Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Kaelano1
[mod edit]

 

I would NOT agree that the game is garbage but it is certainly designed to remove any challenge or sense of accomplishment besides the foolish Super Mario jumping puzzles.

 

The game has been so streamlined and simplified that it is almost plays itself....   it feels like the target audience are children or adult that don't have time or attention span to play a challenging game.

 

PvP runs well on my machine but it is just blah.  There is no risk, it encourages insta respawn lemmings to keep throwing themselves into the battle after they lost.   Players can't build anything or make anything, just swap towers for an negiligible game buff.

 

PvE is interesting and DE are a good idea just implements poorly.   They are nothing but a Zerg of players steam rolling a simple scripted encounter. 

 

Immersion,  haha.   The game is so child like and hand holding to is tough to get immersed in anything.   

 

Exploration ???   is that what you call walking around small zones with a magic GPS/Radar map ?   Seriously only a blind person couldn't complete the painfuly simple and obvious area discovers.   

 

Meaningful Character development ?   So thats what you call the homogenization of tradtional MMO roles and class until everyclass does everything and you can level up everything in a week of just wandering around while spamming 1-5 ?

 

 

The art is good, the game engine is great, but the game feels like playing with an army of kids rushing around the Mall on a sugar high.   Things like discovering, reading, thinking, exploring as pushed aside for instant gratification and FUN FUN FUN !!!        

 

The game is FUN...no doubt,  but so is eating your weight in cotton candy.  I guess the big thing missing from all the fun is a satisfying challenge.   I am still holding out for a more mature MMO and not another MMO DayCare or the A.D.D kids.

 

 

 

You are a masochist. The game you want doesn't exist and never will, because people want to have fun playing a GAME, not banging their head against a keyboard because of aritificial "challenge" or "risk". 

May I ask what your game of choice would be? EVE?

This is a load of shit. Theres alot of people that want challenge, which beleive it or not is FUN to those people playing a GAME with CHALLENGE. I agree GW2 has some fun to be had, but come on, it s one of the simplist games I ve ever seen, There will be alot of people I suspect, not logging in quite often soon. Maybe I m wrong, but that is my opinion.

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by TheScavenger

I've seen a lot worse PvP, and recently too. Like a sci-fi game...most horrible PvP I've ever seen.

 

GW2 PvP is all about the warzones...like in DAOC

GW2 tries to be like DAOC, but in reality it s not even close. I played DAOC from release to recent, so i would think I would know. In DAOC, with a group of good players you could fight off many times your numbers, in GW2 no chance. It was a good try, but, nope it s not close to DAOC.

Maybe you just aren't good? 

Being max level in DaoC and pvping is the same as being level 20 and pvping yeah? I'm sure you are a master of your class.

How does anything I said have to be with being good or not. If you re talking about Thid, then yes it s kinda like DAOC. If you re talking about level 50, no it s not, except concept.

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Kaelano1
I agree the game is garbage.

 

I would NOT agree that the game is garbage but it is certainly designed to remove any challenge or sense of accomplishment besides the foolish Super Mario jumping puzzles.

 

The game has been so streamlined and simplified that it is almost plays itself....   it feels like the target audience are children or adult that don't have time or attention span to play a challenging game.

 

PvP runs well on my machine but it is just blah.  There is no risk, it encourages insta respawn lemmings to keep throwing themselves into the battle after they lost.   Players can't build anything or make anything, just swap towers for an negiligible game buff.

 

PvE is interesting and DE are a good idea just implements poorly.   They are nothing but a Zerg of players steam rolling a simple scripted encounter. 

 

Immersion,  haha.   The game is so child like and hand holding to is tough to get immersed in anything.   

 

Exploration ???   is that what you call walking around small zones with a magic GPS/Radar map ?   Seriously only a blind person couldn't complete the painfuly simple and obvious area discovers.   

 

Meaningful Character development ?   So thats what you call the homogenization of tradtional MMO roles and class until everyclass does everything and you can level up everything in a week of just wandering around while spamming 1-5 ?

 

 

The art is good, the game engine is great, but the game feels like playing with an army of kids rushing around the Mall on a sugar high.   Things like discovering, reading, thinking, exploring as pushed aside for instant gratification and FUN FUN FUN !!!        

