Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Jonoku

Originally posted by Nikkita

You know there are enough players in this world to keep all these games going? people who love sc fi and SW IP have no interest in GW2.

   I love scifi and somewhat like SW IP and have interest in GW2. I don't even like fantasy or the lore but I like the game itself of it's content and what it has. Your statement isnt entirely true because its kinda sterotype imo if u ask me. I take the game's content and it's ability of freedom over the genre/IP. I can care less. I'm not even a gw2 lore fan but I enjoy the game. I don't like fantasy in fact almost hate it, I enjoy GW2.

Question though if somone released a good Sci Fi would you play it.

SWG2.0 ya, the thing is in my view, what i see, gw2 is the only mmo that I enjoy the most so far. basically i dont see any other mmo right now but GW2. thats because not many mmos have what GW2 has.

Originally posted by Rayshe
I really think this is my point. Those who were unsatisfied with SWTOR left already, They gave up and played something else. The people still Playing SWTOR are playing it because they want to keep playing in the Sci Fi World rather than a fantasy. you have already left the Sci Fi prior to the release of GW2. so i can now enforce the idea. the people who left SWTOR for other games have already done so. BW wont feel the release of GW2 at all because the players still playing SWTOR, have no interest in it. people who were unsatisfied with SWTOR left it a long time ago.

You have a good point. 10/10. :D No sarcasm either, I'm not one to disrespect peoples points.

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Jonoku

Originally posted by Nikkita

You know there are enough players in this world to keep all these games going? people who love sc fi and SW IP have no interest in GW2.

   I love scifi and somewhat like SW IP and have interest in GW2. I don't even like fantasy or the lore but I like the game itself of it's content and what it has. Your statement isnt entirely true because its kinda sterotype imo if u ask me. I take the game's content and it's ability of freedom over the genre/IP. I can care less. I'm not even a gw2 lore fan but I enjoy the game. I don't like fantasy in fact almost hate it, I enjoy GW2.

Question though if somone released a good Sci Fi would you play it.

The important word in that sentence is the qualifier adjective "good".

Good trumps all. Genre, lore, IP.

Do you really think there are no sci-fi fans playing WoW?  Do you think there are more people playing WoW who don't know LOTRO's lore better then WoW's?

Do you think there are no players in SWTOR who don't prefer Star Trek's lore over Star Wars and aren't playing Star Trek On Line?

In gaming (this is my own crackpot theory) In MMOs gameplay>genre>IP. So Guild Wars 2 can poach from any and all MMOs.

Just to throw another wrench in your original statement, if the Star Wars IP was so strong, SWG should have by default had an enormous subscription base. It was if not the only sci-fi MMO, the only one with the Star Wars franchise license.

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Originally posted by tiefighter25

In gaming (this is my own crackpot theory) In MMOs gameplay>genre>IP. So Guild Wars 2 can poach from any and all MMOs.

Farther Supports my point.

Originally posted by tiefighter25

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Jonoku

Originally posted by Nikkita

You know there are enough players in this world to keep all these games going? people who love sc fi and SW IP have no interest in GW2.

   I love scifi and somewhat like SW IP and have interest in GW2. I don't even like fantasy or the lore but I like the game itself of it's content and what it has. Your statement isnt entirely true because its kinda sterotype imo if u ask me. I take the game's content and it's ability of freedom over the genre/IP. I can care less. I'm not even a gw2 lore fan but I enjoy the game. I don't like fantasy in fact almost hate it, I enjoy GW2.

Question though if somone released a good Sci Fi would you play it.

The important word in that sentence is the qualifier adjective "good".

Good trumps all. Genre, lore, IP.

Do you really think there are no sci-fi fans playing WoW?  Do you think there are more people playing WoW who know LOTRO's lore better ot WoW's?

Do you think there are no players in SWTOR who don't prefer Star Trek's lore over Star Wars and aren't playing Star Trek On Line?

In gaming (this is my own crackpot theory) In MMOs gameplay>genre>IP. So Guild Wars 2 can poach from any and all MMOs.

Just to throw another wrench in your original statement, if the Star Wars IP was so strong, SWG should have by default had an enormous subscription base. It was if not the only sci-fi MMO, the only one with the Star Wars franchise license.

