy Tinity...and Is it the game's fault that the people you're fighting have bought into the wisdom that in battle, you have to be alive if you want to deal damage, and you have not? Maybe...and here's the part where your pancake will surely start making like an X-games athlete and FLIP...but maybe, just maybe you're not as good at the PvP as you think you are, and this is fueling your rage? nah, couldn't possibly be that...

I for one am having a blast playing the game. You can feel free to re-up your sub to whatever game you feel gives you the best  chance to look good. 

Originally posted by Mephster
Standard pvp in GW2 is nothing more than mini Alliance Battles from the original game. Not impressed at all. 

You are on crack. It plays nothing like Alliance battles other than the fact that NPCs defend areas. It has siege weapons, the maps aren't all cicular, there are PvE and PvP objectives, there is the ability to camp the opposing side's area for extra rewards, etc. 

GW fanboi and not so pleased with PvP and PvE is decent nothing super amazing. 

Feel that the weapon swapping is clunky at times

WvWvW gets boring super fast. (bad enough trying to get 10 players to use strategy)

Voice acting on some races are.... well no sam elliot

Crafting to find new items through experimenting seemed awesome then after doing it for while not very unique imo.

Dodge mechanic while very nice and fun gets old real fast, specially with having to play this game with right mouse button taped down.

Exploring was fun for a bit with the vistas and skill points, but that also got boring really fast.

All in All decent game but maybe i'm just getting too old or maybe just played too many other mmo's but it all feels same anymore.

Release date!!!!!

The hype train is starting to derail..... Its going tocrash soon...!!!

Originally posted by kol56

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by kol56

In my opinion, the game is too dumbed down, it's a button mashing zergfest, there are no goals, it's pvping for the sake of pvping, like a Call of Duty or Halo FPS match.

 

Maybe it's good as a second MMO, just to have 15 minutes of mindless fun every now and then.

That's what sPvP is designed for. Arena based PvP IS PvPing for the sake of PvPing. The goal is to be better than your opponent. That's it!

If you want goal-oriented PvP, that's where WvW comes in.

I was talking about WwW, zergfests against random no named players, it's too shallow.

 

And it was supposed to be the best thing about GW2.

Massive battles are ALWAYS zergfests. :) Then again, while it's hard to make a difference on your own but several competent players together CAN make a difference. Team up with your friends and pick your own fights. Or try to become a leader who can organize randoms. This is not an easy task but should you succeed it'll earn you quite some reconition.

And actually it's a good thing you can't see the names in WvW. Names are just too distracting. Because there ARE objectives in WvW and you should work towards completing them.

Originally posted by Pelagato

Release date!!!!!

 

The hype train is starting to derail..... Its going tocrash soon...!!!

So you are you still mad that (insert game name) failed to meet your expectations. And now you stalk GW2 forums desperately hoping that GW2 will be just as disappointing for its fans as (insert game name) was for you.

Maybe it's time to stop for a moment and find something better to do?

Originally posted by wowfan1996

So you are you still mad that (insert game name) failed to meet your expectations. And now you stalk GW2 forums desperately hoping that GW2 will be just as disappointing for its fans as (insert game name) was for you.

Maybe it's time to stop for a moment and find something better to do?

Ey. Thats the whole purpose of these forums here. Try to convince other people that everything except your own opinion is sh..!

I agree with the mouse part. Turning does get real sluggish at time when hold right click, as in it wont turn...

That's about all though.

Originally posted by gildarbuc

Bad

-The pvp runs heavy.  I have a very high end machine with a 15 meg connection and my mouse feels like it weighs 5 lbs

Check your computer, it runs perfect on mine.

- Dont download anything while you are playing

- Check drivers

- change computer

-As in most games the class balance is way off.  Tanks with heals are almost not worth trying to kill one on one.  They do more dmg than they should.

 - Ahh....thats why they call tanks?

- pick off glass cannons first?

-The game rolls from one instance into another and you stay with that group until players leave and new players enter in their place.  It feels like a huge treadmill and the instances start to run together.  If you hate a particular instance you are stuck dropping and coming into another group to avoid it.

- What else do you want? Back to lobby and find another group each time you done? Haters gonna hate I guess.

-the game slows down in fights because of the lag and it frames a LOT more than it should.  Not bad but too much.

- Again check your drivers and upgrade your graphic card.

-there does not seem to be ANY reason to pvp other than to kill other players and get pvp exp.  With that exp you get chests of gear that will twink you a bit.  I am only lvl 10 pvp so I don't know how much the gear elevates your toon at later levels.  Certain classes just suck so read up so your not rolling that class.

- You new to mmo? Define pvp please? It is player vs player correct? What OTHER reasons do you want?

-you change teams so your fighting a guy one instance and when you roll to the next one he is on your team.  I don't like that at all.  I want a bad guy to go after each run.

Dont understand what you trying to say.