 

The game is FUN...no doubt,  but so is eating your weight in cotton candy.  I guess the big thing missing from all the fun is a satisfying challenge.   I am still holding out for a more mature MMO and not another MMO DayCare or the A.D.D kids.

 

 

 

You are a masochist. The game you want doesn't exist and never will, because people want to have fun playing a GAME, not banging their head against a keyboard because of aritificial "challenge" or "risk". 

May I ask what your game of choice would be? EVE?

This is a load of shit. Theres alot of people that want challenge, which beleive it or not is FUN to those people playing a GAME with CHALLENGE. I agree GW2 has some fun to be had, but come on, it s one of the simplist games I ve ever seen, There will be alot of people I suspect, not logging in quite often soon. Maybe I m wrong, but that is my opinion.

Can you name a game with this "challenge" you speak of? I sure haven't found it. Is running around searching for quest givers a challenge? Waiting for others to complete tasks or fighting them for said items/spawns? Are these challenges? 

Everyone that always says this, can never actually explain what they mean. I don't think they even know.

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by TheScavenger

I've seen a lot worse PvP, and recently too. Like a sci-fi game...most horrible PvP I've ever seen.

 

GW2 PvP is all about the warzones...like in DAOC

GW2 tries to be like DAOC, but in reality it s not even close. I played DAOC from release to recent, so i would think I would know. In DAOC, with a group of good players you could fight off many times your numbers, in GW2 no chance. It was a good try, but, nope it s not close to DAOC.

GW2 is GW2 not DAoC.

It has some elements of DAoC but is not DAoC.

Don't worry tho, Mythic has mentioned not long ago about considering making DAoC2.

I think GW2 is great and if they are looking at DAoC2 then this game will be worth playing till it comes out.

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Kaelano1
[mod edit]

 

I would NOT agree that the game is garbage but it is certainly designed to remove any challenge or sense of accomplishment besides the foolish Super Mario jumping puzzles.

 

The game has been so streamlined and simplified that it is almost plays itself....   it feels like the target audience are children or adult that don't have time or attention span to play a challenging game.

 

PvP runs well on my machine but it is just blah.  There is no risk, it encourages insta respawn lemmings to keep throwing themselves into the battle after they lost.   Players can't build anything or make anything, just swap towers for an negiligible game buff.

 

PvE is interesting and DE are a good idea just implements poorly.   They are nothing but a Zerg of players steam rolling a simple scripted encounter. 

 

Immersion,  haha.   The game is so child like and hand holding to is tough to get immersed in anything.   

 

Exploration ???   is that what you call walking around small zones with a magic GPS/Radar map ?   Seriously only a blind person couldn't complete the painfuly simple and obvious area discovers.   

 

Meaningful Character development ?   So thats what you call the homogenization of tradtional MMO roles and class until everyclass does everything and you can level up everything in a week of just wandering around while spamming 1-5 ?

 

 

The art is good, the game engine is great, but the game feels like playing with an army of kids rushing around the Mall on a sugar high.   Things like discovering, reading, thinking, exploring as pushed aside for instant gratification and FUN FUN FUN !!!        

 

The game is FUN...no doubt,  but so is eating your weight in cotton candy.  I guess the big thing missing from all the fun is a satisfying challenge.   I am still holding out for a more mature MMO and not another MMO DayCare or the A.D.D kids.

 

 

 

You are a masochist. The game you want doesn't exist and never will, because people want to have fun playing a GAME, not banging their head against a keyboard because of aritificial "challenge" or "risk". 

May I ask what your game of choice would be? EVE?

This is a load of shit. Theres alot of people that want challenge, which beleive it or not is FUN to those people playing a GAME with CHALLENGE. I agree GW2 has some fun to be had, but come on, it s one of the simplist games I ve ever seen, There will be alot of people I suspect, not logging in quite often soon. Maybe I m wrong, but that is my opinion.

Can you name a game with this "challenge" you speak of? I sure haven't found it. Is running around searching for quest givers a challenge? Waiting for others to complete tasks or fighting them for said items/spawns? Are these challenges? 

