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  Vladriel

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Posts: 48

8/24/12 7:20:15 AM#101
Originally posted by Prenho

The owpvp in MMOs since WoW is just garbage, there is no consequences for pk activity, if tere were a pk system, high level players wouldn't waste their time killing random neutral players, much less low level neutral, because they will become pk, and the risk of being pk is that you can drop your gear it you die in pk state, and also a pk can't enter cities neither talk to npcs. They just kill enemy players(players that belong to clan that are war with their clan) intead ganking random players.

 

Yes you can kill a player that is not war with you, but there will be consequences for you, as a pk you will need to kill tons of monters of your level until you turn to normal state again, and any player can kill you to loot your items.

 

And also there is nothing to fight for, like open bosses or territory, is just red randoms ganking blue randoms over nothing, not organized enemy clans fighting for open world's resources and politics, WoW and its clones stink.

 

So to avoid ganking due to lack of objectives and consequences for open world, they just create instaces for pvp, since BGs-wintergrasp in wow until WxWxW in GW2.

Hum, that pk system you speak of sounds like a game I use to play.. Rohan: The Blood Fued. 

  Vladriel

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Joined: 3/13/10
Posts: 48

8/24/12 7:37:38 AM#102
Originally posted by dave6660

I think the more important question is why do people insist on playing OWPVP games knowing what they're getting into then complain about the ruleset?

Wouldn't it be silly if I played WoW and complained I have to fight computer controlled monsters.

Well since you play wow then you know it isn't just a OWPVP game since it has different servers. I'm on a pve server. What do you mean by ruleset? Players on a pvp server don't follow any rules when they gank.  

  davhut21

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Joined: 6/29/12
Posts: 12

8/24/12 8:25:13 AM#103

I enjoy playing on a PvP server in most games. It is fun not knowing when someone will come along and bring the fight. That being said until somene makes it so you can only attack another player that is within a specific level range of yourself then there will always be iditots camping people in low level areas. These are, a lot of times, the same people that never win fights against players that are their level. Guild Wars 2 does not have factions though so it would not make sense to have the open world PvP. As a single group players are fighting against the evils that are attacking Tyria.

To sum up. Open world PvP not a bad thing until it becomes a gankfest but it has no place in GW2.

  Shadows59

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Joined: 12/09/10
Posts: 47

8/24/12 8:30:27 AM#104
Personally don't like it because it gives idiots the excuse to grief others in t pvp is involved when some idiot thinks that being say 50 levels above and going to a newbie zone is a challenege. I alos like to quest without having to constantly watch over my shoulder for said jackass that just wants to grief me and then camp my body.

  Prenho

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Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

8/24/12 8:48:17 AM#105
Originally posted by Shadows59
Personally don't like it because it gives idiots the excuse to grief others in t pvp is involved when some idiot thinks that being say 50 levels above and going to a newbie zone is a challenege. I alos like to quest without having to constantly watch over my shoulder for said jackass that just wants to grief me and then camp my body.

It happens due to the lack of any rule for pk or clan war, MMOs after WoW can't have any other form of pvp, only instances, because there is ano rules, no objectives and no consequences, it turns the owpvp a random gank fest instead of organized guilds that fight for world resources and power.

  Grixxitt

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Joined: 5/18/12
Posts: 526

8/24/12 8:55:04 AM#106
Originally posted by Caffynated

I don't hate OWPvP. I hate poorly implemented OWPvP.

This x a million. Cool Shadowbane story by the way.

For those of you who aren't aware, consequences for your actions are starting to get implemented for most of the upcoming sandbox/FFA games. Its just a pity its taken this long

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

-The MMO Forum Community

  User Deleted
8/24/12 8:58:50 AM#107
Originally posted by evolver1972
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

When I want to PVP, I PVP. When I don't want to PVP, I don't PVP.

^^This X 10,000

Mouth of Sauron - And who is this? Isildur's heir? It takes more to make a King that a broken Elvish blade...

