First off, I'm not a fan of unrestricted FFA PVP and definitely against full loot without limitations and provisos.

Hence I enjoyed EVE and the way it let me control the amount of risk I was willing to take, or even Shadowbane with its system of protecting your worn gear but making anything in your pack including your gold fair game on death.

I never played DF or MO because the risk of loss is too great, and the odds favor attackers too greatly, leaving it impossible to really control my risk and was no interest to me.

In the case of EVE, the rush came from there being something really on the line to win or lose which some players don't enjoy, but to me it makes MMORPG's more realistic.  One reason I'm not rushing out to play GW2 is there's really nothing to fight for IMO, not even character progression so I don't see the point.  I don't PVP "for fun", only for profit and power.

It's about the risk rush.  EVE has where your ship is lost that makes a fight that much more exciting as adreniline is higher as you know if you lose it's more than just losing a fight.  But this kind of system evolves around a highly player crafting system as that is where you get your gear from. 

And actually I think a full loot system actually encourages more teamwork and commradery as people will band for a common goal.

It's the risk and rush.

If you die and don't lose anything, it doesn't matter, but if you're about to die and have the chance of losing your gear there's adreneline.

Originally posted by Thorbrand
FFA Full Loot isn't the problem it is the games that have the mechanics wrong. Some games got it right but most Sandbox games end up just catered to zerg ganking and the rest of the game is uesless. It have to be balanced like everything else but today's developers just can get it right any longer.

Exactly right. It's the lack of checks and balances that makes FFA FL a problem. Without consequences these types of games only reinforce or encourage sociopathic behaviour.

For a list of sociopathic behaviour look at the link and you'll be surprised how it fits with many FFA FL "hardcore" players arguments.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Iam(sic) trying, and I am trying, no matter what, I just cant find anything positive out of such a thread.

So your basic premise is that because you don't "get it" it should be banished from the mmo genre henceforth? This has to be a troll thread.

Originally posted by GamerUntouch

It's the risk and rush.

 

If you die and don't lose anything, it doesn't matter, but if you're about to die and have the chance of losing your gear there's adreneline.

I been in the situation many times where I was being attacked or chased down by gankers that attack me while gathering/crafting/PvE.

Not once did I have a positive feel to the situation. Only Anger, since there was no way to avoid them, and nothing I could do about it. All my work I grinded for was gone.

Nothing to be excited about. I see no fun in this. You and others keep mentioning this "Rush of Adrenaline"
but still dont see the joy and fun from this. Rush or not, I dont see how this can be fun. Because it simply isnt, unless you have some kind of mental disorder were you feel joy and happiness from your own pain and suffering.
thats the only way I could see something positive out of this FFA/FL rush you speak of.

Why can't people who dislike Free for all pvp, and full loot, just stop talking about it?

You don't like it, that's fine, stop saying it should be gotten rid of, it isn't like all games are free for all with full loot. Hell, most games aren't. There are however a lot of people who like this, not just griefers, but people who want to craft, pve, and do dungeon delving with more risk. Why do you have to say it should go if some of us like it? We'll play our niche games, you play your games, and let it be at that. To continue down a path that says either FFA/FL or Themeparks, or whatever type of game should be gotten rid of, is pure arrogance and ignorance.

Don't walk the same road as the closed minded, respect differences.

FFA Full Loot  simulator v1.0

1.MeGa_TuRbO swings his cursed morningstar ,headshot! critical hit! 999 damage

2.MeGa_TuRbO searches your body,plate mail +1

3.MeGa_TuRbO starts to undress you, it takes 10 minutes (real time) to undress that kind of armor

Bag space and carrying capacity ,i cant think full loot on WoW  /-likes ,since how in the heck someone can even carry that kind of amount of stuff,if someone carries that amount of stuff he should be moving with 0.1% speed and cant fight back,so easy to get items back when robbed.

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by GamerUntouch

It's the risk and rush.

 

If you die and don't lose anything, it doesn't matter, but if you're about to die and have the chance of losing your gear there's adreneline.

I been in the situation many times where I was being attacked or chased down by gankers that attack me while gathering/crafting/PvE.

Not once did I have a positive feel to the situation. Only Anger, since there was no way to avoid them, and nothing I could do about it. All my work I grinded for was gone.

Nothing to be excited about. I see no fun in this. You and others keep mentioning this "Rush of Adrenaline"
but still dont see the joy and fun from this. Rush or not, I dont see how this can be fun. Because it simply isnt, unless you have some kind of mental disorder were you feel joy and happiness from your own pain and suffering.
thats the only way I could see something positive out of this FFA/FL rush you speak of.

Lol. There is always something you can do to prvent being ganked. You just need to step outside the WoW box and think about it.

Originally posted by Grunch

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by GamerUntouch

It's the risk and rush.

 

If you die and don't lose anything, it doesn't matter, but if you're about to die and have the chance of losing your gear there's adreneline.

I been in the situation many times where I was being attacked or chased down by gankers that attack me while gathering/crafting/PvE.

Not once did I have a positive feel to the situation. Only Anger, since there was no way to avoid them, and nothing I could do about it. All my work I grinded for was gone.

Nothing to be excited about. I see no fun in this. You and others keep mentioning this "Rush of Adrenaline"
but still dont see the joy and fun from this. Rush or not, I dont see how this can be fun. Because it simply isnt, unless you have some kind of mental disorder were you feel joy and happiness from your own pain and suffering.
thats the only way I could see something positive out of this FFA/FL rush you speak of.

Lol. There is always something you can do to prvent being ganked. You just need to step outside the WoW box and think about it.

haha +1

Why people like it is because it gives some players the so called "gambler's rush". Not everyone get it, but some do. Some people need to "risk it" in order to enjoy it. Others don't feel it in a video game no matter how high the penalty.

For example, I don't get the gambler's rush when I play a games. Personally I think it is a cheap way to boost an otherwise boring game; look at Blackjack - it is not nearly as fun without the bets as with them.

despite me being the biggest Darkfall fanboi on MMORPG.com I dont like FFA except during warfare between clans.

Running around punking people who really arent intrested in playing with you is rather sad. However if both sides are up for some competition then that is a different story.

I'll always play in those PVP environments when they're offered and always have. For me, having open PVP in a game just adds another dynamic to the gameworld. It makes you pay attention to your surroundings. An otherwise dull expedition to gather materials could very well lead to a heroic battle for survival. That spontaneous element keeps the games fresh for me. When the worlds are familiar, the characters are looking tired and the conventions are thoroughly traversed, an unexpected PVP encounter will still give me that old feeling of excitement.

However, I think your sentiment is one that many of today's gamers feel. I think that the best solution is to have more appropriate consequences for PKing. Whether it is player set bounties, banishment from associated towns, stacking XP decrease on a PK's death or other penalty, there needs to be something that a PK risks when he ganks the guy hauling his ore back from the mine.