-I was up at 3 am to start pvping on Sat morning and on Monday night I have no desire to play the game.  That is about as fast as that has ever happened.

- Then uninstall the game and request a refund if you dont like it.

-the graphics are not that great.  Rift and SWTOR have better graphics and better pvp.

 - lol, trolling is so obious, SWTOR? WTF....SWTOR has the WORST pvp in history of mmo.

I have NOT done global pvp.  All i have done are instances.  If this were a subscription game I would have canceled it already.  There are MUCH better pvp games out there.  This isn't a bad game it just isn't good. I will keep playing it and hoping I find some pvp that is  fun to play.  I waited a LONG time for this game and it is not living up to the hype.  My buddies are saying the same things.  One is already back in Rift.

- Then go back to Rift, no one is stopping you.

-

 

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Originally posted by Urko

Originally posted by Emerwyn

Guild Wars 2 isn't even "PvP". All you can do is play a copy of WoW's Wintergrasp endlessly where nobody ever wins or loses, just for the sake of it. There's no open world PvP, no arenas, no battlegrounds, nothing. Just that one nosense zergfest. 

 

Disappointing, to put it nicely.

You obviously havent played it , yes there is battlegrounds.

Nope, there aren't. There is Wintergrasp-wannabe (yeah, GW2 is so innovating) and the old GW1 system (more innovation!).

Definitely groundbreaking game.

Btw, what's the Auction House ETA? I heard it'll be enabled the same day that everyone stops having 1k ping.

I have not a high end pc  (it was a high end pc 5 years ago.. now its not) and i run the game at max setting with no problems at pvp, everything runs smooth.

This takes 2 of your points away.

Originally posted by Onigod

I have not a high end pc  (it was a high end pc 5 years ago.. now its not) and i run the game at max setting with no problems at pvp, everything runs smooth.

 

This takes 2 of your points away.

No it doesn't. Why do people keep using that argument? Just because it works for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone else. Each hardware is unique, and a high end computer could be struggling for a whole bunch of reasons, while a mid range computer does fine.

But this goes both ways, just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it is a pile of crap for everyone else.

For example I ran the guild wars 2 beta ok'ish with an 4 year old computer, with everything on medium more or less. But a friend of mine struggled with a pretty new computer.

But it's pretty clear from reading on this, and other forums, that a loooot of people are stuggling performance wise. Maybe not a lot percentage wise, but I see many complaints. Do you really believe that it's their fault? God why.

i think that the "no trinity" thing is going to back fire on GW2.

all you get now is 30 people all dpsing. there is no structure, no roles, no diversity....everyone just jumps on 1 guy and tries to burn him down. since there are no true healers nobody can try to save that 1 guy that is getting focused. besically the team that burns down quicker wins.

there is also almost no incetive to try a different class. why should i  when i can already do it all on my current class? there is no different way to play, there are no different roles to try,  there is just wearing different armor and having different animations/spells/skill.....but they all do the same thing....dps and some heals.

the game looks nice, it's kind of fun, but i just dont know about longevity here. at least i dont have to pay every time i want to come back anc see what's new and different.

Originally posted by Emerwyn

Originally posted by Urko

Originally posted by Emerwyn

Guild Wars 2 isn't even "PvP". All you can do is play a copy of WoW's Wintergrasp endlessly where nobody ever wins or loses, just for the sake of it. There's no open world PvP, no arenas, no battlegrounds, nothing. Just that one nosense zergfest. 

 

Disappointing, to put it nicely.

You obviously havent played it , yes there is battlegrounds.

Nope, there aren't. There is Wintergrasp-wannabe (yeah, GW2 is so innovating) and the old GW1 system (more innovation!).

 

Definitely groundbreaking game.

 

Btw, what's the Auction House ETA? I heard it'll be enabled the same day that everyone stops having 1k ping.

Maybe no one told you ever but the first and most basic rule of an argument is, the first one to use hyperbole has lost

Originally posted by muthax

Originally posted by Emerwyn

Originally posted by Urko

Originally posted by Emerwyn

Guild Wars 2 isn't even "PvP". All you can do is play a copy of WoW's Wintergrasp endlessly where nobody ever wins or loses, just for the sake of it. There's no open world PvP, no arenas, no battlegrounds, nothing. Just that one nosense zergfest. 

 

Disappointing, to put it nicely.

You obviously havent played it , yes there is battlegrounds.

Nope, there aren't. There is Wintergrasp-wannabe (yeah, GW2 is so innovating) and the old GW1 system (more innovation!).

 

Definitely groundbreaking game.

 

Btw, what's the Auction House ETA? I heard it'll be enabled the same day that everyone stops having 1k ping.

Maybe no one told you ever but the first and most basic rule of an argument is, the first one to use hyperbole has lost

And Muthax is back to save GW2 again...you cannot have any opinion other then his or he will enlighten you to his all knowing knowledge of the GW2 his almighty savior game.