 

Everyone that always says this, can never actually explain what they mean. I don't think they even know.

One of my favorite games of all time, FFXI, had alot of challenge, too much to go into. Just for fun is fine for some people, but alot of people like challenge, like, exploring without a mini map telling you where to go, a circle on yur mini map telling you to go there and stop 2 swords from getting to a shield, etc etc.

It's the best PvP I've seen in an MMORPG in a while. /shrug

Maybe you are just struggling to adapt. It did take me some time to adapt.

Not sure if its the worst, but people really over hype a game, especially gw2, not sure really what the awsomeness is?, really feels like i played this type of game for the past 10 years.

Dunno, I feel a real challenge when alot of people need a good strategy to kill an insane boss, not running around like a chicken with its head cut off  spamming the keyboard like a crazy person.....ya, awsome pvp

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Kaelano1
[mod edit]

 

I would NOT agree that the game is garbage but it is certainly designed to remove any challenge or sense of accomplishment besides the foolish Super Mario jumping puzzles.

 

The game has been so streamlined and simplified that it is almost plays itself....   it feels like the target audience are children or adult that don't have time or attention span to play a challenging game.

 

PvP runs well on my machine but it is just blah.  There is no risk, it encourages insta respawn lemmings to keep throwing themselves into the battle after they lost.   Players can't build anything or make anything, just swap towers for an negiligible game buff.

 

PvE is interesting and DE are a good idea just implements poorly.   They are nothing but a Zerg of players steam rolling a simple scripted encounter. 

 

Immersion,  haha.   The game is so child like and hand holding to is tough to get immersed in anything.   

 

Exploration ???   is that what you call walking around small zones with a magic GPS/Radar map ?   Seriously only a blind person couldn't complete the painfuly simple and obvious area discovers.   

 

Meaningful Character development ?   So thats what you call the homogenization of tradtional MMO roles and class until everyclass does everything and you can level up everything in a week of just wandering around while spamming 1-5 ?

 

 

The art is good, the game engine is great, but the game feels like playing with an army of kids rushing around the Mall on a sugar high.   Things like discovering, reading, thinking, exploring as pushed aside for instant gratification and FUN FUN FUN !!!        

 

The game is FUN...no doubt,  but so is eating your weight in cotton candy.  I guess the big thing missing from all the fun is a satisfying challenge.   I am still holding out for a more mature MMO and not another MMO DayCare or the A.D.D kids.

 

 

 

You are a masochist. The game you want doesn't exist and never will, because people want to have fun playing a GAME, not banging their head against a keyboard because of aritificial "challenge" or "risk". 

May I ask what your game of choice would be? EVE?

This is a load of shit. Theres alot of people that want challenge, which beleive it or not is FUN to those people playing a GAME with CHALLENGE. I agree GW2 has some fun to be had, but come on, it s one of the simplist games I ve ever seen, There will be alot of people I suspect, not logging in quite often soon. Maybe I m wrong, but that is my opinion.

Can you name a game with this "challenge" you speak of? I sure haven't found it. Is running around searching for quest givers a challenge? Waiting for others to complete tasks or fighting them for said items/spawns? Are these challenges? 

 

Everyone that always says this, can never actually explain what they mean. I don't think they even know.

One of my favorite games of all time, FFXI, had alot of challenge, too much to go into. Just for fun is fine for some people, but alot of people like challenge, like, exploring without a mini map telling you where to go, a circle on yur mini map telling you to go there and stop 2 swords from getting to a shield, etc etc.

Then you should be looking into the upcoming sandboxes that are coming out, instead of GW2 which was advertised as a no-grind 'just for fun' kind of game.

Originally posted by gildarbuc

Here is a short pvp review

Good

-You can pvp from lvl one

-You roll a lvl 80 toon and have at it.  This makes it so much easier than to grind a toon to 80 to find out that class sux in pvp.

-instances are easy to get into for now and the ques are instant.

 

Bad

-The pvp runs heavy.  I have a very high end machine with a 15 meg connection and my mouse feels like it weighs 5 lbs

-As in most games the class balance is way off.  Tanks with heals are almost not worth trying to kill one on one.  They do more dmg than they should.