I am a HUGE D&D fan.  Loved some of the RP NWN2 servers, read all kinds of FR books, any D&D game instantly has my intrests perked.  However will not touch that abomiiation called DDO with a 100 meter stick, several times my love for D&D tries it out again but that pos game is just so horribad that no matter how hard I try I can't like it and just loathe the game and the company behind it more and more and will never touch that game ever again now.

Originally posted by Souldrainer
SWTOR just had an event last week. The game has turned a profit through CE, headphone, keyboard, mouse, and other merch sales, and their aub numers are over the "profitable" margin. That said, a large number of their fair weather fans have jumped over to Tera and TSW by now... so GW2 probably won't impact SWTOR.

Fair weather fans? Really? Is that the BW-friendly way to refer to those who left the game? I would think customers stop using a product when it no longer meets their needs. There is no loyalty coming from those boneheads who made that garbage game, so reciprocating it seems naive.

I do agree that GW2 won't affect SWTOR much. All of those players quit SWTOR months ago.

Originally posted by Rayshe
I really think this is my point. Those who were unsatisfied with SWTOR left already, They gave up and played something else. The people still Playing SWTOR are playing it because they want to keep playing in the Sci Fi World rather than a fantasy. you have already left the Sci Fi prior to the release of GW2. so i can now enforce the idea. the people who left SWTOR for other games have already done so. BW wont feel the release of GW2 at all because the players still playing SWTOR, have no interest in it. people who were unsatisfied with SWTOR left it a long time ago.

Except for people just killing time in SWTOR for GW2.  Just like how people killed time in Rift while waiting for SWTOR.  Not saying that GW2 is hurting SWTOR only that there are still those that lingured in SWTOR while waiting for GW2.

Originally posted by Aviggin
BioWare EA should be worried about every MMO on the horizon, to be honest. 

I really think that once they go F2P they'll start making some profit.  As F2P the game will do great or at least significantly better and definately become a leading contender in the F2P MMOs.  It's just not a P2P worthy game.  However this all falls upon whether or not they get the backing and support the need from BW/EA which I think they'd be fools not to.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

 

 

OK... every statment released by BW states profits + over 500k subs. I have seen your threads about your suspicions, and you're welcome to have them.. but you didn't post anything concrete, whereas EA has done so. If you're going to talk numbers and refute EA, this is again welcome, very much so... but please do add things up. The CE price didn't drop until the game announced ftp is coming... just one example of how speculation can steer things off course if numbers and proof aren't there... So believe what you will, but if you want to convince me, it will take more than what you've posted on this forum.

Let me start of by saying that you are very polite and civil. I find this comendable.

As to me convincing you that SWTOR isn't profitable, with all the evidence already out there, if you still believe that SWTOR is profitable, and therefore a marginal success, I don't really think I could convince you otherwise.

To a certain extent, I fear that EA is planning on capitalizing on the stalwart loyalty of those like you. As an outsider looking in it is ugly. The problem is that by calling it ugly, I can see how I easily look like the bad guy.

From my point of view, EA decided in April to use your subscription to pay for a conversion to FTP. Furthermore, they are going to double dip you on any future content releases. Some of that content they are going to charge you for had been intentionally witheld from you as they seek to change their payment model. Stuff who's development you have paid for is going to be now "monetized" so despite paying for it's creation, you will now have to pay to participate in it. I find this a breaking of some sort of MMO covenant I guess.

I may seem like a Debbie-Downer, doom and gloom; but I think that EA is purposely maligning the P2P payment model, and will now do the same to the FTP model. Ther FTP model just doesn't make sense. The only way they are going to take in any decent ammount of money (in my mind to minimize loss, in your mind to maximize profits) is to in essence, milk their loyal fanbase of players such as yourself.

I could expound further but this is already getting tl;dr.

I'll make a new thread soon looking for analysis from everyone at SWTOR's FTP monetezation plan.

Again, I hope I'm wrong and respect that you enjoy the game. I do also agree that we are probably going to disagree about a lot of aspects of SWTOR, especially the version of the game you will be seeing in November.

PS-I should point out that I do think that EA is worse then malignant, it's incompetent malignant.

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by Aviggin
BioWare EA should be worried about every MMO on the horizon, to be honest. 