Aragorn - When i want to PvP ,i PvP,When i Dont want to PvP,i dont PvP

Aragorn logs out

Mouth of Sauron joins dungeon group

 

it is going to be interesting experiment where evey possible way to PvP in any form is removed,only way to PvP is this "when I want" but in reality it is just the opposite "someone else wants to harm you,steal from you or its just an accident or bad luck" 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Prenho

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Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

8/24/12 8:59:47 AM#108
Originally posted by Grixxitt
Originally posted by Caffynated

I don't hate OWPvP. I hate poorly implemented OWPvP.

This x a million. Cool Shadowbane story by the way.

For those of you who aren't aware, consequences for your actions are starting to get implemented for most of the upcoming sandbox/FFA games. Its just a pity its taken this long

It basically summarizes what I say about the poor owpvp in WoW and its clones. Waiting for Lineage Eternal, if LE keeps the same rules for clan war and consequences for pk that Lineage does so well, it will be my next game for the next 10 years.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 17979

8/24/12 3:54:06 PM#109
Originally posted by Parasitenoir

Hey guys - (just to start so no flaming occurs) i will be playing gw2 so I am not a hater.  I just have a more general question.

 

Why is it that people do not like true open world pvp, where you can gank anyone while they are questing etc.  I enjoyed it in wow while it existed (vanilla-slightly BC), Rift was good, and currently gaming in Tera.

Is it the annoyance of being ganked and not being able to defend yourself.  Does it provide to much of a challenge.  Or is our generation just lazy and prefer to sit in a town and just que for stuff.

 

I personally like the OWPVP and being able to mess with someones day while there gathering, questing whatever there doing .

 

what are peoples thoughts on this?

Why would i want to be ganked by anyone when i quest?

I don't play a game for PVP at all. If i want to pvp, i want a e-sport arena. At least it is convenient and fair.

  User Deleted
8/24/12 4:41:26 PM#110
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Why would i want to be ganked by anyone when i quest?

I don't play a game for PVP at all. If i want to pvp, i want a e-sport arena. At least it is convenient and fair.

Lets say you get ganked by kobold when you are questing.

What if other player was controlling that kobold,does it make difference ? NPC which looks like NPC but is not.

 

 

 

  Grixxitt

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/18/12
Posts: 526

8/24/12 4:41:33 PM#111
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Grixxitt
Originally posted by Caffynated

I don't hate OWPvP. I hate poorly implemented OWPvP.

This x a million. Cool Shadowbane story by the way.

For those of you who aren't aware, consequences for your actions are starting to get implemented for most of the upcoming sandbox/FFA games. Its just a pity its taken this long

It basically summarizes what I say about the poor owpvp in WoW and its clones. Waiting for Lineage Eternal, if LE keeps the same rules for clan war and consequences for pk that Lineage does so well, it will be my next game for the next 10 years.

Is Lineage Eternal going to be done by Sung? I havent heard about it to be honest but I've kept up with the ArcheAge news, and there will most definately be repercussions for random PKing in that game

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

-The MMO Forum Community

  Prenho

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

8/24/12 4:45:54 PM#112
Originally posted by Grixxitt
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Grixxitt
Originally posted by Caffynated

I don't hate OWPvP. I hate poorly implemented OWPvP.

This x a million. Cool Shadowbane story by the way.

For those of you who aren't aware, consequences for your actions are starting to get implemented for most of the upcoming sandbox/FFA games. Its just a pity its taken this long

It basically summarizes what I say about the poor owpvp in WoW and its clones. Waiting for Lineage Eternal, if LE keeps the same rules for clan war and consequences for pk that Lineage does so well, it will be my next game for the next 10 years.

Is Lineage Eternal going to be done by Sung? I havent heard about it to be honest but I've kept up with the ArcheAge news, and there will most definately be repercussions for random PKing in that game

Are you saying Jake Song(the creator of Lineage 1)? No he is working in ArcheAge. But what really matters is if Eternal will keep the same esscence of L1(still the 3rd most played MMO in Korea), if it will, it will one of the next kings in east.

  TdogSkal

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Joined: 5/11/06
Posts: 1259

Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants.