-The game rolls from one instance into another and you stay with that group until players leave and new players enter in their place.  It feels like a huge treadmill and the instances start to run together.  If you hate a particular instance you are stuck dropping and coming into another group to avoid it.

-the game slows down in fights because of the lag and it frames a LOT more than it should.  Not bad but too much.

-there does not seem to be ANY reason to pvp other than to kill other players and get pvp exp.  With that exp you get chests of gear that will twink you a bit.  I am only lvl 10 pvp so I don't know how much the gear elevates your toon at later levels.  Certain classes just suck so read up so your not rolling that class.

-you change teams so your fighting a guy one instance and when you roll to the next one he is on your team.  I don't like that at all.  I want a bad guy to go after each run.

-I was up at 3 am to start pvping on Sat morning and on Monday night I have no desire to play the game.  That is about as fast as that has ever happened.

-the graphics are not that great.  Rift and SWTOR have better graphics and better pvp.

 

I have NOT done global pvp.  All i have done are instances.  If this were a subscription game I would have canceled it already.  There are MUCH better pvp games out there.  This isn't a bad game it just isn't good. I will keep playing it and hoping I find some pvp that is  fun to play.  I waited a LONG time for this game and it is not living up to the hype.  My buddies are saying the same things.  One is already back in Rift.

-

 

Turn your mouse sensitivity up. And dont tell me you have. Sure on the highest speeds its not fast enough for some but its far from a 5lb weight.

As far as the rest of the post goes everyone is entitled to thier opinion. But dont expect many here to think you have anything intelligent to say when you say SWTOR and Rifts PvP is better. You will just get laughed at.

Originally posted by vardar
Not sure if its the worst, but people really over hype a game, especially gw2, not sure really what the awsomeness is?, really feels like i played this type of game for the past 10 years.

Then you havent played it. I'm not saying GW2 is OMGFLASHYNEWSTUFF like some. But to say its no diffrent than any game in the last 10 years just smells of a troll post or someone talking out there ass having never played it before. Like GW2 or not who cares. Dont try and tell anyone who has played it that its the same though. My buddy HATES the game. He uninstalled it saturday evening. But even he admits its "diffrent". It just wasnt diffrent enough for him.

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Jeff7477

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Kaelano1
[mod edit]

 

I would NOT agree that the game is garbage but it is certainly designed to remove any challenge or sense of accomplishment besides the foolish Super Mario jumping puzzles.

 

The game has been so streamlined and simplified that it is almost plays itself....   it feels like the target audience are children or adult that don't have time or attention span to play a challenging game.

 

PvP runs well on my machine but it is just blah.  There is no risk, it encourages insta respawn lemmings to keep throwing themselves into the battle after they lost.   Players can't build anything or make anything, just swap towers for an negiligible game buff.

 

PvE is interesting and DE are a good idea just implements poorly.   They are nothing but a Zerg of players steam rolling a simple scripted encounter. 

 

Immersion,  haha.   The game is so child like and hand holding to is tough to get immersed in anything.   

 

Exploration ???   is that what you call walking around small zones with a magic GPS/Radar map ?   Seriously only a blind person couldn't complete the painfuly simple and obvious area discovers.   

 

Meaningful Character development ?   So thats what you call the homogenization of tradtional MMO roles and class until everyclass does everything and you can level up everything in a week of just wandering around while spamming 1-5 ?

 

 

The art is good, the game engine is great, but the game feels like playing with an army of kids rushing around the Mall on a sugar high.   Things like discovering, reading, thinking, exploring as pushed aside for instant gratification and FUN FUN FUN !!!        

 

The game is FUN...no doubt,  but so is eating your weight in cotton candy.  I guess the big thing missing from all the fun is a satisfying challenge.   I am still holding out for a more mature MMO and not another MMO DayCare or the A.D.D kids.

 

 

 

You are a masochist. The game you want doesn't exist and never will, because people want to have fun playing a GAME, not banging their head against a keyboard because of aritificial "challenge" or "risk". 

May I ask what your game of choice would be? EVE?

