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General Discussion  » So, at least is it better than SWTOR?

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  Belgue

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Joined: 9/04/05
Posts: 42

8/28/12 7:43:54 AM#21

Guild Wars2 is much, much better than SWTOR (played for 3months). 

 

On SWTOR I knew by the second day that the game was a big failure, on the other hand GW2 surprises me every turn. Last night I join in an event that turn out to be a small raid with 20~players fighting underwater in a series of tunnels that led to a big boss fight. I was amazed.

  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
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8/28/12 7:45:29 AM#22
Yes its better than Swtor

As is tsw

And no doubt tera, but I've not played it.

You would be hard pressed to make a mmo worse than swtor though imo.
  Caldrin

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8/28/12 7:47:58 AM#23

Not very hard to make a game better than SWTOR... LOL

 

SAying that GW2 is nothing special, its your average themepark MMORPG witha few additions.. Its improves on other themepark MMORPGs I guess but nto by huge leaps..

There are some major issues the main ones being the utterly boring heart quests.. im ont gonna go into those on another post hehe..

 

World pvp is fun but can take quite some time to get into.. due to the massive q's..

 

Yup so its better than SWTOR

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  Fadedbomb

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8/28/12 7:49:17 AM#24
Originally posted by noncley
That was the last 'Game of the Decade' which turned out to be a bust? How is GW2 shaping up so far? Does it live up to the hype?

To be fair, Al Gore is better than SWTOR, but that's like comparing AIDs to feces being smeared on your car. Anything is better than AIDs my friend.

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  Jjix

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Joined: 2/16/12
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8/28/12 8:22:49 AM#25
Originally posted by lizardbones

It's kind of the inverse of SWToR. The personal story seems to be a minor part of the game, and the world story is a major part of the game. Also, the world story doesn't suck.

More of GW2's game is 'good' compared to SWToR. What I mean is that 80% of GW2's game is really, while 50% of SWToR's game was really good. I used real numbers, but you can insert your own numbers there. The important part is that GW2's % of good game is higher than SWToR's % of good game.

Now, SWToR's class story lines weren't just good, they were great. It wasn't enough though. That percentage of bad game was too high for the class story to overcome.

 

I hear what you are saying. GW2 is the inverse of SWTOR, and understanding that really helps us to contrast the two games as representatives of certain design philosophies. In my opinion, you can't separate the "game" from the design philosophy. It doesn't make sense, to my mind, to say that swtor had great story but poor "game" because the philosophy that directed every choice they made in designing that game was that the story was the key to a truly successful MMO, the lead developers said as much.

 

When you design a game with "story first" as your philosophy, it means that the game is essentially going to be designed around the solo player, which is inherently at odds with the spirit of MMORPGs, that is why the game sucked. Yeah, you can point to lack of PvP or lack of grouping or lack of end game . . . but that is because those things don't have any story attached to them so the design philosophy neglected them. The problem with swtor, and many games before it, is that they seem to believe that players only think they want a MMO, but what they really want is a experience like Mass Effect only with other players around that they can chat with. On the other hand, GW2 feels like a true MMORPG to me, the first time I've felt this way since pre-WoW days.

 

 

 

  StarI

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Joined: 1/18/06
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8/28/12 8:59:15 AM#26

In my book GW2's only real advantage over SWTOR is no sub. That's exactly why I bought it. And the only reason why I bought SWTOR was SW universe which I wanted to live through.

I never expected more than themepark and I knew exactly what game I'm going into when I started SWTOR. I enjoyed the 2 months I played it and was happy with it. That enjoyment I had is comparable to GW2 and enjoyment I am having right now.  I'm talking mostly about PvE as themepark PvP kinda doesn't entertain me much longer than PvE. So PvE in GW2 is as far as I can see about the same deal as WoW, SWTOR, TERA, TSW.. you name it...

 

And PvP...

In WvW (well half of WvW is PvE to be completely honest)  it's either instant action Zerg vs Zerg usualy found at one of main/centered keeps or roaming for small group/solo PvP. I ate so much of this in WAR I almost still feel inflated thus it mostly  falls under same old.

Not to mention themepark ruleset which doesn't help much.

Than there's PvP in mysts (spvp). No need to waste words. Same old battlegrounds.

 

To make a conclusion, right now as GW2 stands in terms of content it won't become a new WoW, more like a new SWTOR. As I said the one big difference is absence of a sub. Meaning people will return back much more often, creating bigger overall  community, especialy via the tournaments.

 

And that is good. And the game is not bad no.

Just that long term for me are games like Darkfall (AV sucks), EvE, etc..

 

  SimonVDH

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Joined: 3/02/12
Posts: 172

8/28/12 9:16:17 AM#27
Originally posted by Krytycal
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Krytycal
GW2 is not F2P, it's actually more like Diablo 3. Which brings me to my next point, what do you consider a fail game? IMO Diablo 3 was the biggest fail I've played in the last 5 years easily. 

It still sold well and made Blizzard a lot of money.

Just because something sells well doesn't mean it's good. I'm pretty sure we can all agree the last 10 iterations of the Transformers are not particularly good movies, yet they still sell well, same with McDonalds, etc.

Diablo 3 sold so well due to a combination of massive hype, its predecessors and the fact that it was made by Blizzard. The sales numbers had very little to do with the actual game itself, which most people can agree was a complete fail when it launched.

First: good doesn't mean %^@! The same thing can be great for bilions of people and I may still consider it a total failure. The opinion of those bilions in meaningless for me. You can say something is popular, that it is financially succesful, that it recived favorable reviews, and all of this statements will be facts (either true or false), but saying something is good expresses nothing beside your private opinion

Second: I like McDonalds and you just made me hungry....

  Drolkin

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Joined: 12/07/05
Posts: 255

8/28/12 9:32:31 AM#28

Using the word "free" to make millions of dollars, genius.

Is GW2 better than SWTOR?  What game isn't? 

Does it live up to the "hype"?  No. 

It's fun(so was D3 the first week) but nothing ground-breaking, it's just another game that tried hard to pretty itself up for launch.

 

 

  maskedweasel

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8/28/12 9:45:09 AM#29
I was able to spend 3 months in SWTOR... lets see how long GW2 lasts for me.  

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  Buccaneer

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Joined: 10/31/07
Posts: 433

8/28/12 9:50:47 AM#30
It's only been a few days since the game went live.  Best to wait a few months before comparing GW2 success to any other game.  When SWTOR launched the majority of the posts on this forum was positive towards it.  It's only when people got to endgame and saw how weak it was for the negativity to start.
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