8/24/12 4:48:32 PM#113
Originally posted by Parasitenoir

Hey guys - (just to start so no flaming occurs) i will be playing gw2 so I am not a hater.  I just have a more general question.

 

Why is it that people do not like true open world pvp, where you can gank anyone while they are questing etc.  I enjoyed it in wow while it existed (vanilla-slightly BC), Rift was good, and currently gaming in Tera.

Is it the annoyance of being ganked and not being able to defend yourself.  Does it provide to much of a challenge.  Or is our generation just lazy and prefer to sit in a town and just que for stuff.

 

I personally like the OWPVP and being able to mess with someones day while there gathering, questing whatever there doing .

 

what are peoples thoughts on this?

Ganking and Gankers have made it so most do not like OWPvP its that simple.  Most people do not like being killed by a higher level who is bored and roaming a lower level zone for easy PvP kills.  Do not tell me this is rare, it is not.  Ganking is common in OWPVP. 

How did you not already know this answer? Its common sense.

Sooner or Later

  Prenho

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

8/24/12 4:50:42 PM#114
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by Parasitenoir

Hey guys - (just to start so no flaming occurs) i will be playing gw2 so I am not a hater.  I just have a more general question.

 

Why is it that people do not like true open world pvp, where you can gank anyone while they are questing etc.  I enjoyed it in wow while it existed (vanilla-slightly BC), Rift was good, and currently gaming in Tera.

Is it the annoyance of being ganked and not being able to defend yourself.  Does it provide to much of a challenge.  Or is our generation just lazy and prefer to sit in a town and just que for stuff.

 

I personally like the OWPVP and being able to mess with someones day while there gathering, questing whatever there doing .

 

what are peoples thoughts on this?

Ganking and Gankers have made it so most do not like OWPvP its that simple.  Most people do not like being killed by a higher level who is bored and roaming a lower level zone for easy PvP kills.  Do not tell me this is rare, it is not.  Ganking is common in OWPVP. 

How did you not already know this answer? Its common sense.

ganking is common in poor owpvp games(like the shitty owpvp in wow for example), where these is no consequences. a well implemented owpvp game can avoid free low level ganking, because the gankers(pkers) will not want to have to clean tons of karma.

  Grixxitt

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Joined: 5/18/12
Posts: 526

8/24/12 4:52:13 PM#115
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Grixxitt
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Grixxitt
Originally posted by Caffynated

I don't hate OWPvP. I hate poorly implemented OWPvP.

This x a million. Cool Shadowbane story by the way.

For those of you who aren't aware, consequences for your actions are starting to get implemented for most of the upcoming sandbox/FFA games. Its just a pity its taken this long

It basically summarizes what I say about the poor owpvp in WoW and its clones. Waiting for Lineage Eternal, if LE keeps the same rules for clan war and consequences for pk that Lineage does so well, it will be my next game for the next 10 years.

Is Lineage Eternal going to be done by Sung? I havent heard about it to be honest but I've kept up with the ArcheAge news, and there will most definately be repercussions for random PKing in that game

Are you saying Jake Song(the creator of Lineage 1)? No he is working in ArcheAge. But what really matters is if Eternal will keep the same esscence of L1(still the 3rd most played MMO in Korea), if it will, it will one of the next kings in east.

Yup thats right, Sing Sang Song. Played the 2nd one, it had some issues common to the genre but overall a pretty good game.

 

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

-The MMO Forum Community

  TdogSkal

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Joined: 5/11/06
Posts: 1259

Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants.

8/24/12 4:52:32 PM#116
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by Parasitenoir

Hey guys - (just to start so no flaming occurs) i will be playing gw2 so I am not a hater.  I just have a more general question.

 

Why is it that people do not like true open world pvp, where you can gank anyone while they are questing etc.  I enjoyed it in wow while it existed (vanilla-slightly BC), Rift was good, and currently gaming in Tera.

Is it the annoyance of being ganked and not being able to defend yourself.  Does it provide to much of a challenge.  Or is our generation just lazy and prefer to sit in a town and just que for stuff.