This is a load of shit. Theres alot of people that want challenge, which beleive it or not is FUN to those people playing a GAME with CHALLENGE. I agree GW2 has some fun to be had, but come on, it s one of the simplist games I ve ever seen, There will be alot of people I suspect, not logging in quite often soon. Maybe I m wrong, but that is my opinion.

Can you name a game with this "challenge" you speak of? I sure haven't found it. Is running around searching for quest givers a challenge? Waiting for others to complete tasks or fighting them for said items/spawns? Are these challenges? 

 

Everyone that always says this, can never actually explain what they mean. I don't think they even know.

One of my favorite games of all time, FFXI, had alot of challenge, too much to go into. Just for fun is fine for some people, but alot of people like challenge, like, exploring without a mini map telling you where to go, a circle on yur mini map telling you to go there and stop 2 swords from getting to a shield, etc etc.

Then you should be looking into the upcoming sandboxes that are coming out, instead of GW2 which was advertised as a no-grind 'just for fun' kind of game.

$60.00, not a big deal if I play 30-40 hours

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by vardar
Not sure if its the worst, but people really over hype a game, especially gw2, not sure really what the awsomeness is?, really feels like i played this type of game for the past 10 years.

Then you havent played it. I'm not saying GW2 is OMGFLASHYNEWSTUFF like some. But to say its no diffrent than any game in the last 10 years just smells of a troll post or someone talking out there ass having never played it before. Like GW2 or not who cares. Dont try and tell anyone who has played it that its the same though. My buddy HATES the game. He uninstalled it saturday evening. But even he admits its "diffrent". It just wasnt diffrent enough for him.

GW2 doesn't offer me anything different than any other game out there already. He isn't trolling, it really isn't anything different from what we have already played. 

Either way he wasn't forcing fact down anyones throat, it was an opinion. I also share his opinion.

Originally posted by vardar
Not sure if its the worst, but people really over hype a game, especially gw2, not sure really what the awsomeness is?, really feels like i played this type of game for the past 10 years.

If youve been playing MMOs... then yeah you have. Youre still playing with a keyboard, mouse, and similar mechanics. If it were different, it wouldnt be an MMORPG, it would be something else like an MMOFPS. Nobody ever said theyre reinventing the entire genre and breaking everything that made MMORPGS what they have been. Its just presented in a slightly different way and with some tweaks to combat and class mechanics.

As for the OP... really? So you dont like the way the instanced pvp is set up, but you continue doing just that and admittedly havent even tried The Mists? What would you have them do with the instanced pvp, make you sit around waiting for awhile before the next round/map starts instead of just rotating through the maps after each fight is done? Should they also leave teams unbalanced after people from 1 team quit just because you want to keep fighting the same guy?

Then you havent played it. I'm not saying GW2 is OMGFLASHYNEWSTUFF like some. But to say its no diffrent than any game in the last 10 years just smells of a troll post or someone talking out there ass having never played it before. Like GW2 or not who cares. Dont try and tell anyone who has played it that its the same though. My buddy HATES the game. He uninstalled it saturday evening. But even he admits its "diffrent". It just wasnt diffrent enough for him.

Diiferent? How is it so different? Omg  so they make a game that gear means little, wow, what a game changer,

 it is the same as any other game, only gamers that have been playing for a long time can see that, unlike yourself, the pepsi generation gamer..

OP , i dont know what your smokin, but the PvP is a lot better than SWTOR AND even matches WoWs.

The graphics on high make SWTOR and WoW quite frankly inferior.

Your "test" at PvP id say was unsatisfactory because of your bandwidth/ISP or your settings were too high.

I only have a 10 meg line btw and PvP is smooth.

Quite frankly GW2 takes the best bits of Lotro, Warhammer Online and WoW and makes a game thats a pleasure to play.

i dunno maybe I'm crazy but looks and plays great to me

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Originally posted by Emerwyn

Guild Wars 2 isn't even "PvP". All you can do is play a copy of WoW's Wintergrasp endlessly where nobody ever wins or loses, just for the sake of it. There's no open world PvP, no arenas, no battlegrounds, nothing. Just that one nosense zergfest. 

 

Disappointing, to put it nicely.

You obviously havent played it , yes there is battlegrounds.