I really think that once they go F2P they'll start making some profit.  As F2P the game will do great or at least significantly better and definately become a leading contender in the F2P MMOs.  It's just not a P2P worthy game.  However this all falls upon whether or not they get the backing and support the need from BW/EA which I think they'd be fools not to.

Yeah, can't get any worse, that's for sure.

I logged into Rift today. It's not SWTOR, but the example is the same.

Anyway, I said hi to more than 30 plus guild members online. Did a few dailys and then saw the Zone Invasion in Shimmersand. So, I ported down there and very quickly into the invasion, it was a full public raid group we had 20 in ours, I cant tell you the number in the other Guardian raid group. I also can't tell you the exact number of Defiants that were in their raid group. but they were there in force.

I saw lots of people in Sanctum doing their business. Etc Etc.

For months and months now, we have all been subjected to this theory or that theory about how GW2 is gonna shut down other mmos.

For years and years we have been subjected to the next big MMO to be released is going to shut down other MMOs.

Come on. To date, how many MMOs have launched and stolen another game's player base to the point of it shutting the older game down? None. At it's peak player base, WoW didn't kill even one other MMO.

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Originally posted by tiefighter25

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Originally posted by Souldrainer

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  OK... every statment released by BW states profits + over 500k subs. I have seen your threads about your suspicions, and you're welcome to have them.. but you didn't post anything concrete, whereas EA has done so. If you're going to talk numbers and refute EA, this is again welcome, very much so... but please do add things up. The CE price didn't drop until the game announced ftp is coming... just one example of how speculation can steer things off course if numbers and proof aren't there... So believe what you will, but if you want to convince me, it will take more than what you've posted on this forum.

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Let me start of by saying that you are very polite and civil. I find this comendable.

As to me convincing you that SWTOR isn't profitable, with all the evidence already out there, if you still believe that SWTOR is profitable, and therefore a marginal success, I don't really think I could convince you otherwise.

To a certain extent, I fear that EA is planning on capitalizing on the stalwart loyalty of those like you. As an outsider looking in it is ugly. The problem is that by calling it ugly, I can see how I easily look like the bad guy.

From my point of view, EA decided in April to use your subscription to pay for a conversion to FTP. Furthermore, they are going to double dip you on any future content releases. Some of that content they are going to charge you for had been intentionally witheld from you as they seek to change their payment model. Stuff who's development you have paid for is going to be now "monetized" so despite paying for it's creation, you will now have to pay to participate in it. I find this a breaking of some sort of MMO covenant I guess.

I may seem like a Debbie-Downer, doom and gloom; but I think that EA is purposely maligning the P2P payment model, and will now do the same to the FTP model. Ther FTP model just doesn't make sense. The only way they are going to take in any decent ammount of money (in my mind to minimize loss, in your mind to maximize profits) is to in essence, milk their loyal fanbase of players such as yourself.

I could expound further but this is already getting tl;dr.

I'll make a new thread soon looking for analysis from everyone at SWTOR's FTP monetezation plan.

Again, I hope I'm wrong and respect that you enjoy the game. I do also agree that we are probably going to disagree about a lot of aspects of SWTOR, especially the version of the game you will be seeing in November.

PS-I should point out that I do think that EA is worse then malignant, it's incompetent malignant.

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This guy is not off his rocker.
This is EXACTLY what Funcom has done to it's Anarchy Online Loyal fan base for years.
The game is all but dead now.

Follow on what's been happening with SWTOR, Bioware and EA since the launch of SWTOR, do you think it's a coincident or really had alot to do with TOR? There has been waves of layoffs, many comments/spins from devs on how excited they are for future patches and changes (oh yeah really, they're excited for TOR to go F2P), many key members of Bioware for years are now gone, and Lucas Arts is taking a good chunk of the profit out from the game.

So they spent $200-500 million, sold 2+ million at launch and subs dropped steadily after the first 30 days, not even 6 months into the game they announced free2play, a few weeks after the first server merge roundup. SWTOR will last another 3-4 years give or take, Bioware originally set TOR on a 10 year plan, it's not going to last that long and it's pretty close to being put into maintenance mode.

I think EA is more worried about making money than being worried about GW2.

SWTOR is dead until it goes F2P in November. The moment I have been waiting for

They are probably going to let WOW and GW2 have their moment, and then by Nov people will probbaly not be playing GW2 or WOW again, so then SWTOR will be more attractive. No point doing much now until Nov