 

I personally like the OWPVP and being able to mess with someones day while there gathering, questing whatever there doing .

 

what are peoples thoughts on this?

Ganking and Gankers have made it so most do not like OWPvP its that simple.  Most people do not like being killed by a higher level who is bored and roaming a lower level zone for easy PvP kills.  Do not tell me this is rare, it is not.  Ganking is common in OWPVP. 

How did you not already know this answer? Its common sense.

ganking is common in poor owpvp games, where these is no consequences.

Which covers 99.95% of all games we are talking about.

Sooner or Later

  gaeanprayer

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Joined: 8/06/08
Posts: 2359

8/24/12 4:53:59 PM#117
Originally posted by Parasitenoir

Hey guys - (just to start so no flaming occurs) i will be playing gw2 so I am not a hater.  I just have a more general question.

 

Why is it that people do not like true open world pvp, where you can gank anyone while they are questing etc.  I enjoyed it in wow while it existed (vanilla-slightly BC), Rift was good, and currently gaming in Tera.

Is it the annoyance of being ganked and not being able to defend yourself.  Does it provide to much of a challenge.  Or is our generation just lazy and prefer to sit in a town and just que for stuff.

 

I personally like the OWPVP and being able to mess with someones day while there gathering, questing whatever there doing .

 

what are peoples thoughts on this?

I like when people answer their own questions. Saves so much time.

"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."

  Prenho

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Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

8/24/12 4:54:23 PM#118
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by Parasitenoir

Hey guys - (just to start so no flaming occurs) i will be playing gw2 so I am not a hater.  I just have a more general question.

 

Why is it that people do not like true open world pvp, where you can gank anyone while they are questing etc.  I enjoyed it in wow while it existed (vanilla-slightly BC), Rift was good, and currently gaming in Tera.

Is it the annoyance of being ganked and not being able to defend yourself.  Does it provide to much of a challenge.  Or is our generation just lazy and prefer to sit in a town and just que for stuff.

 

I personally like the OWPVP and being able to mess with someones day while there gathering, questing whatever there doing .

 

what are peoples thoughts on this?

Ganking and Gankers have made it so most do not like OWPvP its that simple.  Most people do not like being killed by a higher level who is bored and roaming a lower level zone for easy PvP kills.  Do not tell me this is rare, it is not.  Ganking is common in OWPVP. 

How did you not already know this answer? Its common sense.

ganking is common in poor owpvp games, where these is no consequences.

Which covers 99.95% of all games we are talking about.

Lineage is an owpvp game and you rarely see low level ganking. because there are consequences for pk. but in crappy games like wow, where there are no consequences, meaningless gank is free.

  Grixxitt

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8/24/12 4:54:25 PM#119

On another note, in OWPVP games you actually have a recourse to deal with griefers, and asshats in general. You just don't have these tools in non-pvp and restricted-pvp games.

IMO griefing is likely more common in your average themepark than your average FFA sandbox, even more so if repercussions have been put in place.

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

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  Loke666

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8/24/12 4:57:03 PM#120
Originally posted by TdogSkal

Ganking and Gankers have made it so most do not like OWPvP its that simple.  Most people do not like being killed by a higher level who is bored and roaming a lower level zone for easy PvP kills.  Do not tell me this is rare, it is not.  Ganking is common in OWPVP. 

How did you not already know this answer? Its common sense.

I think it have at least as much to do with challenges.

For me to kill a noob offer no challenge and is boring, for me as a noob to be killed by a vet there is no challenge either since I die whatever I do.

And the problem with that is that the levelsystem splits up the playerbase into far to many groups to make good challenging PvP possible.

Ganking is common, but a lot of the gankers are as bored of the game as the people getting ganked all the time.

PvPmust be challenging, or it will be like running grey PvP content: a snorefeast. That some sociopaths live to gank is not the biggest problem since the rest of us only gets fun PvP against someone with the same level and similar gear.

Sandboxes usually are leveless and have a lot less focus on gear and lower gap between vets and noobs and that is why they pull it off better even if they can better themselves as well.

The only thing worse than something being way too hard is something being way too easy.

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